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__TOC__ =Archives= {| cellspacing="10" style="background-color: inherit" | *[[User talk:Wrangler/Archives_2009|User Talk Archive 2009]] *[[User talk:Wrangler/Archives_2010|User Talk Archive 2010]] *[[User talk:Wrangler/Archives_2011|User Talk Archive 2011]] *[[User talk:Wrangler/Archives_2012-2013|User Talk Archive 2012-2013]] *[[User talk:Wrangler/Archives_2014|User Talk Archive 2014]] | |} =Resources Pages= *[[User talk:Wrangler/Resources]] =Current= == IndustrialMech updates == Hey, just to clarify, you're still working on the IndustrialMech updates, right?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} 12:34, 6 January 2015 (PST) ::Yes i am, i've been side tracked with IRL work. I'll be working on it tomorrow. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 13:19, 6 January 2015 (PST) :::No problem. I just didn't want to step on your toes if you were still working on them. Thanks! --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} 04:27, 7 January 2015 (PST) ==Other FM 3085/3145 Units== Hi Mbear, I'm still going work on the industrial Mech profiles. I noticed your working on 3085/3145 regiments. I just wanted ask if there were other 3085/3145 regimental units you wanted me to tackle? their fast and easy in comparison to the mech unit ones sometimes. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 13:21, 6 January 2015 (PST) :Well, if you feel like it, the [[Marik Protectors]] as a whole could use some attention. Those are the only ones I can think of off the top of my head.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} 04:27, 7 January 2015 (PST) ::I've just done the [[Harvester Ant]] now, there questions left open about how the Inner Sphere got mods original introduced by the [[Pentagon Powers]] since they were completely separated and like wiped out. No way they would shared their methods of hot wiring combat systems into a industrial ArgoMech. I'll work on Marik Protectors stuff today -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) :::I think the Pentagon Power versions of the 'Mechs were just where their record sheets were introduced to the players. There are rules for using Pentagon style refits in Historical: Reunification War, pp 204-205.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} 05:07, 7 January 2015 (PST) ::::I'm tempted contact CGL about if this is considered to be errant or not. They're sometimes harsh in response so i don't want mess stuff up asking. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 08:11, 7 January 2015 (PST) ==Bristol== If you could check [[Talk:Bristol|this talk page]], that'd be great! -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 20:08, 16 January 2015 (PST) == Battle of Harrow's Sun == W - Was hoping you could give [[Battle of Harrow's Sun]] a look. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:40, 22 March 2015 (PDT) ==Shield Page== I want to personally thank you for working on that shield page and cleaning up the related information. That has been a thorn in my side for quite some time and I'm glad someone stepped in and took care of it. Oh, and here's an award: [[File:AP 2bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 3rd ribbon]] -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 21:52, 3 April 2015 (PDT) ::Thank you, Bob! I appreciate it. I want help out with what time i have. I'm glad i was able easy one your budden. I'm been trying find stuff i can tackle. Its frustrating sometimes when i feel like I'm in competition to help out! Thank you for the award! == Support Vehicles == Hi Wrangler,<br> I've done some fiddling with templates before, but I don't know a lot about support vehicles. If you can give me a list of changes/additions that're needed to the support vehicle template, I'm willing to try updating the template. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 23:37, 6 May 2015 (PDT) :Thanks to BrokenMnemonic for getting to this. I meant to but it got lost in the shuffle. One question: Should the '''Equipment and Capacities''' header read '''Equipment and Capabilities''' instead? (I don't understand why it has Capacities in there.)--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} ::Yes, '''Equipment and Capabilities''' is how it's suppose to be. I sort of grammar blind at times on certain words, that unfortunately ones of them. Thanks you guys! BrokenMnemonic, that only needed (for the infobox) that's missing is the the fuel information line you find in the Aerospace Fighter template and Equipment list i suggested which is something unique for support vehicles. Example a Naval Support Vehicles lousy way to explain a Aircraft Carrier, it need Helipads, and other items, i'd like to have those listed like the weapons. