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== First Major Project of 2013 - Rewritten: 4th Skye Rangers ==

"So CW - What have you been up to these last few weeks?" 

I give you [[4th Skye Rangers]].

There are a bunch of reasons why I took this on. One was because I was always interested in these guys, who were the "villains" in two novels (Heir to the Dragon and the Dying Time), and only succeeded in "freeing" Skye with their own disbandment. Such a curious history!

The next was to show why I use the Update Needed tags the way I do. When i put one up, I don't usually mean to put one sentence from one particular publication. I want to put the whole thing in context. Since I found many unused references to the Fourth Skye, I decided to use them. 

Another reason (and its bothered me awhile) was the whole "Lyran Rangers" controversy. At one point, some well intentioned individual named the article the Lyran Rangers, in the context that the Fourth Skye were sort of the pre-Lyran Rangers of the Dark Age era. This was somewhat understandable based on the ''Storm Hammers MW:DA Dossier'', but was ultimately refuted in ''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''. It also bothered me that a fairly famous unit was being reduced to a "Dark Age pre-unit". I address this issue in the context of the article. These are different though related units, and I deal with that.
Another reason I chose the 4th Skye - I don't want to be known as the "Wolf's Dragoons guy". :P

I always like to challenge myself with these articles, so I really tried to nail my reference formatting. Some have commented my articles are overly-lengthy in the past, and its a fair criticism. I try to present everything from the subject's perspective. If there was a five regiment on four regiment battle, yes, I name all nine regiments. But again, I keep the proper perspective. Now given that there were two novels involved, there was a lot of material. I broke it up as best I could, and as always, Doneve's pics really help.

So there you have it. Feedback of all kinds is always welcome. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:51, 21 January 2013 (PST)

