Editing User talk:LittleWolf

{{Welcome|LittleWolf|}}

==Award==
Hy LittleWolf, i know you are a new user on sarna.net, i appriciate your great work on the manufacturing centers section, and give you a [[File:RAA.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 1st ribbon]] Award, i install it on your user page.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:20, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

== Substantial Addition Award ==

Good job beefing up the [[Support Vehicle]] article. It has definitely improved with the well-written text and the frequent use of citations. I present you the Editors' Substantial Addition Award.
:[[File:SubAdd.jpg|Substantial Addition Award]]
I'll leave it to you to post on your awards boards. Good job. --[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 21:32, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

==Citatonis==
Hy great [[Clan Cloud Cobra]] update, but please can you add any citations or references, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:33, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

==Images==
Hy i would to say i fix the copyright information on the images you use, [[User: Neuling|Neuling]] uploaded this but don't match our policiy, i correct this issue tomorrow, and we have a great writen article by you and fixed image summary be myself. Good Work LittleWolf i appriciate your work.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 15:06, 28 December 2011 (PST)

==Naval Support Vehicles==
Hello LittleWolf, I wanted to let you know i changed the Categories on the big naval vehicle articles you updated. These vehicles like the Raptor, Luftenburg for example are listed by the rules as Support Vehicles are not Combat Vehicles despite their weaponry. Thank you for fixing up articles! I was rookie editor when i added them to the Sarna didn't so as good as a job when i wrote them. -- Wrangler
:Sorry, just going through articles and thought I might tidy them up, the fact they're technically Support Vessels just slipped my mind.  If there are other changes that need to be reverted please go ahead, otherwise I was just trying to stylistically spruce up the articles.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] 12:51, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