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 04:46, 8 May 2015 (PDT) :::Hey BrokenMnemonic, another thing you should look into adding is look at previous Support Vehicle articles. I've had to improvise in someone some of them due to limitations and at time editors able edit the infobox at the time. If additional feature could be added to the infobox if within your abilities to do so, can you make it so the line item listed if left blank disappears? This is done in the past for some of the infoboxes, question marks are usually left in place so the line remains so the editor may choose use it or know it's there. Some features in Support Vehicles have space capacities for or the Length of vehicle for example. I can't remember them all, but the older ones had unique features. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 06:36, 8 May 2015 (PDT) ::::I'm not overly familiar with support vehicles - can you give me an example of one of each type that I can dig out of the TROs to look at, so that I can try and make the optional fields as comprehensive as possible? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 14:29, 8 May 2015 (PDT) :::::OK, I did some work on this today. I've updated the template documentation to include fields that had been added to the template infobox but not documented (production date, reference year, comsys, T&T). I added a number of new optional fields that I thought could be useful based on a read through of the Technical Readout: Vehicle Annex. These new fields include a power plant type (so you could put 210 Vox under Power Plant, and then Fusion under Power Plant Type, for example - or 180 under Power Plant, and the ICE under Power Plant Type, should you wish), Fire Control System (so that you can note if somehting has the Advanced Fire Control upgrade), Turret (for any turrets), Fitted Equipment (so that you can list things like Bridgelayers, Lift Hoists, Backhoes, Bulldozers, etc, just as you can currently with Armaments, directly in the infobox) and BAR, so that you can list the armour type under Armor (Standard, Heavy Commercial, Commercial, etc) and then have the BAR rating listed on a seperate line. :::::I've left the Speed and Top Speed fields in, but made them optional, and I've inserted Cruise Speed and Flank Speed for ground vehicles/hover vehicles/WiGE vehicles and the like, as well as adding Safe Thrust and Max Thrust for conventional aircraft, airships and the like. This means that you can make the speed categories on each page reflective of the unit type, as the TRO does, rather than having to use the generic speed fields. :::::I've also updated the template documentation and the help article to add in the Design Quirks section and to highlight that it's the Bibliography section that needs updating, not the References section, which should update automatically. :::::I did some testing of the article with the Prometheus to try and make sure everything works. Can you try using the template and let me know if it's suitable? I tried to ensure that any of the units from the TRO:VA could work with it, in the hope that if it works with that TRO, it should work with everything. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 02:24, 11 May 2015 (PDT) ::Hey, Broken. I'll go and do article today if i have time. My work usually slow at times, but today isn't one of those slow days. I'll see i can start working on test article. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 09:18, 11 May 2015 (PDT) :::Hi Wrangler i updated the infobox to show you the Equipment rating.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 13:12, 11 May 2015 (PDT) ::::Hi Doneve, hope your doing well. I'll check it out, Thanks! --- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 13:24, 11 May 2015 (PDT) == XTRO: Republic I Request == Hey Mbear , With Republic opening up soon, i want to request to-do couple vehicles articles in XTRO: Republic I. I really don't want race and compete with you or others to try put article in, do you mind me calling dibs on Castrum Pocket WarShip and Strix Stealth VTOL? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 11:06, 9 May 2015 (PDT) :No problem at all. I'm more interested in the 'Mechs to be honest. :) --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} 05:09, 11 May 2015 (PDT) ::Cool, thanks! -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 09:18, 11 May 2015 (PDT) hi wrangler, sorry but how many ar 10 does this ship have, 16 as it written in your fluff or 8 as shown in the infobox??? thanks [[user:heinzbond|heinbond]] :::It's total 16, 8 per facing. I'll fix it. Thanks for tell me. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 06:46, 14 May 2015 (PDT) == BA Equipment Rating == Hi again, do you want a equipment rating row in the Battle Armor Infobox?