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Line 1: − {{WikiProject Factions|tr=new}} − {{WikiProject UnfinishedBook}} ==Shot & Killed Waterly== ==Shot & Killed Waterly== *I have my doubts about this edit. I suspect I may be allowing a non-NPOV edit in by only <nowiki>{{cn}}-</nowiki>ing it. For some reason, I thought the [[ComStar (sourcebook)|ComStar sourcebook]] suggested she died a (coincidentally) natural death. While there are doubts as to the legitimacy of that reported death, unless it was specifically reported that she was shot & killed, then its all a guess. (She may have been poisoned or thrown down some stairs, if she ''was'' assassinated.) In any case, I'm gonna leave the <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> there for now, until I come across something solidly one way or the other. But, if anyone wanted to edit it to state that her death was reported as a natural one, but suspected of being fouled, then I'd have little complaint. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] 18:37, 3 February 2007 (CST) *I have my doubts about this edit. I suspect I may be allowing a non-NPOV edit in by only <nowiki>{{cn}}-</nowiki>ing it. For some reason, I thought the [[ComStar (sourcebook)|ComStar sourcebook]] suggested she died a (coincidentally) natural death. While there are doubts as to the legitimacy of that reported death, unless it was specifically reported that she was shot & killed, then its all a guess. (She may have been poisoned or thrown down some stairs, if she ''was'' assassinated.) In any case, I'm gonna leave the <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> there for now, until I come across something solidly one way or the other. But, if anyone wanted to edit it to state that her death was reported as a natural one, but suspected of being fouled, then I'd have little complaint. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] 18:37, 3 February 2007 (CST) Line 15:
Line 13: :::::::From re-listening to my audiobook copy of the third '''Blood of Kerensky''' novel ''Lost Destiny'' it seems pretty clear that Focht shot Waterly in the back, but since other sources (such as the ComStar sourcebook) indicate otherwise, it should be left in as the apparent cover-up of Waterly's death is one of the major bones of contention between the two factions. --[[User:Basara|Basara]] 14:52, 10 February 2007 (CST) :::::::From re-listening to my audiobook copy of the third '''Blood of Kerensky''' novel ''Lost Destiny'' it seems pretty clear that Focht shot Waterly in the back, but since other sources (such as the ComStar sourcebook) indicate otherwise, it should be left in as the apparent cover-up of Waterly's death is one of the major bones of contention between the two factions. --[[User:Basara|Basara]] 14:52, 10 February 2007 (CST) ::::::::Aha! See, now, you do have a more ''reliable'', canon source, in my mind. If the narration is [[w:Third-person narrative|third-person]] omniscient/dramatic or objective, then this is what /did/ happen, rather than how some person recounted it, such as with first- or second-person. The sourcebooks are written from a third-person objective style, but I'd judge that they weren't truly objective since they're compiled from an in-character source. If you can reference the book, then I'd say re-write it stating that she was killed when shot in the back, but ComStar maintains she resigned and died four days later. [[Link title]] ::::::::Aha! See, now, you do have a more ''reliable'', canon source, in my mind. If the narration is [[w:Third-person narrative|third-person]] omniscient/dramatic or objective, then this is what /did/ happen, rather than how some person recounted it, such as with first- or second-person. The sourcebooks are written from a third-person objective style, but I'd judge that they weren't truly objective since they're compiled from an in-character source. If you can reference the book, then I'd say re-write it stating that she was killed when shot in the back, but ComStar maintains she resigned and died four days later. [[Link title]] − :::::::::Well, I happen to own the (german translation) of the Michael A. Stackpole novel "Lost Destiny", and it describes the scene were Prima Myndo Waterly is shot (twice) by Praezentor Martialum Anastasius Focht. The scene even dwells further in "secrets", as Focht confronts the present Sharila Mori, accusing her of espionage for the Draconis Combine, which she admits to. Nevertheless he refuses to kill her for treason and recruits her to assist him with his dream of reforming ComStar (rationalizing it by his perceved lack of political skills which she should compensate). − ::::::::::The [[Intelligence Operations Handbook]], written by [[Wolfnet]], directly quotes part of that speech as well as stating Focht shot Waterly. The Focht portion of the Blake/Waterly/Focht/Blane diary side-bar towards the back of the [[BattleTech Compendium: Rules of Warfare]] also indicates he shot her. [[User:Cyc|Cyc]] 15:25, 17 February 2009 (PST) − :::::::::::Well, after some canon sources, proofing that Waterly indeed was shot by Focht, were cited, shall we make the edit? ==BattleTech 3056 MUSE== ==BattleTech 3056 MUSE== Line 32:
Line 27: :They subverted the crews of the Free Worlds League ships and discovered the Ruins of Gabriel, which apparently had a lot of mothballed ships... or something. Start [http://forums.classicbattletech.com/index.php/topic,1478.0.html here] and [http://forums.classicbattletech.com/index.php/topic,661.0.html here] for theories. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 09:38, 19 September 2007 (CDT) :They subverted the crews of the Free Worlds League ships and discovered the Ruins of Gabriel, which apparently had a lot of mothballed ships... or something. Start [http://forums.classicbattletech.com/index.php/topic,1478.0.html here] and [http://forums.classicbattletech.com/index.php/topic,661.0.html here] for theories. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 09:38, 19 September 2007 (CDT) − − ::They also reportedly with their yardships were able to recover and restore warships that had been destroyed in the Periphery Uprising and the War Against the Usurper prior to the fall of the Star League.{{unsigned|172.90.88.102|21:08, 22 May 2021}} − − == "WoB" == − − I would like to propose that it is, for the most part, inappropriate to use the term "WoB" in an actual article. There may be specific canon instances where the expression is used, and that's fine. Outside of those articles, however, WoB should only be used in talk/discussion pages. Do people disagree? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 06:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC) − :I have no objection to that. There's plenty of other abbreviations to use. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 00:22, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
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*I have my doubts about this edit. I suspect I may be allowing a non-NPOV edit in by only <nowiki>{{cn}}-</nowiki>ing it. For some reason, I thought the [[ComStar (sourcebook)|ComStar sourcebook]] suggested she died a (coincidentally) natural death. While there are doubts as to the legitimacy of that reported death, unless it was specifically reported that she was shot & killed, then its all a guess. (She may have been poisoned or thrown down some stairs, if she ''was'' assassinated.) In any case, I'm gonna leave the <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> there for now, until I come across something solidly one way or the other. But, if anyone wanted to edit it to state that her death was reported as a natural one, but suspected of being fouled, then I'd have little complaint. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] 18:37, 3 February 2007 (CST) | *I have my doubts about this edit. I suspect I may be allowing a non-NPOV edit in by only <nowiki>{{cn}}-</nowiki>ing it. For some reason, I thought the [[ComStar (sourcebook)|ComStar sourcebook]] suggested she died a (coincidentally) natural death. While there are doubts as to the legitimacy of that reported death, unless it was specifically reported that she was shot & killed, then its all a guess. (She may have been poisoned or thrown down some stairs, if she ''was'' assassinated.) In any case, I'm gonna leave the <nowiki>{{cn}}</nowiki> there for now, until I come across something solidly one way or the other. But, if anyone wanted to edit it to state that her death was reported as a natural one, but suspected of being fouled, then I'd have little complaint. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] 18:37, 3 February 2007 (CST) | ||
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:::::::From re-listening to my audiobook copy of the third '''Blood of Kerensky''' novel ''Lost Destiny'' it seems pretty clear that Focht shot Waterly in the back, but since other sources (such as the ComStar sourcebook) indicate otherwise, it should be left in as the apparent cover-up of Waterly's death is one of the major bones of contention between the two factions. --[[User:Basara|Basara]] 14:52, 10 February 2007 (CST) | :::::::From re-listening to my audiobook copy of the third '''Blood of Kerensky''' novel ''Lost Destiny'' it seems pretty clear that Focht shot Waterly in the back, but since other sources (such as the ComStar sourcebook) indicate otherwise, it should be left in as the apparent cover-up of Waterly's death is one of the major bones of contention between the two factions. --[[User:Basara|Basara]] 14:52, 10 February 2007 (CST) | ||
::::::::Aha! See, now, you do have a more ''reliable'', canon source, in my mind. If the narration is [[w:Third-person narrative|third-person]] omniscient/dramatic or objective, then this is what /did/ happen, rather than how some person recounted it, such as with first- or second-person. The sourcebooks are written from a third-person objective style, but I'd judge that they weren't truly objective since they're compiled from an in-character source. If you can reference the book, then I'd say re-write it stating that she was killed when shot in the back, but ComStar maintains she resigned and died four days later. [[Link title]] | ::::::::Aha! See, now, you do have a more ''reliable'', canon source, in my mind. If the narration is [[w:Third-person narrative|third-person]] omniscient/dramatic or objective, then this is what /did/ happen, rather than how some person recounted it, such as with first- or second-person. The sourcebooks are written from a third-person objective style, but I'd judge that they weren't truly objective since they're compiled from an in-character source. If you can reference the book, then I'd say re-write it stating that she was killed when shot in the back, but ComStar maintains she resigned and died four days later. [[Link title]] | ||
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:They subverted the crews of the Free Worlds League ships and discovered the Ruins of Gabriel, which apparently had a lot of mothballed ships... or something. Start [http://forums.classicbattletech.com/index.php/topic,1478.0.html here] and [http://forums.classicbattletech.com/index.php/topic,661.0.html here] for theories. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 09:38, 19 September 2007 (CDT) | :They subverted the crews of the Free Worlds League ships and discovered the Ruins of Gabriel, which apparently had a lot of mothballed ships... or something. Start [http://forums.classicbattletech.com/index.php/topic,1478.0.html here] and [http://forums.classicbattletech.com/index.php/topic,661.0.html here] for theories. [[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 09:38, 19 September 2007 (CDT) | ||
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