==Hello==
I saw the careful work you've put into the [[Clan Cloud Cobra]] page, and I added to it but didn't really change anything you had done.  It flows quite well and covers everything in the early Golden Century.  If you wanted to continue work on some of the Golden Century stuff with the Clans, that would be great, because Clan Coyote needs help soon.  There are a few associated bios for me to still do for them and their activities so this will be on going.  If not, it's cool too.  Work on any Clan stuff is cool by me.  --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 12:29, 19 April 2012 (PDT)
:Thank you.  And thanks for the additions.  I was thinking of doing a re-write of Clan Coyote sometime soon, in a similar style to the Cloud Cobra page, but these things take quite a bit of work and there is only so much time!  If you get around to starting it before me I'll be happy to add on what I can when I can. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] 12:37, 19 April 2012 (PDT)
::I'll do the [[Manfred Hollifield]] and Horse Khan [[Eric Amirault]] bios then maybe a [[Corian Tchernovkov]] and [[Tobias Khatib]].  That way all the stuff is gathered and research will be easier to do.  Besides, I never know how many more names get dug up by a new bio (like I'll Probably have to do a Coyote Khan Judas Levien page too), and I like to finish the chain naturally, it helps.   And only so much time. And likely more Cobra stuff fighting the Coyotes after Tobias Khatib is executed.  The chain is long and heavy, then I'll get to the many Ravens and Blood Spirits, and then a Mongoose page revamp with all of the facts gathered in the bios to make that a lot easier.   Then find a new chain.   If any point in the chain is interesting, feel free to set info down if time permits it, even if it takes a few weeks or a month or two.  This will be fun. edit: Did i mention probably have to supply the Fire Mandrill bios for founders and Smyhre-Jewels, events with Tchernovkovs and Amirault...   --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 13:14, 19 April 2012 (PDT)
:::I went ahead and subdivided the history section on [[Clan Coyote]].  I think I may finish out all the bios I can for the Coyotes since there is enough info to cover several more of their Khans. I've already added supporting refs to the Khans and saKhans.  If the page looks good to you you could start any section.  I'll hit the Operation Klondike one soon myself, so the early years, Golden Century and Political Century and later stuff can all be added at any time in any order.  Like I said, I'll keep chugging along with bios.  --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 13:35, 21 April 2012 (PDT)
::::Thanks, I'll make a few small changes here and there but probably wont start getting in-depth for a few more days, working on some other content at the moment. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] 11:45, 29 April 2012 (PDT)
:::::Cool!  No problem on adding other content, we all have our roles.  I'm reading up on more stuff at the moment to finish the last few Coyote Khans which might take a little more time, but it will be done soon enough.  This re-worked Coyote page will be a good one. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 14:17, 29 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::Hey LittleWolf, hope all is well on your end of the world.  Anyway, just wanted to ask you if you had [[The Wars of Reaving]] or Golden Century sourcebooks.  Respectively, those are the only eras left to write about (except for the [[Blood Scandal]] during the political century, but that will be easy to do).  Also, we likely will not need the Jihad section since it did not affect the Coyotes or most of the Clans that they deal with on a daily basis.  Just wanted to know what you thought, and also what sections you would like to finish.  --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 14:00, 14 May 2012 (PDT)
:::::::Nope so go ahead and fill in whatever gaps there are, I'll add in parts here and there as I see them.  Thanks. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] 10:41, 17 May 2012 (PDT)
::::::The [[Clan Coyote]] page is good to go! (unless I missed something, which could have happened) If you would like to run through it on a massive copy edit spree, please feel welcome to do so.  I'll get to the [[Clan Cloud Cobra]] Wars of Reaving section soon.  That will be two Clan pages updated.  Clan Star Adder and Clan Steel Viper (the viper page is anemic) need to be next, due to their prominence in the over-all story.   Really, all Clan pages are important, even if they did not survive, but those two should be focused on next.  If you have any suggestions, let me know.  I'll be doing more bios and filling in red links until i feel up to what needs to be done.  Nice workin' with ya.  --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 17:30, 23 May 2012 (PDT)
:::::::Thanks again.  Will get around to giving the Clan pages a do-over as well, but will be splitting my time between that and some other projects too.  I think the general outline of the reedited pages is a pretty good standard for future changes (History-Culture-Military) but I think it can be expanded too i.e. Economy.  I also think the use of sub-titles has been appropriate for periods of great significance and detail as well (ex. Coyote didn't take part in Revival so that section is small vs. Ghost Bear which could use a more in-depth approach at its actions during the Invasion).  But great work on the bios, that's one thing that really needs expansion if anything else. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] 09:46, 31 May 2012 (PDT)
::::::Ghost Bear would be a GREAT challenge.   If you noticed, I have not done a single Bear Bio yet...  I'm saving them for later when I need cool characters to pull me through!  The Bear page and the Viper page would be great targets as they both took part in Revival, and both have very large parts to play in the universe afterward.  At least the Bears get to live to see it.  The Star Adder page simply needs organization and fleshing out by comparison.   The Wolf page (surprisingly) needs some help too...   The Jade Falcon page is pretty good, just some cleanup needed, and the Jaguar page is almost complete too, except for some finishing touches (and a lot of references)...  

::::::...if only time could be created from lack of time.   Slowly but surely these things will come to pass.   Anyway, I agree, the pattern created holds up well to examination, and the subtitling is good too.  Take your time and when you feel ready drop me a line, maybe I'll be ready too.  --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 00:12, 6 June 2012 (PDT)

==Great Output==
Hey LittleWolf.  Covering all of the personal weapons and such was a big job, and you waded in and did that easily.  New Clan stuff is always welcome too.  Your recent additions and corrections to the [[Clan]] page and the [[Clan Steel Viper]] article (among other pages) are likewise encouraging for me to see.  And I remember your help with Clan Coyote, as spoken of at length above.  Please accept this award as a token of your devotion to [[MechWarrior]] and Team Clan, and Sarna editors in general {{Emoticon| :) }}.
[[File:SubAdd 1bol.jpg|Substantial Addition Award, 2nd ribbon]]
--[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 13:52, 28 February 2013 (PST)
:Hey thanks, I'm kinda scattershot in what and when I edit but I appreciate this.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 13:10, 1 March 2013 (PST)

