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Hy Rebs, can you take a look on [[Wars of Reaving - Timeline]] page, i don't know if we need the page, ok ther's a lot of content, but poorly writen, have you any idea, i don't want to delete the page, but there must become a major cleanup, any thought, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 08:55, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
 
Hy Rebs, can you take a look on [[Wars of Reaving - Timeline]] page, i don't know if we need the page, ok ther's a lot of content, but poorly writen, have you any idea, i don't want to delete the page, but there must become a major cleanup, any thought, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 08:55, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
 
:Man, you were right about it being a lot of content! I'm at about page 100 on Wars of Reaving, I'll need to finish it before I started on a project like that.  But I am up for it.  It needs to be cleaned up and compressed because it is simply way too long.  Timelines are supposed to be lots of short entries. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 09:06, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
 
:Man, you were right about it being a lot of content! I'm at about page 100 on Wars of Reaving, I'll need to finish it before I started on a project like that.  But I am up for it.  It needs to be cleaned up and compressed because it is simply way too long.  Timelines are supposed to be lots of short entries. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 09:06, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
::Yep, you hit the nail, i think we can move some content [compressed] to the year pages , oh i forgot to give you this [[Guideline:Year Pages]], i think this help how we handle the year pages, best wishes.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 09:18, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
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::Yep, you hit the nail, i think we can move some content [compressed] to the year pages , oh i forgot to give you this [[Policy:Year Pages]], i think this help how we handle the year pages, best wishes.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 09:18, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
 
:::OK.  I'll finish reading then as I re-read, I'll just do 2k or 3k changes every couple nights until it's done.  It won't be a problem, and it is needed.  The thing is, if these events I trim are major, then you know I Have to make pages for them either then and there or eventually. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 11:05, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
 
:::OK.  I'll finish reading then as I re-read, I'll just do 2k or 3k changes every couple nights until it's done.  It won't be a problem, and it is needed.  The thing is, if these events I trim are major, then you know I Have to make pages for them either then and there or eventually. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] 11:05, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
 
::::Okidoky, oh i forgot to say you can email me also, when you go to the left nav bar, theres is a link to email me per sarna, but i think the personnel way is better, ;), can you send me a test email to my pers. email, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:16, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
 
::::Okidoky, oh i forgot to say you can email me also, when you go to the left nav bar, theres is a link to email me per sarna, but i think the personnel way is better, ;), can you send me a test email to my pers. email, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:16, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
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:::Thank you both!  I've been trying.  :) [[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 09:24, 20 February 2013 (PST)
 
:::Thank you both!  I've been trying.  :) [[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 09:24, 20 February 2013 (PST)
  
== Dawn Moffat ==
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== Dawn Moffet ==
 
This may sound cheesy, but independent from CW's nomination I saw, and was impressed by, your article on [[Dawn Moffat]], for which I reckon you deserve another Good Article Award: [[File:GdArt_1bol.jpg|Good Article Award, 2nd ribbon]] Keep up the good work! [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:29, 20 February 2013 (PST)
 
This may sound cheesy, but independent from CW's nomination I saw, and was impressed by, your article on [[Dawn Moffat]], for which I reckon you deserve another Good Article Award: [[File:GdArt_1bol.jpg|Good Article Award, 2nd ribbon]] Keep up the good work! [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:29, 20 February 2013 (PST)
:Something about the Steel Vipers has made me rise to the occasion.  Thank you both for the recognition. :)  edit: And I don't want to forget to say that there are many others who I've learned a lot from here.  Heck, the [[Perigard Zalman]] article turned into something that interested a lot of people here.  From all of you I've learned, and now slowly pulled it together to really slip into my role as "the Clan guy".  (Which I've already been called.) --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 09:24, 20 February 2013 (PST)
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:Something about the Steel Vipers has made me rise to the occasion.  Thank you both for the recognition. :)  --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 09:24, 20 February 2013 (PST)
 
 
== Biographies ==
 
 
 
Rebs,
 
 
 
Not ignoring you, but taking a break (as you said). To your point about adding info to biographies, I really don't care to do biographical work. It just doesn't interest me. Sorry, but I think it's better for someone who really loves doing that work to do it rather than have me half-heartedly do it. That said, I may do some of them just to clean them out of Updates Needed. ;)
 
 
 
I wasn't aware of your interaction w/Paul re: Royce Chapman. If you took my interaction with him as a reminder to check your writing, great! I'm glad something good came of it. (But at the same time, it wasn't fun and I didn't enjoy it.)--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 05:33, 25 February 2013 (PST)
 
 
 
:No problem, mbear, I just thought I would ask about the bios.  Just in case.
 
