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::Indeed it is a very much real world problem that has spilled over, I very strongly think that [[Major (Castillan Principalities)]] is the wrong way to do this unless we plan to update every single rank on the entire wiki though.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 16:00, 10 February 2019 (EST)
 
::Indeed it is a very much real world problem that has spilled over, I very strongly think that [[Major (Castillan Principalities)]] is the wrong way to do this unless we plan to update every single rank on the entire wiki though.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 16:00, 10 February 2019 (EST)
 
:::The reason to do this major think is because all ranks in that page which are major redirect to Major (Commander, Sho-sa...). And to redirect Major to Captain for the Castillian Principalities I thought a redirect was also needed and created it this way.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 16:02, 10 February 2019 (EST)
 
:::The reason to do this major think is because all ranks in that page which are major redirect to Major (Commander, Sho-sa...). And to redirect Major to Captain for the Castillian Principalities I thought a redirect was also needed and created it this way.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 16:02, 10 February 2019 (EST)
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::::You need to stop thinking of Major automaticcaly commands a Battalion. A major from the CP is still a Major, the difference is that major only commands a Company not a Battalion.  The CP is still called a major... And the [[Major]] article is about the rank Major, not specifically the command of Battalion sized units.. If that makes any sense at all.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 16:09, 10 February 2019 (EST)

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Deletion request

Hello Dmon, can please delete all my pages in the list below. I decide for myself to delete all the old stuff and for new stuff in the future I will communicate about the topics with the admins and other user. My goal is cooperation and not like in the past single work without proper quality. neuling

Ranks

I've started a review about the information available for the in-universe rank structure, and I imagined, there are several ranks which are user very differently depending on the country (roughtly what happens with regular real army). For example, in the Castillan Principalities a "Captain" is called "Major", and commands a company of troops, while for many other countries a Major is a Battalion leader... Which is the suggested way to work throught this? A "disambiguation page" like the one existing for Commander? That said, I'm fairy sure now Major is called in several pages and moving the page could be a pain to track via wiki. Any suggestions?--Pserratv (talk) 11:41, 10 February 2019 (EST)

And on top of that, only seen in twice, rank ÖverCaptain, means more than captain, in Battletech something like a Battalion Leader... the term is swedish and hard to pinpoint... it is used only in the Arms of Thor mercenary unit...--Pserratv (talk) 11:47, 10 February 2019 (EST)
I think the easiest way to handle this one is to keep it super simple. A Major is still a Major and the article reflects this:

"Depending on the faction, officers holding this rank typically command battalions or act as the executive officer of a larger formation. They also act as staff officers, handling logistics, intelligence, etc. for their units."

So the line in the article under Castillan Principalities would state that a Major commands a Company in their armed forces and Comandante and ÖverCaptain have their own small articles. Failing that, the hard way is to trigger a review of the whole system and restructure tge parent article to be Battallion Commander and have various ranks redirect there and make use of stuff like "Captain (CP)  # Battalion Commander # Castillan Principalities | Captain." That does seem like a nightmare though.--Dmon (talk) 12:09, 10 February 2019 (EST)
If ÖverCaptain does essentially mean Battalion Leader it could be fitted into the Major article under "Other Factions > Arms of Thor" possibly, simply because "Over Captain is well... The rank above a Captain :-p .--Dmon (talk) 12:17, 10 February 2019 (EST)

I think this is a real-world problem that spilled over into BattleTech, and not a BT-specific problem. For example, took me ages to realize that a US Lieutenant is the functional equivalent of a present-day German Hauptmann (Captain), while the German Leutnant is the equivalent of a US Ensign. Check Wikipedia for military ranks in NATO (the O-somethings). Frabby (talk) 14:47, 10 February 2019 (EST)

I fully agree this is a real think: every army has its own ranks, and as battletech ranks were made thinking on basic actual Military ranks... this gets crazy. What I'll do is create Major (Castillan Principalities) as a redirect to the captain page, and treat overcaptain as you said. And then I'll review ranks and ranks and enjoy it.--Pserratv (talk) 15:57, 10 February 2019 (EST)
Indeed it is a very much real world problem that has spilled over, I very strongly think that Major (Castillan Principalities) is the wrong way to do this unless we plan to update every single rank on the entire wiki though.--Dmon (talk) 16:00, 10 February 2019 (EST)
The reason to do this major think is because all ranks in that page which are major redirect to Major (Commander, Sho-sa...). And to redirect Major to Captain for the Castillian Principalities I thought a redirect was also needed and created it this way.--Pserratv (talk) 16:02, 10 February 2019 (EST)
You need to stop thinking of Major automaticcaly commands a Battalion. A major from the CP is still a Major, the difference is that major only commands a Company not a Battalion. The CP is still called a major... And the Major article is about the rank Major, not specifically the command of Battalion sized units.. If that makes any sense at all.--Dmon (talk) 16:09, 10 February 2019 (EST)

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