==Broken ref. notes==
Hy, please review your edit on the [[Clan Smoke Jaguar]] and [[Clan Mongoose]] page, there some broken ref. notes, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 09:22, 10 August 2013 (PDT)
:Thanks, had missed that. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 09:30, 10 August 2013 (PDT)
::Nice job on those overhauls, information porting and refinements, by the way. It was needed, and you did well. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 16:58, 11 September 2013 (PDT)
:::Thanks. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 10:35, 14 September 2013 (PDT)

==Weapon Redirects==
Thanks for changing all those; I was unsure of what to do, so I kinda left it as is, even with the weird titles. The infantry/BA weapon pages are just a mess; I tried working on that stuff a while back, but I need to dedicate some time later to sweep through and get it all consistent. Maybe we could work together on that sometime. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 22:19, 4 January 2014 (PST)
:Thanks, I always thought it was a strange format too but didn't want to cut too deeply until the other weapons had been updated somewhat.  Probably the two things that really needs to be worked on is for all of the infantry weapons to also have their CBT stats listed and for all of the Battle Armor weapon pages to be completed (because sure as heck the Small Laser on an Elemental is not the same weapon as the Small Laser on an UrbanMech!), just keep the same naming format going i.e. "Small Laser (Battle Armor)" and then make the necessary changes on the BA articles themselves.  Lot of menial work but it'll get done eventually. *sighs* [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 12:21, 8 January 2014 (PST)
::I don't have the CBT sources to update them with those stats, but I will try and go through the Battle Armor next and make sure the weapons are linked correctly. Oh, also, I noticed that you changed the naming of the [[David Light Gauss Rifle]] page in the infobox to "Gauss Rifle, Light (David)", and I wanted to know what the proper convention would be for those names, as I had thought it was "David Light Gauss Rifle". -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:21, 11 January 2014 (PST)
:::That's the way they're written up in the [[TechManual]] but I don't like it, will probably just change them back.  Will also make Battle Armor versions of the gauss rifle pages, unless you happen to get around to making them first :), then may take a break from the weapons to work on some other stuff before getting back around to entering the CBT info for them. 10:43, 12 January 2014 (PST)
::::Hey, I noticed that you added [[SRM-2 (Battle Armor)]]; I had been changing those in the articles instead to [[SRM Launcher (Battle Armor)]], because of the variation in numbers of missiles in the launcher (from a single shot to 5). I thought that that might work better. What are your thoughts? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 11:10, 19 January 2014 (PST)
:::::Sorry about that, was a bit too focused on things.  I thought it'd best to follow the same format as the heavy weapons with separate pages for the each of the different launch-tube numbers (SRM 2, LRM 10, etc.), since the stats are different from each other (i.e. SRM-2 BA weighs more than SRM-1 BA).  Unless you had a better way of consolidating them into one page while retaining the different stats for each launcher, then by all means edit away at SRM-2 (Battle Armor). [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 11:20, 19 January 2014 (PST)
::::::It's fine that you added that, I'm still unsure how to best go about this. I understand where you are coming from about having the equivalents, but for some (SRM-3, SRM-5) there is no equivalent, so the question would be if you'd really want to make a new page just for a weapon mounted on one or two units. I'll get to this once I finish my current line of thought (moving info from [[Operation Guerrero Unit Deployment Tables]] to planets). I'll be back to discuss shortly. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 11:28, 19 January 2014 (PST)
:::::::I think regardless if there are vehicle equivalents or not each separate weapon system ought to get it's own page, since they do have different stats associated with them.  The lack of some vehicular equivalents only means is we won't have to add (Battle Armor) at the end of SRM-3 (at least until they come out with a vehicle SRM-3 -_- ).  Otherwise a case could be made that the regular SRM-2, SRM-4 and SRM-6 pages ought to be combined into a single page as well, and as I wouldn't know how to go about doing that while retaining the different statistics for each, at least not in a way that would be readable!  As I said though if you do find a way to make a master [[SRM Launcher (Battle Armor)]] page which successfully combines the different launchers under one heading, then by all means. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 11:37, 19 January 2014 (PST)
::::::::Yeah, I understand that reasoning; thanks for being so open and understanding. I'll be over at [[User:BobTheZombie/Sandbox|My Sandbox]] messing with a BA SRM page prototype. Also, I thought that I'd help you by keeping track of the redlinks that I created in the process of changing the weapons to BA. Those can be found at the top of [[User:BobTheZombie/To Do|my To Do List]] if you'd want to add those. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 11:57, 19 January 2014 (PST)
:::::::::Sure not a problem, thanks for the help. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 11:58, 19 January 2014 (PST)
:I Just noticed this: [[:Category:Special Munitions]]. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 13:26, 19 January 2014 (PST)
::That's for [[Autocannon]]s, these ones are for small arms, but thanks. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 13:28, 19 January 2014 (PST)
:::Okay, at a glance that looked the same, and I didn't want you to waste your whole day adding them if they were redundant. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 13:32, 19 January 2014 (PST)
:::Perhaps something could be included in the category name to denote "small arms"? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 14:05, 19 January 2014 (PST)
::::I'll go ahead and change/update the category to include "(Small Arms)" if you don't mind. Also, I guess that having individual pages for each of the SRMs would be best; I was tinkering and couldn't get anything better than what you're doing, so just keep going with that. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 18:18, 21 January 2014 (PST)
:::::Agreed, however going through TechManual it looks like [[ProtoMechs]] have their own version of the same missiles launchers with their own unique stats, mostly how much they weigh per tube.  I'll look into it more but for now I think simply labeling all of the BA launchers with (Battle Armor) is the safest route (you never know, Cattalyst just might come out with odd-numbered 'Mech missile launchers in the future, then we'd have more work trying to make unique pages for each). [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 14:56, 23 January 2014 (PST)
::::::I doubt that they will ever add odd numbered battlemech-level SRMs, but yes, it's always better to be safe than sorry. Also, should I change the category to "Specialty Ammunition (Support Weapons)"? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 18:38, 23 January 2014 (PST)
:::::::I think since it covers ammo for both standard and support weapons you could probably leave it as is, although as long as the category name is different enough I don't know about having the qualifier (i.e. [[:Category:Special Munitions]] clearly labels itself within the article as relating to autocannons ammo and the name is different from Specialty Ammunition, same for [[:Category:Alternate Ammunition]] and missiles, [[:Category:Artillery Munitions]] and artillery, etc.) [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 09:01, 24 January 2014 (PST)