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 13:45, 11 May 2015 (PDT) ::Only in ones that are Exoskeleton or Light Power Armor PAL. Regular Battle Armor doesn't get a Equipment Rating. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 05:03, 12 May 2015 (PDT) == Combat Vehicle Tech Base == Hi Wrangler, I saw your comment and went to have a look at the combat vehicle infobox template. It turns out the Tech Base field was already in place in the template, but it hadn't been added to the documentation, so I've updated both the template help file and the article writing help file accordingly. I also added the field to the [[Strix]] article so that you can see the formatting needed. Hope that helps! [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 23:50, 13 May 2015 (PDT) :::Thanks, i thought i was going crazy it was missing. == Neat feature of wiki linking on Sarna == Wrangler, I just did a couple tweaks to the Castrum page, and I wanted to let you know about something that I just found. If you have a plural that just adds an "s" to the end of a link, you can just put the "s" outside the link and Sarna will correctly add it as part of the link. Since it's easier to show than to describe, here's an example: <nowiki> [[Large Laser]]s </nowiki> renders as: [[Large Laser]]s. So you don't need to write <nowiki>[[Large Laser|Large Lasers]]</nowiki>. (Unless you really want to. ;))--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} 07:09, 14 May 2015 (PDT) :The only thing to watch is that this won't work if you have a punctuation character in the way - so if it's a possessive, like Kai Alliard-Liao's, you can't simply add the "'s", because the apostrophe breaks the link, and you get [[Kai Allard-Liao]]'s. That's the only time I've found it doesn't work, though. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 07:12, 14 May 2015 (PDT) :::I've seen this in the past, but i noticed it doesn't do it all the time. I'm not sure why. Thats why stick the old system of doing it. Thanks for FYI. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 09:09, 15 May 2015 (PDT) ==Present vs. Past Tense in Articles== Sorry for the long delay; I made a short [https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1b9mvBOCMJDOacnTujvB97VzeaJJvlo57gAVqQY52e8k/viewform survey]. Tell me if you think any of the wording should be changed, otherwise go ahead and fill it out. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 09:47, 24 May 2015 (PDT) ::I believe Past Tence is the best, unless Battletech stops moving towards the future with no years. It should be viewed if this was the past. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 10:53, 24 May 2015 (PDT) == XTRO List == ''I wasn't sure if you got this message, so I'm copying it to here to be sure'' Okay, so you wanted to add an item to the list of all XTROs, right? To do that, when you are editing a page with <nowiki> {{XTROList}} </nowiki> on it, simply go to edit, then to the bottom where it says "Templates used on this page" and click on the one you want. In this case, here is where you can edit the [http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Template:XTROList XTROList]. Things inside the <nowiki>{{ }}</nowiki> brackets are templates, so that may help you find them in the future. I fixed the [[history]] page; it's perfectly okay. {{emoticon| ;) }} -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 20:09, 7 June 2015 (PDT) ::Hi Bob. That exactly what i was looking for! I'll save the link to my resource page so i'll have in the future when next book drops! Thank you! I've been tied up with this huge article for sarna.net, my works making it hard finish it. It maybe too big. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 03:14, 12 June 2015 (PDT) == Second Ghost Bear War == Wrangler - regarding this article - great start! Question though - regarding unit names, i thought we were spelling them out now? Not the [[4th Bear Regulars (Clan Ghost Bear)|4th Bear Regulars]] but the [[Fourth Bear Regulars]] ? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 11:00, 26 June 2015 (PDT) ::A over sight by me. The article was very daunting to write for me, taking me weeks write up properly. I'm still tying faction military commands into the war. I'll fix that. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 13:06, 26 June 2015 (PDT) :::Also it should be noted, i'm following what the book's use in the way they spell out the names. Anything that in like hundred bracket, like 140th Strike Cluster (Clan Ghost Bear) for instance, i keep it numbered due to book uses numbers instead of spelling it out. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 13:09, 26 June 2015 (PDT) ::::That's the right thing to do - we're trying to follow the BattleCorps writers guide (as listed in [[User:Mbear|Mbear's]] user page) and that specifies that unit numbers below one hundred should be spelled out, but above one hundred should be written numerically. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 13:35, 26 June 2015 (PDT) :::::Gotcha. Yeah, i don't feel like spelling out the Four-Hundred Ninety-Ninth Garrison Cluster either. ;) [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:53, 26 June 2015 (PDT) ::::::::Try doing Fifty-Fifth Provisional Cluster, its just amount pain. I swear they like torching people at CGL. :P -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 04:50, 27 June 2015 (PDT) == Warner Doles == Wrangler - So - i saw the material you removed. I hadn't known anything about it. Can you shed some light? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 22:02, 18 July 2015 (PDT) ==Draconis Combine Civil War== Hey, thanks for the heads up. I'll be trying to finish the page during the weekend, and will make sure to add some citataions. Thanks again! - [[User talk:Star Colonel James]] :Any time, have fun! -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 13:06, 9 October 2015 (PDT) ==Founder's Consistent Service Award== As the third-highest editor (not that anyone's counting) and a consistently guiding force, the wiki is forever in your debt for all of your help and contributions. Thank you, Wrangler! [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 06:35, 25 May 2016 (PDT) ::Thank you Nick for giving us a place to pour our love for our beloved hobby game universe! - [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 19:51, 1 June 2016 (PDT) == Pirate's Haven == Hi Wrangler,<br> I saw your comment about the Pirate's Haven cluster history, and I'm a little confused - all of the history that was in there is still there, but it's in the System History section, rather than Planetary History, because it's either about the system, or the planet isn't named, making it impossible to know which of the 50 is being referred to. I actually dug through Field Manual: Periphery and Historical: Reunification War to add more history and expand on what was there, so I'm not sure what you think is missing? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 23:37, 28 July 2016 (PDT) == Preceded by / Followed by in serial products == Hi Wrangler,<br /> not sure where to start this discussion but your talk page seems like a good place. There's a point I wanted to raise regarding serial products such as the XTROs and the TTS series - namely, the infobox entries for preceding and following products. I think these are misleading, and the infobox fields should be left empty instead.<br />Here's my reasoning: These series do not have a fixed order; the individual entries stand side-by-side. The original intent for "Preceded by" and "Followed by" was for users to be able to easily find the preceding or next part of serialized stories. This, imho, simply isn't applicable for standalone entries in a sourcebook series like the XTROs or TTS (or Spotlight On, and all the other product series). Similarly, I don't think the "Related TROs" section in the XTRO articles has any relevance or value, and just unneccessarily bloats the articles. We could set up a category for XTRO products (a sub-category for Technical Readouts). Well, my opinion at least. Discuss. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:41, 3 September 2016 (PDT) :I find the "preceded by" and "followed by" entries on the TtS articles very handy - I used them when I was generating both the overall TtS article, and when I was adding the various TtS books to Goodreads. I think using them to reflect publication order in a serial product like the TtS articles is very useful. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 02:33, 3 September 2016 (PDT) ::I agree, i think following order (1st in series of blah) the pdfs come in is best way to track them. It maybe helpful to update the Infoboxs so certain information can be disappear when it's not needed. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 14:02, 9 September 2016 (PDT) :::I just saw this in my newsreader. Sorry I've been away for so long but I was burnt out and work was taking up a lot of time. I'll see what I can do about updating the infobox so that the "preceded by" and "followed by" are optional.