 
 
:As for Mr. Paul, yes and I understand how you feel, I was kind of loath to even say anything at all. But, yeah, I think if I had given him any lip or excuses I would have been hammered, and not by a banhammer, but the kind that hurts a lot more.  As it is, I did understand what he meant right away, and applied it to what I do here.  I think if he didn't care, he wouldn't say anything and just let us get into worse trouble eventually.
 
 
 
: I wanted to make note that I did not see the hoopla until about a week after it had already happened.  Had it been unfolding while I saw it, there's a good chance I might have jumped in, and might have gotten myself into trouble.  I have a penchant for doing things like that sometimes. Probably best I saw it late, because then I just didn't want to revive it.[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 10:45, 25 February 2013 (PST)
 
 
 
==Named vessels==
 
Hy Rebs hope all is well, i fixed the the Perigard Zalman link you added on the biblio page, please notice we name different names there have bios to vessels; as example, [[Victoria Ward|Victoria Ward (Individual Liberator-class WarShip)]] and so on, i hope i can help a little bit, to clear this, if you have questions please talk to me, with best regards.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 17:58, 7 March 2013 (PST)
 
:Awesome!  I was not aware that article was done yet. Thanks for the cleanup on that.  I just want to make sure that this [[Brett Andrews]] document is a good one, so along the way I'm making sure everything else about him or connected with him is in line.  It will be comparable to [[Marthe Pryde]] in size.  Then I will seriously take a look at fixing links to ships in my coyote, blood spirit and raven articles :)  while finishing up minor vipers.  But first, back to this.--[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 18:41, 7 March 2013 (PST)
 
::That's a great article!  I like the headings by years.  Very fitting decision, characters need titles for sections, but doing that for ships would be unnecessary.  BrokenMnemonic did a great job!  I'll go over everything on the bio side for style conformity, ship links, touch ups, edits, images and the rest - which will be soon - after this.  --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 20:17, 7 March 2013 (PST)
 
:::Yep, you're right, BM do a hell of job to provide some individual ship pages (take a look on the [[:category: Individual WarShips]] pages), he put circa one or two hundrets of the named vessel pages to sarna, and i help a little bit.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 20:35, 7 March 2013 (PST)
 
::::Thanks for posting that link!  I'll use it a lot.  :)  This is truly an outstanding effort.--[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 21:41, 7 March 2013 (PST)
 
:::What I've been doing for the various ships is breaking the history section down if it either covers several periods, or if the ship in question did a lot in a short space of time. The [[Perigard Zalman (Individual Leviathan-class WarShip)|''Perigard Zalman'']] was only active for 2-3 years, but fought numerous battles in that time, so it seemed appropriate to break the history of the ship down by year, and where it fought more than one campaign in that year, to include sub-headings for the individual campaigns. For other ships, like the [[Inquisitor (Individual Aegis-class WarShip)|''Inquisitor'']], I've broken the history down by era, because it was active during KLONDIKE and then again during the Wars of Reaving. I'm not looking forward to the ''McKenna's Pride'', because that's going to be a monster of an article - I'll probably have to have a Star League history sub-section, with further sub-sections by campaign (CHIEFTAN, etc) and possibly by world, then an Exodus sub-section, then a section to cover the Clan years, and then a Wars of Reaving sub-section. Yeesh.
 
:::Oh, I should mention naming conventions, just in case you want to pre-load articles with ship names (Doneve's been a rock star with getting that done on ship class pages and the like) - the convention being used is that ship articles will use the Ship Name as the article name, but that if there is already an article with that name (typically a planet or a person) then the article uses Ship Name (Vessel) to signify that it's a vessel. If there two vessels with the same name (Swift Strike, Ark Royal, etc) then the (Vessel) part is replaced with the class name of each - so we have Swift Strike (Individual Overlord-class DropShip) and Swift Strike (Individual Fredasa-class WarShip), and Ark Royal (Vessel) (because we don't know what class the Martial Olympiad winner was) and Ark Royal (Individual Conqueror-class WarShip).
 
:::Where there are two ships with the same name and the same class (''Cold Hunter'' - ''Lola''-class destroyer in the Ice Hellion touman ''and'' the Snow Raven touman) I cry and go home. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 00:16, 8 March 2013 (PST)
 
 
 
==Brett Andrews==
 
This one was fun at times.  I did not mean for the article to be as long as it is, I've compressed the heck out of it, but not to the point that it doesn't make sense or information was left out.  now that it's done, I'm going to be reading for a little while, got to recharge the batteries a bit, and I'm behind on a lot of new stuff.  I'll finish up the Vipers at my leisure, start on finishing the Star Adders, and somewhere in between, Nick K will be visited by me. 
 