=="Battle Armor" Capitalization==
I just found out that the term battle armor should '''not''' be capitalized (see [[Talk:Battle Armor#Capitalization]]), so be sure to keep that in mind when working. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 17:52, 2 February 2014 (PST)
:Thanks.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 08:08, 3 February 2014 (PST)
::I noticed that you were changing the capitalization within links ( <nowiki>[[Small Laser (Battle Armor)|Small Laser]]</nowiki> ) with no visible change to the page, and I just wanted you to know that that isn't as important as changing the full word of [[Battle Armor]] within the text to battle armor. If you really want, you can keep going with what you were doing, I just think it's not as necessary at the moment. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:27, 6 February 2014 (PST)

==Hermes II==
Hey, in regards to your again editing the ''Hermes II'' article to say the original ''Hermes'' was "then in use by the Star League," I'm going to revert it again.  There was no Star League in 2798; the First Succession War began in 2786.  Additionally, and I'm quoting from the ''Hermes'' article, "[t]he ''Hermes'' would serve for nineteen years on the front lines before reassignment to second-line units and, eventually, be mothballed."  If you disagree with this, we can talk it out, but please don't change it again before we do: I don't want an edit war.  [[User:GOLFisNOTaSPORT|GOLFisNOTaSPORT]] ([[User talk:GOLFisNOTaSPORT|talk]]) 12:10, 7 March 2014 (PST)
:Bah, thanks for catching my goof. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 13:42, 9 March 2014 (PDT)
::No worries.  Thanks for being cool about it.  [[User:GOLFisNOTaSPORT|GOLFisNOTaSPORT]] ([[User talk:GOLFisNOTaSPORT|talk]]) 15:22, 11 March 2014 (PDT)