:I really liked it, but that's not unusual, or likely, helpful, so I'll go on a bit.  It was long, but they have a long history, and you did summarize many things a best you could I see.  It's not hard to imagine this article as being 50% longer than even now - which would really be excessive.  As Rev pointed out on his talk page (I eavesdrop a lot, but it's all for learning purposes, I assure you!), far better to have a lot of material than to have summarized the life and soul out of one of the history of one of the IS's most prominent units.
:If expanding beyond the "Wolf's Dragoons Guy" label was a goal, then you are getting close to escape velocity.  Excelsior!
:The ToC is long, but that's fine, linking to sections in this will greatly aid related articles yet to be produced or perfected.  
:Your use of images related to the different sections of their history (as done in other articles) makes me look at my articles as bland.  I need to go back and color them up.  I also dug on and have used pics on the left, too.  Breaking up the left to right motion of reading in this way actually helps your readers psychologically.  Can't throw down the hard science of that, but it was something my writing prof used to tell me.  Later, I'll go through my older articles and put in a few more relevant images to help them get up to par.  I'd do that now, but I need to stop stalling on Perigard Zalman. ;)  He'll be out next.  I might have need of discussion regarding a few things like that in the future.  If so, I'll leave it here bellow in a new heading.  Sometimes the freedom we have in crafting these articles can be a little daunting in and of itself.  --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 20:43, 10 February 2013 (PST)
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-== 2017 Year in Review ==
+== First Major Project of 2013 - Rewritten: 4th Skye Rangers ==
-Hey - sorry i've been away. I've got caught up in some other games that have captured my creative interests. I'm hoping something re-ignites my interest in CBT in the coming year. Regardless, i'm proud of what people have accomplished with Sarna. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 02:42, 4 January 2018 (EST)
-== Profession box position shortening ==
+"So CW - What have you been up to these last few weeks?"
-Hey CW,
+I give you [[4th Skye Rangers]].
-I have just reverted your edit to the [[Elizabeth Nichole]] article and thought I should explain my thinking. A characters overview it should be pointed out that they are a Colonel in a mercenary command (and name said command) but I feel the infobox has no discernible need for the ''mercenary'' appellation since her affiliation is stated as [[Wolf's Dragoons]] directly above in the affiliation box via a wikilink. At the level of a Colonel it is a minor quibble but a lot of the better known characters and state leaders infobox's become quite unwieldy so I am trying to set a precedent of being short and concise.
+There are a bunch of reasons why I took this on. One was because I was always interested in these guys, who were the "villains" in two novels (Heir to the Dragon and the Dying Time), and only succeeded in "freeing" Skye with their own disbandment. Such a curious history!
-[[Archon-Prince]] of the [[Federated Commonwealth]] or [[saKhan]] of [[Clan Smoke Jaguar]] are perfect examples of titles that can be shortened without sacrificing information.
+The next was to show why I use the Update Needed tags the way I do. When i put one up, I don't usually mean to put one sentence from one particular publication. I want to put the whole thing in context. Since I found many unused references to the Fourth Skye, I decided to use them.
-As a side note it is on my to do list to eventually make faction specific Khan / saKhan articled as part of my [[:Category:Titles and Positions]] project but it is a way off at the moment.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 05:57, 2 August 2019 (EDT)
+Another reason (and its bothered me awhile) was the whole "Lyran Rangers" controversy. At one point, some well intentioned individual named the article the Lyran Rangers, in the context that the Fourth Skye were sort of the pre-Lyran Rangers of the Dark Age era. This was somewhat understandable based on the ''Storm Hammers MW:DA Dossier'', but was ultimately refuted in ''[[Field Manual: 3085]]''. It also bothered me that a fairly famous unit was being reduced to a "Dark Age pre-unit". I address this issue in the context of the article. These are different though related units, and I deal with that.
-:Dmon - I'm not sure i agree with that application, but if that is how we are doing it now, i understand. 09:08, 2 August 2019 (EDT)
+Another reason I chose the 4th Skye - I don't want to be known as the "Wolf's Dragoons guy". :P
-::If you disagree feel free to propose a different method, and if I think it is better I will adopt that instead. My primary objective is to try and bring all character infobox's to a common standard and methodology.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:52, 2 August 2019 (EDT)
-== Irwin Tyrell ==
+I always like to challenge myself with these articles, so I really tried to nail my reference formatting. Some have commented my articles are overly-lengthy in the past, and its a fair criticism. I try to present everything from the subject's perspective. If there was a five regiment on four regiment battle, yes, I name all nine regiments. But again, I keep the proper perspective. Now given that there were two novels involved, there was a lot of material. I broke it up as best I could, and as always, Doneve's pics really help.
-[[Irwin Tyrell]] is up. First new article in... a rather long time. Its nice to be back. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 17:58, 8 August 2019 (EDT)
+So there you have it. Feedback of all kinds is always welcome. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:51, 21 January 2013 (PST)
-== Neil Parella ==
+:I really liked it, but that's not unusual, or likely, helpful, so I'll go on a bit.  It was long, but they have a long history, and you did summarize many things a best you could I see.  It's not hard to imagine this article as being 50% longer than even now - which would really be excessive.  As Rev pointed out on his talk page (I eavesdrop a lot, but it's all for learning purposes, I assure you!), far better to have a lot of material than to have summarized the life and soul out of one of the history of one of the IS's most prominent units.
+:If expanding beyond the "Wolf's Dragoons Guy" label was a goal, then you are getting close to escape velocity.  Excelsior!
-[[Neil Parella]] is up. I love Robert Chareette characters. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 21:36, 22 August 2019 (EDT)
+:The ToC is long, but that's fine, linking to sections in this will greatly aid related articles yet to be produced or perfected.
+:Your use of images related to the different sections of their history (as done in other articles) makes me look at my articles as bland.  I need to go back and color them up.  I also dug on and have used pics on the left, too.  Breaking up the left to right motion of reading in this way actually helps your readers psychologically.  Can't throw down the hard science of that, but it was something my writing prof used to tell me.  Later, I'll go through my older articles and put in a few more relevant images to help them get up to par.  I'd do that now, but I need to stop stalling on Perigard Zalman. ;)  He'll be out next.  I might have need of discussion regarding a few things like that in the future.  If so, I'll leave it here bellow in a new heading.  Sometimes the freedom we have in crafting these articles can be a little daunting in and of itself.  --[[User:Rebs|Rebs]] ([[User talk:Rebs|talk]]) 20:43, 10 February 2013 (PST)
-== Zoomer - new article ==
-The [[Zoomer]] is up. This one is tricky, since it doesn't have statistics or even a proper name. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 19:42, 26 August 2019 (EDT)
-==Military affiliations==
-Hi ClanWolverine, I don't think we've met yet but I've seen lots of your work over the years and respect your contributions to the wiki. I just want to ask about some mass tweaks you've been recently making to character articles such as [[https://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Ethan_Kuhn&diff=prev&oldid=1065336 this one]]. While in most cases you're not wrong (there have been a few that you accidentally attributed to the wrong state/military), I feel like it's bloating the article leads with somewhat redundant information. Nearly every military character in the FedSuns or Lyran Commonwealth who lived around the mid-31st century will have been associated with 2 or 3 militaries if not more. The characters are already linked to their factions in the infobox and categories, and if a user clicks on the commands they were assigned to, they'll see further associations there. Do you have any particular rationale for putting it in there? Thanks, [[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 04:11, 4 April 2024 (EDT)
-: Thank you for reaching out. I'm rather a sticker for details like that. The AFFC, at its peak, was distinct from the AFFS and the LCAF. I genuinely believe that it is important to add those tags where relevant. I realize they may feel redundant in some cases, but I feel it is an important distinction. The tag already existed, a
-: If I tagged some characters in error, i do apologize.
-: Is this an adequate explanation? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 23:42, 27 April 2024 (EDT)