 
 
I hope this article was enjoyable, again, sorry about the length (We shoot for short story sized pieces, and I try to stay within those bounds), but this is a keystone character, a bit like Darth Vader and the Emperor combined.  If any blemishes are spotted feel free to adjust it as needed. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 09:18, 22 March 2013 (PDT)
 
: Rebs - It was very good! Please enjoy a [[File:AP 1bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 2nd ribbon]]!
 
: On a related note... I hate Ulric Kerensky. I hate him soooo much. Oh, he was a nice enough guy for an IlKhan, i suppose, given most ilKhans were evil/insane/megalomaniacs like Mr. Andrews. But he is a PAIN to write. Still, I press on. Hope to have something for the group within a few days. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 11:59, 22 March 2013 (PDT)
 
::Hy Rebs, great article, now i know why you're not present on sarna in the last weeks ;), i see CW give you a award :).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 12:23, 22 March 2013 (PDT)
 
:::Hey guys, had to run into work for a while. 
 
 
 
:::CW - Thank you sir.  And I sooo understand.  As you see, I should have kept this one for a day or two longer, but this morning I decided to just save it.  And like usual, only then is when I noticed the last few mistakes that I did not see before.  However, they weren't earth shattering, so I'm happy.  If the new folks from MWO read it and then want to buy ''[[Wars of Reaving]]'' because of it, I've done well and can be happy.  That's really all I care about, I want people to see the same greatness in this game and universe that I see. 
 
 
 
:::Doneve - Yes, this is was the BIG time consumer.  And I'm happy to say no other bio will be this long - edit: at least from me it won't be, if I can help it.  There was a lot about him and  his doings and commands.  He was the centerpiece of my end of the universe, to be sure.  Everyone else in the story simply revolves around him (until they get tired of his shenanigans.  :)  I Was glad I already did the Coyotes, Ravens and Blood Spirits, it made the article a lot more full.  And I really liked Broken Mnemonic's WarShip articles, they also helped to keep things full, and I could relax a little about detailing the space battles. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 15:31, 22 March 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
== Ulric Kerensky ==
 
 
 
Rebs - I have slain the monster. [[Ulric Kerensky]]'s rewritten article is done. For your approval. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 14:39, 7 April 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
: Hail the Slayer!  First Impressions: Very tightly tuned, and over-all sleek.  I have only read a little, scanned over it mostly...  Looks great!  Also, I am reminded of something I need to do on that future pass through all the Clan Characters of which I've spoke: faction insignia on prominent display. 
 
 
 
:Anyway, back to reading the article, I'll post again. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 19:13, 7 April 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
::Great article.  Much better than what I could have done for it. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 12:50, 8 April 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
== Carson Bloodline ==
 
 
 
Well... I suppose he could be isorla from the Smoke Jaguars, who absorbed Clan Mongoose? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 13:58, 9 April 2013 (PDT)
 
:Or from Cloud Cobra, who trialed the Jags for and won 70 or so genetic Mongoose heritages from over a dozen Bloodlines, iirc.  (edit: check [[Josef Mannix]] for the details) Or they could have maybe obtained some from the Mongeese themselves in the decades of their existence as a faction.  I mostly thought it was interesting because Clan Wolf looks more and more like Clan Star League all the time.  Having some Carson Bloodlines only adds to their collection that includes Kerensky, Fetladral and others that I've noticed here and there. I think there were other Carsons in Wolf Clan Sourcebook. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 18:47, 9 April 2013 (PDT)
 
::If it makes you feel any better, lookup the "Hollis" bloodline. They make an appearance in my Ulric article, too. Direct SL ties, and yet, they aren't around the Clans anymore. Guess why??? :) [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:21, 9 April 2013 (PDT)
 
:::I saw that.  The Bloodlines scenario pack looks interesting, but yeah, that's the kind of thing I don't have, and it adds so much to the article.  To amend above, everyone was a SL all star, so to speak, but the Wolves have many of the biggest names. [[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 21:33, 9 April 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
==New Comp==
 
Hahaha i must laugh when i read your new status update, the new computer gives you a better view i know ;). I pocking around to buy a iMac, but my wife is not so surprised, to much mony and she love microsoft with his support and so on, but i hate Windows 8, now i work on my little laptop with Win7, and she on his comp with Win8 grrr. New update to you in next time, when i got the iMac hehehe, i hope it gives not some trouble ;).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 20:27, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
 