==Remove of Content==
Hello Littlewolf, I'm realy  happy that you removed my work from the [[Invasion corridor - Clan Wolf]]. It tooked only a lot of time to put it on that page. Next time I will create more text. Then you can remove even more. Seriously why are you removing most of my content of that page. All information had their corresponding references and I think the layout of the page was also acceptable. With best regards [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] ([[User talk:Neuling|talk]]) 13:41, 20 March 2014 (PDT)
:I have re-added the removed info. I understand that you may have intended to re-add the info yourself LittleWolf, but straight out removing it before then, especially without so much as discussing it isn't the best thing to do. If you're going to revamp the article, please do so without major loss of info. No hard feelings. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 18:02, 20 March 2014 (PDT)
::Apologies, that was a genuine mistake on my part and no harm was meant by my edit. Will be more careful in the future. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 12:46, 21 March 2014 (PDT)
:::That's fine; I don't mean to have assumed too much, but had thought that that was deliberate. Keep up the good work! -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 11:12, 22 March 2014 (PDT)

==Movement Speeds==
Hello; I received a request on the forums to include the board game speed (4/6, 3/4, etc.) along with the kph speed on each unit's article. I don't have the means to check these (i.e. the sources), so if we'd go ahead with it I wouldn't be able to help much. What are your thoughts on this? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 17:11, 8 April 2014 (PDT)
:Ah, infobox creep :-D I suppose I could help with in, although it would be far down on the list of things to do.  I suppose you would create a new field in the infobox to keep the MP speed and KPH speed separate, once that's done and I get to work on any more 'Mechs I can include that info as well.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 10:27, 10 April 2014 (PDT)
::It was explained on my talk page why we aren't doing that; it differs by game and would involve thousands of page updates for very little improvement. Also, [http://www.sarna.net/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/172944/an/0/page/0#172944 this forum thread] explains how to convert them easily. So you don't have to worry about it. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 12:47, 10 April 2014 (PDT)

=="Battle Armor" Capitalization, Revisited==
I am sorry to report that turning instances of "Battle Armor" in a title to lowercase was all wrong. For some reason I did not use an ounce of my brain when doing that and am sorry to have started that. Normally everything except articles (a, an, the) are capitalized in titles, but I forgot everything in an effort to work as hard as possible. I'll go ahead and revert all of them, but just be sure to in the future make articles with Battle Armor (and for that matter, Aerospace Fighter and Conventional Fighter) in the name capitalized. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 14:35, 20 August 2014 (PDT)
:Not a problem, I'll keep that in mind for the future, thanks. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 11:56, 21 August 2014 (PDT)

==Thanks==
Hi, thanks for your minor update of the [[Communications System]] page, i hope you add more content to the page, and i give your second [[File:SubAdd 1bol.jpg|Substantial Addition Award, 2nd ribbon]]  award.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 11:27, 14 April 2015 (PDT)
:Thanks! [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 11:36, 14 April 2015 (PDT)