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]^{([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])} 05:43, 3 November 2016 (PDT) :::Actually I won't do that because those two fields are already optional. == Individual WarShips == Hi Wrangler,</br> I've written up the details for the ships involved in [[Operation SOLAR SHIELD]] because I'm trying to go through FSW and update individual planet articles, and I want to write up an article on the operation. I'm still planning on leaving the rest of the FedSuns ships for you, but I wanted to let you know that as I'm working through the book slowly, I'll be mentioning the ships as I update the various planet articles, if the ships fought in particular systems - although not Cholame. Cholame is all yours {{ emoticon | :P }} - so you might find you can pull stuff out of the system articles to use in the ship articles when you get to them, which might make your life a little easier? [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 02:41, 3 November 2016 (PDT) ::Sorry for late reply, Thank You. I will try work on Cholame ships as soon as i have a moment. I've been busy lately. I will hit it this weekend. Thank you again -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 19:32, 11 November 2016 (PST) == Roman's Mounted Fusiliers == Hello. I see you made this statement for the Mounted Fusiliers. Can you state the article it came from? ''The Roman's Mounted Fusiliers was originally a light weight House Liao BattleMech regiment which specialized in using swiftness of their 'Mechs to out maneuver their enemies.'' [[User:Henryjones000|Henryjones000]] ([[User talk:Henryjones000|talk]]) 09:30, 1 May 2017 (EDT) ::Please give me a day or so, my irl is killing me these days. I will look back at where i got that from. Usually the tactics are from the Field Guides where it's spelled out their special ablities. If it's a purely fluff tactic which is mentioned in the source I used, i try to cite it. This maybe from time when i was starting out editing here. I used ALL the sourcebook published when i do those articles about said regiments. I will get on soon as Weekend's end i promise barring issues i have off-line. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 08:32, 26 May 2017 (EDT) == 16000 Edits == Hey, I just spotted that you hit the 16K edit mark, great work have a little token of appreciation from me {{emoticon|:)}} [[File:RAA_3bol.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 4th ribbon]] - [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 12:14, 5 July 2017 (EDT) ::LOL, lord i didn't think you could even record edits. Being semi-retired but still frisky enough help out is all i can do now. Thanks for noticing! -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 22:34, 5 July 2017 (EDT) == Re: InfoBoxIndMech == It turns out it's as much caused by limitations of how mechs are categorized as anything, at the moment. Curious for your thoughts [[User_talk:Cease_to_Hope#InfoBoxIndMech|here]]. [[User:Cease to Hope|Cease to Hope]] ([[User talk:Cease to Hope|talk]]) 21:06, 9 November 2017 (EST) == Thoughts == Morning Wrangler (or what ever time it is where you are), As a vet of the wiki I would like your thoughts on something that has knock on effects about handling future new products. [[Talk:List of BattleTech products#Merging the PDF products into the main product line|How we handle new products]].--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 05:43, 28 November 2018 (EST) ::Give me a day. Sorry i haven't been on recently, i'm on hit and miss. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 07:29, 2 December 2018 (EST) ==DropShuttle Bay article== Hi Wrangler, that's a good article you put up for [[DropShuttle Bay]], minor grammar issues aside. I was particularly impressed by the image you found. Good work! A Good Article Award is in order: [[File:GdArt.jpg|Good Article Award, 1st ribbon]] [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:54, 17 March 2019 (EDT) ::Thank you, i will try watch out for the grammar errors. I Sometimes don't see them until too late. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 09:21, 20 March 2019 (EDT) == Omega == Hi, Wrangler, it's Fred. Sorry, i don't know too well how to talk, and even less how to write references. That's the reason i never put them. But, in answer of your message about my addition to the Battlemech Omega, i can't put an addition, because my source isn't a book: is the Wikia itself. Look the page of [[Ishiyama]]. Addenda: Finaly I have put the reference, doing CTRL copy. == Battletech CCG == Hi Dmon. Want you have by any chance the Battletech CCG cards? I'm just in my last phase of the "project" which includes uploading the missing images, and I'm missing a lot.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 06:18, 14 June 2019 (EDT) == Star League commands order == Hi Wrangler, I've seen that the Star League commands order is different from the rest. Units assigned in sub-level commands do appear also in the root (something that does not happen in other Military Commands Categories. Am I right if I consider this Category incorrectly done? I also think there are categories missing that should help reorganize this a bit better? The level of sub commands can be huge, and I do not even know which is the best way to order them. I tried to make this a general query, but have no idea on how to do it.