User talk:Dmon


Project List[edit]


Trade Associations[edit]

Everybody probably loves my belated afterthoughts; but wouldn’t "Mercantile Association" be a better term? Also, what about overlap with similar organisations like Political Organizations (eg. BranthKeepers]])? Frabby (talk) 07:53, 12 January 2022 (EST)

I had to actually look it up before posting last night and Trade Association is the correct term. Suprisingly Trade Association has an article on wikipedia and loads of hits on ecosia (my favored search engine) but plugging Mercantile Association into ecosia our own Ozawa Mercantile Association article comes up as the fourth spot. As for overlap, it is pretty huge and we very likely could do without the TA category, but I feel it is worth having just to seperate stuff like the MRBC and Solaris Gaming Commission out from stuff like Democracy Now or Free Skye.--Dmon (talk) 08:40, 12 January 2022 (EST)

Special Pilot Abilities[edit]

Why do you think the page should be deleted. Just not to waste energy on it.--Pserratv (talk) 07:49, 20 January 2022 (EST)

Was ust putting an explanation on the talk page actually.. Talk:Special Pilot Abilities.--Dmon (talk) 07:50, 20 January 2022 (EST)

Delete pages 2022 I[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Can you delete these categories:

Thanks!--Pserratv (talk) 04:28, 24 January 2022 (EST)

Will do sir!--Dmon (talk) 05:10, 24 January 2022 (EST)
Please, take this one out too: Category:Individual Capellan Confederation WarShips. Thanks in advance.--Pserratv (talk) 05:40, 24 January 2022 (EST)


Hi Dmon,

Not sure if you did the change, but the color of InfoBoxFirearm is not giving good contract with letters in black, at least for me it is a bit more complex to read? Could we change the color of the box?

Regards, Pere Serrat--Pserratv (talk) 12:55, 24 January 2022 (EST)

hey PS, we didn't have an infoBox at all so FireArms is one I have in development, I thought it might be cool to have a "camo green" shade for the infantry weapons but it does not really work. I shall find a lighter shade.--Dmon (talk) 02:34, 25 January 2022 (EST)
The idea is superb, the only thing is the detail on the color that makes it reading very complex!--Pserratv (talk) 05:44, 25 January 2022 (EST)
I have changed the color to a lighter shade that hopfully works better.--Dmon (talk) 05:47, 25 January 2022 (EST)
Great, it looks perfect and readable!--Pserratv (talk) 05:56, 25 January 2022 (EST)

Uncategorized categories[edit]

This category Uncategorized categories is getting bigger. I'm trying to group some of them, but sincerely I do not know how to make it better... I feel some of them if not most can be part of an existing category.--Pserratv (talk) 05:45, 25 January 2022 (EST)

I would not worry too much about it. Most of them are wiki functions rather than editor stuff or are fairly self contained, Category:BattleTech Universe Products for example is intended as a "top of the ladder" category that covers product ever made that canbe associated with BT. Some, like Category:Characters and Category:Stellar Cartography could possibly go up one step to say Category:BattleTech Universe but after that I think that is the top of that ladder as well.--Dmon (talk) 05:58, 25 January 2022 (EST)
Some of it, like Category:BattleTech Publications Record Property is Deadfire doing... something. Deadfire is fantastic at wiki code but I have no idea what he is aiming for, certainly not having useful features or fixing things we need. The best way to describe my conversations with him on the subject would be:
  • Me - "Deadfire, what does that code you just put on the wiki do?"
  • DF - "Pressing the A key on your keyboard to type the letter A is great, now we have 17 new ways to type the letter A, each one much more complicated than simply pressing the A key. Isn't that an amazing feature to have?"
  • Me - "But why?"
  • DF - "Because it makes the wiki much better having 18 ways to type the letter A"
  • Me - (facepalm)

--Dmon (talk) 06:16, 25 January 2022 (EST)

RE: Battle of Nashira[edit]