==Present tense vs. past tense in articles==
Hi, in reference to your recent edits to the [[Excalibur (DropShip)]] article, I notice you changed the text into past tense. While I admit this wiki doesn't have a proper policy about the issue in place, my understanding is that Sarna doesn't have a timeline viewpoint or "current" timeline. I think we're only writing characters and event articles in past tense because characters die and events pass; by contrast, designs (like 'Mech, vehicle, DropShip, etc.) are covered in the present tense because their stats and descriptions will never become a thing of the past. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:15, 27 April 2015 (PDT)
:While I'll try to keep that in mind in the future, undoubtedly many designs do go through changes, switch "hands" between groups, and otherwise experience history in general.  It's hard to describe something in a "timeless" sense when for example it started being built during one period by one manufacturer, then production stopped some years later, only to be restarted in a different time period by a third party.  I suppose we could have different tenses for different part of an article.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 10:58, 27 April 2015 (PDT)
::I've gone with the standard of keeping everything in the past tense because we're always writing from the point of view of the "current" time, which will be ever evolving as they continue the timeline. It helps keep things simpler when you have all the articles consistent, and I've been told to write everything in the past tense. As I understand it, it's meant to be a "historical" look at things, so it makes sense that everything should be in the past tense. Additionally, everything will be easier if you have it in the past tense because then you don't need to worry about updating the grammar of every page that has new information added to it. That's just my two cents, but from what I remember, I was explicitly told by someone to only use past tense. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 17:58, 27 April 2015 (PDT)
:::Like I said, we don't have a proper policy on this - probably because there doesn't seem to be user consensus on the issue. Me, I'm a proponent of a timeless OOC wiki (why write "the ''Locust'' was a 20-ton 'Mech when a ''Locust'' will never cease to be a 20-ton 'Mech design?) as opposed to... uh... Revanche I think who was of the opinion that Sarna should be sort of an IC document looking back from whatever is the most advanced point in the BT timeline.<br />Perhaps we should seek to find a user consensus and draw up a policy or style guide after all. And no, I'm not proposing this now because Revanche isn't active anymore. ;) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 08:51, 28 April 2015 (PDT)
::::I've always worked from the assumption that everything should be written in the past tense - I'd write "the ''Locust'' was a 20-ton 'Mech" because in that instance, it may be that the ''Locust'' went out of production and the design died off as a result. I'm not sure where I picked up the assumption that everything should be in past tense, but most likely from someone here correcting me on the issue, given that this is the first wiki I've worked on. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 09:00, 28 April 2015 (PDT)
:::::I know some other wikis also go with a past tense, and a few I believe are present tense, but perhaps then it is time to have an official policy made for Sarna, via user consensus, about which tense to use? [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 16:25, 29 April 2015 (PDT)
::::::I agree with BrokenMnemonic on this, but think that we should come to consensus and set it in stone before moving forward. I could make a quick little google survey if you'd like. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 16:40, 29 April 2015 (PDT)
:::::::A survey sounds like a good idea, but I think we first have to determine what the questions/options really are that we want to decide. Also, I wonder if Nic Jansma should have a say in this as he's the site owner and Sarna BattleTechWiki bureaucrat. And finally, I think we should perhaps move this discussion to the Sarna forum. Unfortunately I have very little time myself right now; you guys get the ball rolling and I'll be joining the discussion next week. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 04:40, 30 April 2015 (PDT)
::::::::I'll be sure to contact Nic and see what he says. On moving it to the forum, I think that we should rather keep it on the front page of the wiki in the minor news section; then whoever sees it (usually editors/interested readers) can take the survey. I'll try getting a rough outline of it up later in the week, but I'm also going to be busy... -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 06:16, 30 April 2015 (PDT)
:::::::::One thing to consider: if everything's written in the past tense, then everything is always in the correct tense. If articles start in the present tense but then the information becomes historical, because the design dies out, the time period advances, etc, then the page is effectively in the wrong tense, and would need to be updated. Speaking as someone updating 3,500 planet articles, that kind of update is either not going to get done or is going to be a massive pain for whichever poor sod has to do it. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 14:19, 2 May 2015 (PDT)
:::::::::::I have to agree, with BrokenMnemonic, the "past tense" makes more sense for in-universe writer's pureview on how Sarna.net is written.  The universe is alive and timeline hasn't stopped at one particular time for so long that it never changes.  Field Manual: 3145 is written from view of named year 3145, not 3025.  As long as there publisher who supports the current universe, everything will eventually become the past. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 04:35, 6 May 2015 (PDT)
::::::::::::Sorry for the long delay; I made a short [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1b9mvBOCMJDOacnTujvB97VzeaJJvlo57gAVqQY52e8k/viewform survey]. Tell me if you think any of the wording should be changed. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 22:21, 23 May 2015 (PDT)
:::::::::::::Perfect, thanks Bob.  Let's put that as a link on the front page in the news section, and create a Forums post about it. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 19:17, 24 June 2015 (PDT)
::::::::::::::I started a forum thread [http://www.sarna.net/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/177827/an/0/page/0#177827 here]. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:34, 2 July 2015 (PDT)
:::::::::::::::Responded. Also, if you could put a link to the survey on the front page's "Minor News" section, that would be great. Thanks! -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 11:14, 2 July 2015 (PDT)