:Hey Doneve!  I caved in and bought a new PC, not a Mac.  I would like a Mac, but like you said, too much money.  It's an HP all in one, costs less than half of a Mac.  It should be OK, I'm religious about anti-virus and malware tools.  I once had a new Dell P4 when I first started college.  I made it last for 6 years, and still, when it went down, I traded it to a friend who refurbishes computers, he gave me an IBM he just finished fixing for nothing, just a trade.  It's nice to have something brand new.  And this is big enough that I can watch movies on it while laying in bed across the room. And I can let my girlfriend use my old one, she just goes on Facebook and Ebay.  It may be little but it's good enough to do that.  Good luck getting a new machine.  Macs are fun. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 21:27, 13 April 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
== Welcoming new contributors ==
 
 
 
Guys, I ''really'' appreciate it when editors reach out to new contributors here, like you did with [[User talk:Nuclear-Fridge|Nuclear-Fridge]]. If there is anything that will help encourage people to do more than just a single drive-by edit, it is personal recognition and you both knocked it out of the ballpark with him. Really, thanks.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:19, 25 April 2013 (PDT)
 
:Thanks, Rev.  I learned it from you.  I'm still taking a break because [[Brett Andrews]] drained my soul, but I check things out all the time and I'm always sympathetic to newcomers.  This place can be a lot of work (done mostly by you admins), but it's fun and rewarding in its own way. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 04:05, 26 April 2013 (PDT)
 
::Editors and admins are very similar, my friend. Each of us -individually- have areas of focus here on BTW and we do what we can in those areas.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 05:03, 26 April 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
== Battle of Twycross ==
 
 
 
[[Battle of Twycross]] is up. Got some Clan stuff in there. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 08:52, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
 
:That's a really good article.  Very balanced in sources, plenty of citations.  Too bad there simply isn't more material about Adler Malthus and his perspective.  Instead, he's just a high ranking redshirt.  ;)  Good article though.
 
:One thing, there seems to have been a bold/italics snafu there in the middle about the hatchetman and the ejection system/ flying head contraption.  It looks overemphasized because several lines are bold italic. Just a typo and quirk of the wiki, but other than that I didn't see any other typo.--[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 06:52, 2 May 2013 (PDT)
 
::Yeah, Mbear fixed that for me. The problem is using an apostrophe s when we use apostrophes in the code.
 
::Adler Malthus had a brief write up in the Battle for Twycross scenario pack. I used a couple of bits from that bio, but like you said, it was pretty minimal. Still, I'll give him his own write up in good time. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 07:58, 2 May 2013 (PDT)
 
:::Cool.  Think you might hit [[Taman Malthus]] too?  It would make sense.  I've thought about doing a write up for him too, he's pretty interesting, and his actions display what can be cool about a clanner.  But I would gladly not write it if you wanted it.  I've got a full plate.--[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 08:16, 2 May 2013 (PDT)
 
::::I want to do Taman. Unfortunately, I don't have a reading copy of Assumption of Risk. Still, he's on my (ever-growing) list. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 09:41, 2 May 2013 (PDT)
 
:::::I think Adler goes with the Taman Malthus package ;)  Should be only a few paragraphs at most, right? --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 14:47, 2 May 2013 (PDT)
 
::::::I would think. He's on the list, too. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 14:49, 2 May 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
==Hey==
 
Hy Rebs, hope all is well, i miss your well writen articles, when you have time talk what is going on, yaya i know reall life is busy {{Emoticon| ;) }}.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 14:42, 2 June 2013 (PDT)\
 
:Still reading and catching up, though as you say, yeah, RL is pretty busy now.  I started working again, I'm a land surveyor who specializes in updates for mortgage reports.  I check and make sure the fences are were they should be, and no one's house in on two pieces of property (called an encroachment), which happens more than one would think...  Last time I surveyed property was 2005, when the economy really crashed hard in my area, so I've been content with getting back into the swing of that, and with lots reading.  I have a lot of stuff I was putting off that I'm now getting into, reading the DA novels and the new stuff too.  And I hooked up with a GF.  So yeah, busy-busy here.  I'll see what I can do to at least start writing a few articles here and there.  I know I have things to finish, too. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 23:48, 7 June 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
== References - Updated help page ==
 
 
 
Saw your comments to [[User:Adridos]]. I've tweaked the References page so that it reflects how we're actually using the references tag on Sarna. If there's anything I should add, please let me know. Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 10:02, 7 June 2013 (PDT)
 
:Didn't see anything amiss.  Looks like it's complete and up-to-date.  Hopefully this helps the new folks to get to the right path. --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 23:52, 7 June 2013 (PDT)
 
 
 
== For Your Review - Beta Regiment ==
 
 
 
[[Beta Regiment (Wolf's Dragoons)]] has been posted. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 00:12, 25 July 2013 (PDT)
 

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