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It's based on the FM:U. According to the FM:U, more than a third of the AFFS units are considered elite and many more of them are ratred veteran. This includes quite a few march militias (like the New Syrtis CMM) and training cadres (like the NAIS cadres). In addition, the AFFS has by far more Clan-Tech equipment than the LAAF (of course) or the DCMS. According to the RATs in the FM:U, the AFFS also fields more new designs than any other military in the IS (except the remaining former Invading Clans, of course). I agree that it's totally nuts, but it's actually the canon BT-universe.

(This is the original editor that changed the page back (DeSaints) but I'm having trouble signing in) Try not to take anything I say with offense but I disagree with how the edit was writen. I don't believe the edit was written for a neutral point of view (not saying it was intentional) and while I can agree that some information is certainly canon it is written from a skewed perspective. Allow me to explain.

Quote: "Generally, the AFFS is notable for being the only military organization in the Inner Sphere, that consists almost exlusively of Elite or Veteran rated troops. In fact, even many of its militia units and trainings cadres are considered Elite or Veteran troops by the AFFS High Command."

Response: As you stated you source is FM:U. Note that this is set in 3067, just when the FedCom Civil War had just ended. Its taking a snap shot of the AFFS just as it exited a several years long war involving most of its units including training units and March Militias. This would be the primary reason behind their high skill levels. However if you look at other sources that give us info on their ratings from time points like 3025, 3062, and 3085 you'll see that the normal level is Green with a few notable Regular rated units when it comes to training and March Militia units. Indeed even the front line forces are composed of Green to Elite troops. Also your your response of "more than a third" of their troops being Elite or Veteran doesn't exactly match the meaning of "almost exclusively" too well. With that in mind while ti would be fair to maybe note in the article that the entirety of the AFFS was much more skilled overall following the Civil War, it gives off misleading information to state that the AFFS " consists almost exclusively of Elite or Veteran rated troops" in the opening piece of the page.

Quote: "The AFFS receives only the best and most expensive equipment available in vast amounts, which the Federated Suns can't neither afford nor produce."

Response: In my opinion this piece of the edit, while having legitimate connotations, just seems to be very generalized. For the first part perhaps it would be better to say that the AFFS receives large quantities of upgraded and new equipment as opposed to "best and most expensive" which is quite debatable and frankly does skews the article from a neutral point of view. As for the AFFS being unable to afford or produce said equipment, I have to say that is simply not true. Several sources show the AFFS producing upgraded technologies and mechs,aerospace fighters, and armor vehicles with said upgraded technologies included in them. And I don't believe we have any products to date telling us that the AFFS cannot afford to buy and use upgraded technologies. As for your response I should mention that it has been mentioned by the line developers (i.e. the guys that make stuff canon for BT) on the Battletech forums that RATS are not considered a canon source of any unit's or army's make up. (For example in FM:FS just because the B tech level RAT table has a CES-3R Caesar at 7 doesn't necessarily mean a B-tech level unit's heavy mech will consist of 16.67% Caesars, its just to give "flavor" to units)

Quote "The AFFS also salvaged by far more Clan-Tech during Operation BIRD DOG than other militaries, which fought the Clans for years. Remarkably, some AFFS regiments are equipped with more Clan-Tech than most Clan-secondline-clusters."

Response Okay, so I agree that the AFFS salvaged a figurative ton (and literally a lot more than that) of Clan Tech, so my only issue with the first part is I think it was Bull Dog with Bird Dog being its tiny guerrilla war precursor. And while I'm not arguing that the AFFS might have more Clan Tech than the LAAF or DCMS during 3067 that may be debatable during later periods. Also the AFFS having more Clan Tech "than most second-line clusters" is extremely debatable. Which clusters? What time period? Those questions change the answer every time. Even during 3067 (year of FM:U) the AFFS may have more Clan Tech that a few second line clusters but I feel saying "most" is way to generous and again skews the neutrality of the page's information.

Sorry for the essay sized response but hopefully you can see my reasoning behind wanting to change back the page's edit. Again, I understand that your is technically canon but it unfairly portrays the AFFS as some uber army and in my view does not stick with the Wiki's intent to keep pages neutral and informative in nature. Perhaps simply making note's within the article explaining the AFFS's tech level and skill during 3067 would be more appropriate. I'm going to reverse it again with all this in mind, you don't have to agree with everything I said but perhaps you can just take into account what I said. Thanks.

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