== Radstadt ==

LittleWolf - Impressive start on the Battle of Radstadt article. Question - Did you want to use the Conflict Infobox? You can find examples from [[Battle of Twycross]] and other articles. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 20:27, 13 November 2015 (PST)
:Thank you.  I probably won't at this time, but may try and incorporate it at a later date once everything is settled.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 10:39, 14 November 2015 (PST)
::Understood. I look forward to seeing the finished work. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 11:23, 14 November 2015 (PST)
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 I just found out that the term battle armor should '''not''' be capitalized (see [[Talk:Battle Armor#Capitalization]]), so be sure to keep that in mind when working. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 17:52, 2 February 2014 (PST)
 :Thanks.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 08:08, 3 February 2014 (PST)
-::I noticed that you were changing the capitalization within links ( <nowiki>[[Small Laser (Battle Armor)|Small Laser]]</nowiki> ) with no visible change to the page, and I just wanted you to know that that isn't as important as changing the full word of [[battle armor]] within the text to battle armor. If you really want, you can keep going with what you were doing, I just think it's not as necessary at the moment. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:27, 6 February 2014 (PST)
+::I noticed that you were changing the capitalization within links ( <nowiki>[[Small Laser (Battle Armor)|Small Laser]]</nowiki> ) with no visible change to the page, and I just wanted you to know that that isn't as important as changing the full word of [[Battle Armor]] within the text to battle armor. If you really want, you can keep going with what you were doing, I just think it's not as necessary at the moment. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:27, 6 February 2014 (PST)
 ==Hermes II==
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 ==Present tense vs. past tense in articles==
-Hi, in reference to your recent edits to the [[Excalibur (DropShip class)]] article, I notice you changed the text into past tense. While I admit this wiki doesn't have a proper policy about the issue in place, my understanding is that Sarna doesn't have a timeline viewpoint or "current" timeline. I think we're only writing characters and event articles in past tense because characters die and events pass; by contrast, designs (like 'Mech, vehicle, DropShip, etc.) are covered in the present tense because their stats and descriptions will never become a thing of the past. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:15, 27 April 2015 (PDT)
+Hi, in reference to your recent edits to the [[Excalibur (DropShip)]] article, I notice you changed the text into past tense. While I admit this wiki doesn't have a proper policy about the issue in place, my understanding is that Sarna doesn't have a timeline viewpoint or "current" timeline. I think we're only writing characters and event articles in past tense because characters die and events pass; by contrast, designs (like 'Mech, vehicle, DropShip, etc.) are covered in the present tense because their stats and descriptions will never become a thing of the past. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:15, 27 April 2015 (PDT)
 :While I'll try to keep that in mind in the future, undoubtedly many designs do go through changes, switch "hands" between groups, and otherwise experience history in general.  It's hard to describe something in a "timeless" sense when for example it started being built during one period by one manufacturer, then production stopped some years later, only to be restarted in a different time period by a third party.  I suppose we could have different tenses for different part of an article.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 10:58, 27 April 2015 (PDT)
 ::I've gone with the standard of keeping everything in the past tense because we're always writing from the point of view of the "current" time, which will be ever evolving as they continue the timeline. It helps keep things simpler when you have all the articles consistent, and I've been told to write everything in the past tense. As I understand it, it's meant to be a "historical" look at things, so it makes sense that everything should be in the past tense. Additionally, everything will be easier if you have it in the past tense because then you don't need to worry about updating the grammar of every page that has new information added to it. That's just my two cents, but from what I remember, I was explicitly told by someone to only use past tense. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 17:58, 27 April 2015 (PDT)
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 ::::::::::::::I started a forum thread [http://www.sarna.net/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/177827/an/0/page/0#177827 here]. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:34, 2 July 2015 (PDT)
 :::::::::::::::Responded. Also, if you could put a link to the survey on the front page's "Minor News" section, that would be great. Thanks! -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 11:14, 2 July 2015 (PDT)