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 10:31, 18 July 2019 (EDT) :Hi Pserratv sorry, i've not had alot to do on the sarna lately so i haven't been checking in as often. As for your question, it's difficult to say. Category: Military commands were setup handle all formation sizes. It was designed to do it by size of the formation. I'm not sure if the top admins would want additional categories by size. You could try make a such as Category: SLDF Sub-Commands. Aside from the SLDF, there few to none that are listed as massively as SLDF. Only ones i would think of off the top of my head that get's into brigades and divisions (SLDF style) would be House Steiner from listings in Field Reports 2765 series. It wasn't mentioned again in the Succession Wars books them operating as divisions. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 23:08, 3 August 2019 (EDT) == Proposed Organization of the Star League Forces (final) == I've created and explained a proposal here: [[:Category talk:Star League Defense Force Commands]], could you review and share your insights?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:55, 7 August 2019 (EDT) == Artwork cat == Hey Wrangler, I have replied to you on the [[Talk:Shrapnel (magazine)]] but also wanted to bring up [[:Category:Works by Unspecified Artist]] because somebody (Not sure who but it might of been Cache) had me delete an almost identical cat a couple of months ago due to the artwork infobox auto-generating [[:Category:Missing copyright information]] if the artist section is left blank.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:39, 30 May 2020 (EDT) ::No worries, i figured out who it was. I'm idiot who missed the credits. I've fixed it so there no duplication going on now. I found the official logo for the magazine. --[[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 09:42, 30 May 2020 (EDT) :::We all derp, good work on bouncing back and not only finding the artist but saving me doing a hack job in photoshop! Have a good humor award. [[File:GH_1bol.jpg|Good Humor Award, 2nd ribbon]]--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:50, 30 May 2020 (EDT) == Valencia == Sorry about that. I think we were working on the same article at the same time. --<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]]</span> ^{([[User talk:Ebakunin|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ebakunin|contribs]])} 20:35, 21 August 2020 (EDT) :Here's the recent changes for the article: <code> ! 17:33 Touring the Stars: Valencia‎‎ (7 changes | history) . . (+3,975)‎ . . [Ebakunin‎ (2×); Wrangler‎ (5×)] m ! 17:33 (cur | prev) . . (-960)‎ . . Wrangler (talk | contribs | block) [rollback] ! 17:33 (cur | prev) . . (+2,563)‎ . . Wrangler (talk | contribs | block) (its the 28th...) m 17:31 (cur | prev) . . (+858)‎ . . Ebakunin (talk | contribs | block) ! 17:30 (cur | prev) . . (+42)‎ . . Wrangler (talk | contribs | block) (adding missing cover wIll TRY add content back that was erased) ! 17:27 (cur | prev) . . (-2)‎ . . Wrangler (talk | contribs | block) (2 months, not 1 unless policey was changed) ! 17:27 (cur | prev) . . (+159)‎ . . Wrangler (talk | contribs | block) (Adding some content since editing at same time ERASED what i did.) m 17:24 (cur | prev) . . (+1,315)‎ . . Ebakunin (talk | contribs | block) </code> :We were editing the article simultaneously. --<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]]</span> ^{([[User talk:Ebakunin|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ebakunin|contribs]])} 20:45, 21 August 2020 (EDT) --Ack. Well i aded the contents. Sorry. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 20:45, 21 August 2020 (EDT) ::No worries. Unfortunately, MediaWiki v1.30.0 lacks the functionality to tell you if someone is editing simultaneously. There's really no way to know if you're overwriting someone's work :\ --<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]]</span> ^{([[User talk:Ebakunin|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Ebakunin|contribs]])} 20:55, 21 August 2020 (EDT) :::There is a template that says "undercontruction". However, i've yet see anyone use it. I've haven't sever conflict-edits in literally years. Not since Doneve was still active editing. lol. Hopefully we can avoid this next time. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 20:59, 21 August 2020 (EDT) ==Images for individual starships== Hiya, I wanted to ask you to refrain from putting generic ship class images into articles about individual vessels, like in the ''[[Full Moon]]'' article. There is a less than 1% chance that this image is actually showing the ''Full Moon'' out of the 106 ''Potemkin''s ever built. Please only use images that are confirmed, or at least reasonably likely, to depict the specific vessel in question. I feel using generic images is like putting a regular ''Centurion'' image into the infobox of the ''Yen-Lo-Wang'' article just because ''Yen-Lo-Wang'' is a ''Centurion''. If there is no picture for a specific starship then so be it. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 15:07, 31 January 2021 (EST) ::Frappy, do you know the long ODDS of individual Warship picture to be created? Likelness is 1% it will ever be made. That's crazy Frabby. Unless something special is made, i think that sort policy is bit going too far. --[[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 19:36, 4 February 2021 (EST) :::How is that different from, say, most characters? Not everything has an image. Not every article has to have one. :::Article structure and infobox design heavily imply to depict the article's subject there, not a placeholder. My concern is that users will assume Sarna provides accurate information, and that's what we should aspire to. :::Using the ''[[Full Moon]]'' as an example, the image you inserted was that of a generic ''Potemkin'' in the 3057 style. But we don't know if it even looked similar to that. We can't even be sure it wasn't retained at the original 2750 style configuration. Yet that image clearly implies otherwise. That's conjecture at best, if not outright wrong. It's like uploading Lori Kalmar's picture to the Ella Grimm article because we dont't have a picture of Ella, so we're using a generic "woman from the Oberon Confederation" image instead. That's simply not accurate enough. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:19, 5 February 2021 (EST) :::::I'm afraid this where we have to '''"Agree, to disagree"'''. This a Warship, not a person with thinking mind or a unique one-off vessel. You can't capture EVERYTHING. I think your being too specific. This my personal view. Specially with BattleTech, Warships are least love units aside from ProtoMechs by some element of our fandom/gamedom. Warship is a Warship unless it's a variant. Frabby, the thing is that Full Moon, is a Clan 3057 version. Technical Readout: 3057 Revised spells it out that Clans changed their ships in this specific case. Mk39 looks like old Vincent from 2750. That's been established. Yet there now 2 kinds of McKennas. Completely different, like much of 2750 ships such as with Aegis specially, but again. 3057 Revised spell out which one is which when it happened. I think your going too far with this. Mjolnir for instance looks same as the sister ship. There no individual pictures of now destroyed second ship. As again, i think your being too picky. I say again, "Agree, to disagree". Your one main editors now here, i'm just some body who helps out since i can't complete in editing and my work isn't as close to people who those who here daily. What you say goes, i personally thing your going too far on dead end subject. I will do as you say, i think your in wrong this. I don't want be banned. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 15:43, 6 February 2021 (EST) ::::::Thank you for taking this in stride! I guess a Good Conduct Award is in order: [[File:GdCndct.jpg|Good Conduct Award, 1st ribbon]] ::::::For the record, though, I wouldn't have used the banhammer nor do I think I'm lording over people here on Sarna. You ''are'' a valued editor here, even when we mutually failed to convince the other of our respective opinion in this case. ;) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 15:22, 7 February 2021 (EST) == Image Categories == Hi Wrangler, Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Uncategorized files] not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 04:23, 8 March 2021 (EST) ::Pserratv, sorry say i was never involved with the map project. I would try directly speak with Nicjansma. He the one who been doing heavy lifting on the maps and such. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 19:57, 10 March 2021 (EST) == Recognition Guide: ilClan, vol. 15 == Hey, Wrangler! It's been a minute. Complete ignorance is the reason for this question: was this ''Guide'' put under a three-month moratorium by policy or was that a mistake? I thought the policy was for 2 months, but don't want to change it without checking with you. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 11:16, 9 May 2021 (EDT) ::I may have miss counted. These days I'm literately racing people posting on Sarna having to worry for someone else editing at same time as me.-- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 10:03, 21 May 2021 (EDT) ::Too many editors: good problem to have!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 11:23, 21 May 2021 (EDT) :::Not at the SAMETIME. It makes bit of a mess of the articles. Its partially why I am not as active as I once was. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 13:00, 21 May 2021 (EDT) ::::This is why keeping us editors that have been around for a long time locked away to our certain projects is maybe for the best some times lol. It's why I started up the [[BattleTechWiki:Project Clans|Project for the Clans]] that I did. Adds focus and clearly lays out whatever I'm (and others) are doing. of course I wish we could all be on a discord server like most bigger wiki project editors are, but alas.--[[User:Deadfire|Deadfire]] ([[User talk:Deadfire|talk]]) 14:21, 21 May 2021 (EDT) :::::"...I wish we could all be on a discord server..." ::::::"...we could all be on a discord server..." :::::::"...a discord server..." ::::::::...why not, Deadfire?--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 14:37, 21 May 2021 (EDT) :Sarna has a discord channel? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 15:19, 21 May 2021 (EDT) ::If we do I think it must be a secret!--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 16:14, 21 May 2021 (EDT) :::I'm sorry...I meant, "Why can't we"? --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 17:14, 21 May 2021 (EDT) ::::Well their easy to setup, personally i think Nic should be the one to set it up. So it stays officially Sarna.I've been on Discord related servers for years. However, we need reason to have one other than editors communicating better. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 20:16, 21 May 2021 (EDT) :::::I'm fairly sure Nic would be amenable to doing so, but we'd need someone to be the "Senior Editor" (so to speak) for moderation. (I really know next to nothing about the medium.) I'd recommend making a formal pitch/volunteer offer [https://www.sarna.net/forums/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/comments here].--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 20:34, 21 May 2021 (EDT) ::::::I've sent him the message about discord. Be adviced, I have been Admin on couple Discord Channels for various game servers i used to frequent. So i do understand how it works but i'm no expert nor do i have the time honestly help run one. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 20:44, 21 May 2021 (EDT) :::::::Yep, I understand. That's why whomever volunteers will probably persuade him with their organized pitch plan. I'd hope it would include the responsibility of forwarding any wiki-related issues back here. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 20:48, 21 May 2021 (EDT) ::::::::It's a great idea to try out at least! Here's the [https://discord.gg/CPjUMCbk36 invite]. I'll work on integrating it officially into the site more, but feel free to share. [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 23:00, 21 May 2021 (EDT) :::::::::Since I was funny enough the first person on the new Discord I [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/User_talk:Deadfire#Discord volunteer my userpage to further discuss]--[[User:Deadfire|Deadfire]] ([[User talk:Deadfire|talk]]) 01:18, 22 May 2021 (EDT) == Confirm good edit == Hey, Wrangler. Would you please confirm that [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=File:BattleMech_Manual_-_Cover.jpg&curid=79707&diff=683122&oldid=430955 this edit] is good? It catches my attention when an unregistered IP modifies something a long-established editor changes.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 06:41, 11 June 2021 (EDT) : November-mike...Cache saw my note to you and checked up on it. Thanks!--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] ^{([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])} 14:46, 11 June 2021 (EDT) ==Shrapnel title art== You attributed the Shrapnel title art to Kevin Coleman when you uploaded the image. What's the source for this? [[Special:Contributions/79.212.155.2|79.212.155.2]] 05:31, 12 September 2021 (EDT)<br> He's been doing all the covers since Sharpnel started. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 08:36, 13 September 2021 (EDT) : What is your source? --[[Special:Contributions/178.211.43.72|178.211.43.72]] 09:30, 13 September 2021 (EDT) :: It was the artist from previous Sharpnel book. Art style appear to be the same. To play it save, I am reaching out on the BattleTech Forums, to double check. Thank you for pointing out my flawed, assumption whom the artist is. They deserve to be recognized. I hope I haven't offended you.--[[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 10:56, 13 September 2021 (EDT) ::: Additionally, I'd like to say when uploaded the image, it did not include the artist. Cache added it. I had it as unknown artist if you look in the original upload history. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 10:59, 13 September 2021 (EDT)

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