User talk:Trifler

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Unseen/Reseen

Hi Trifler,

first off, thanks for explaining your position. Please don't consider my input an attack against you.

I think there is an underlying misunderstanding here regarding the definition of "reseen" based on what you wrote in the Wolverine article:

"The (original) Wolverine was one of the Unseen Mech designs. It was re-released with new artwork as one of the Reseen, but is otherwise identical."

...because that's not correct. It wasn't re-released. The Projec Phoenix 'Mechs are new, additional variants. And they aren't identical, they - being advanced variants with 3067 technology - have quite different stats from their unseen parent designs.

BattleTech's original Wolverine is the Succession Wars-era WVR-6R. Its visual appearance and that of its contemporary variants is that of a Dougram T10B Blockhead, and FASA agreed not to use this artwork after 1994. As a consequence, the Wolverine continued to exist in BattleTech but it could not be shown anymore in FASA publications. As a way out of this dilemma FanPro's 2003 Technical Readout: Project Phoenix established that around the year 3067 a new, upgraded version of the Wolverine appeared, the WVR-8K. It looks very different from a WVR-6R (which continues to look like it alyways did, and thus remains unseen). The important part here is that the WVR-6R and WVR-8K are two different 'Mechs, the latter being an evolution of the former and not a re-release. In the timeline past 3067, Wolverines would usually be of the -8K variant or derivative variants. Since they looked differently, they could be shown. That was the ooc reason behind the whole TRO:PP.

Now what is a "Reseen"?
At first people called the Project Phoenix (PP) 'Mechs "reseen" - because they were variants of the unseen that, because of their visual changes, could legally be shown anymore and weren't unseen anymore.
But since then some events muddied the waters: Around 2009, CGL thought for a brief time that they had secured the rights to the unseen imagery. All "unseen" 'Mechs were "reseen" again. So now the term "Reseen" applied to both the PP 'Mechs and the original unseen.
Next, CGL found out that they had not, in fact, (re)acquired the rights to some of the original unseen. As a consequence, some (but not all) became unseen *again*. Of these, the Ostscout, Ostroc and Ostsol were later deemed to be visually sufficiently different from the contested images that they became un-unseen *again*, and in this sense, "reseen".

MWO is not in a position to add canonical content to the BT universe so their treatment of the issue is not a valid argument.

Hope that clears it up a bit. :) Frabby (talk) 07:30, 18 August 2014 (PDT)