-Hiya, just wondering... you seem to have made the same changes to article tense in your recent workover of the ''[[Archer]]'' article? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 00:39, 14 December 2015 (PST)
 == Radstadt ==
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 :Thank you.  I probably won't at this time, but may try and incorporate it at a later date once everything is settled.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 10:39, 14 November 2015 (PST)
 ::Understood. I look forward to seeing the finished work. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 11:23, 14 November 2015 (PST)
-==Combined Proofreading Efforts==
-I came up with an idea on [[User talk:WarDog Mike#Feedback: Great House articles|WarDog Mike's user talk page]] to go through and proofread/reformat the most visited pages, because they should be at the top of our priorities (mostly because they're the first impression people get of Sarna), but some of them are pretty shabby. I know you guys (and myself included) like to float around proofreading whatever page you stumble upon instead of being told which ones to do, but I think that you, me and the other active proofreaders need to go through [[Special:PopularPages|this list]] and make sure that these pages are up to par on grammar, formatting, linkage, and all that jazz. I don't know what you are busy with project-wise or how much free time you have, but it's an idea. What do you think? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 13:59, 30 November 2015 (PST)
-:Not a problem, when I have a chance I can give those a closer look and make sure at least spelling/grammar-wise they're okay.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 10:08, 5 December 2015 (PST)
-::Sweet, thanks! I still don't know how exactly we're going to organize this (I'll have an opening in my schedule in a week or two). In the meantime, feel free to work on whatever or even start on the list if you want. P.S. I can worry about formatting, links, and organization and follow after you guys if you want; just a thought. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 12:46, 5 December 2015 (PST)
-:::Sorry for my delay in getting back to you guys on this idea; I started a page [[User:BobTheZombie/Proofreading List|here]]. Let's get started! -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 17:50, 28 December 2015 (PST)
-==Warhammer Article==
-Hi Littlewolf, you did a great job updating the article and adding details that have been missed by our fellow editors. I am bestowing you with the Third Substantial Article Award! [[File:SubAdd 3bol.jpg|Substantial Addition Award, 4th ribbon]] Congratulations and thank you! -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 14:26, 27 December 2015 (PST)
-:Thank you [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 14:34, 27 December 2015 (PST)
-==Siren Stats==
-Hey, I noticed you changed some stuff in the infobox from "standard" to a certain weight and the engine type to the engine weight. After comparing it to some other ProtoMechs, it looks like those stats in particular should have stayed the same (all the other changes looked good). I think it's assumed that you can explain those exact numbers in the fluff, but the infobox is for what ''type'' of parts are being used, not the specific weight. I hope that clarifies things. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 08:16, 4 June 2016 (PDT)
-:All Protos use the same type of components, which sorta renders any point in listing them moot.  Weight at least allows for a bit more comparison, but I will leave it as is going forward. [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 08:23, 4 June 2016 (PDT)
-::Ah, okay, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for explaining -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 08:45, 4 June 2016 (PDT)
-== Successor States ==
-LittleWolf - Impressive work on the [[Successor States]]. One question - how did you determine "Notable Personalities"? Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 00:53, 27 June 2016 (PDT)
-:Thanks, the Great House pages themselves need major touch-ups though.  As for NPs, I limited to the 31st C. leaders and those very close to them/major story roles/etc.  Don't need every single family member since there's already a category for them.[[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 11:52, 1 July 2016 (PDT)
-==Eagle currency==
-Hi, thanks to add this great article, i want to uploade images to the article is this ok for you?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 14:19, 28 December 2016 (PST)
-:Go for it! [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 14:21, 28 December 2016 (PST)
-==ComStar and Word of Blake military structure==
-Hi, I just wanted to point out a problem with [[ComStar/Word of Blake military structure]] - namely that using a slash "/" character in an article name creates a subdirectory to the article in front of the slash. That's... messy, with regards to the article structure we're maintaining here. Can you rename the article, or merge it into articles for existing militaries such as the [[Com Guards]] or [[Word of Blake Militia]]? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 06:50, 27 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Moved to the [[ComStar military structure]] page, didn't realize it already existed :) [[User:LittleWolf|LittleWolf]] ([[User talk:LittleWolf|talk]]) 14:55, 10 June 2017 (EDT)