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction! The First FedSuns Lancers' part of the battle of 3039 already had a lot of wordy details that didn't pertain to the unit, so trimming it down was essential. Starting work on the Nashira article now! Mage (talk) 10:13, 25 January 2022 (EST)

I thought it might be something you would be interestedcin,--Dmon (talk) 10:55, 25 January 2022 (EST)

Appreciate it! The formatting didn't make sense to me but looks way better now. Making a mental note of it! Mage (talk) 20:10, 26 January 2022 (EST)

House Humphreys family tree[edit]

Since you're pretty much the expert, I wanted to raise the position of Samuel Humphreys with you in the family tree on the House Humphreys page. It says Morgaine, Catherine's aunt, would have had two unknown siblings. But we don't know that. Samuel could be Morgaine's child (and not be eligible as her successor for some reason; we know that Morgaine pretty much groomed Catherine to succeed her anyways so maybe he simply didn't want the job). Or am I missing some information?

Sidenote, according to the one of the German-only Andurien Wars novels Catherine sent her son Richard into exile after Dalma's birth and he lived with his uncle Samuel on Kanata, an ancient Humphreys fief, for a time. Unless that uncle was on his (unnamed) father's side, I presume that might have been Samuel Humphreys, cousin not sibling to Richard's mother. By extension, it could thus be speculated that Delburton is on Kanata. Frabby (talk) 10:51, 28 January 2022 (EST)

Hey Frabby, I am away from my books right now but if memory serves, I listed two unknown siblings because the original source for Samuel lists him as "first cousin" to Catherine but makes no mention of Morgaine. Samuel could very well be Morgaines son, but the real world tends to have a social hierarchy that would make "son of former duchess" more notable than "first cousin of current duchess", So I have assumed that two siblings exist(ed). The truth of the matter is that nobody at FASA did any family trees beyond the big 6.
The stuff from that Andurien Wars novel sounds like it could be slotted into canon pretty easily, I wonder what else we have on Kanata.--Dmon (talk) 13:40, 28 January 2022 (EST)

Delete pages 2022 II[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Can you delete this file: "File:Natasha Kerensky MA2LW.jpg" I did upload it incorrectly and amended it... but now I cannot delete it :)--Pserratv (talk) 04:20, 15 February 2022 (EST)

Do you mean the Natalia one as I can't find a Natasha one?--Dmon (talk) 04:48, 15 February 2022 (EST)

Natalia Kerensky MA2LW.jpg

It was my mistake. I uploaded Natasha when it was Natalia. I do not know of Natasha Kerensky appearing in MechAssault 2 Lone Wolf.--Pserratv (talk) 06:58, 17 February 2022 (EST)

Renaming Files[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Is there any way to rename a file and ensure all links are not broken? I've seen several flag banners incorrectly named which mixes things a lot in my mind, but I do not want to cause disaster by renaming them... and I mean renaming so they are ordered correctly... any suggestion?--Pserratv (talk) 03:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)

Infobox Suggestions[edit]

Hello, Dmon!
I seem to recall you inviting feedback on infoboxes for various things. If this is the wrong place for this one, I ask you kindly redirect me to the proper place:
For the Planet infobox, "Jump Point distance" is given as just a number. There is no ready context for what that number means. Whenever we get around to updating that infobox, could it act similarly to the BattleMech infobox (which appends km/h) and append "days at 1G"? I realize that is technically "days at 1G with turnover at midpoint" but that would be a bit much. --Talvin (talk) 15:26, 12 March 2022 (EST)

Perfect place for it as on discord thing vanish over time! I think it is a good idea as well, exactly the kind of input I want.--Dmon (talk) 03:28, 13 March 2022 (EDT)

Removed defunct Titles and Positions table[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Just saw you deleted a table with this comment: "Removed defunct Titles and Positions table". When was this decided? Because I've been adding it from time to time so...--Pserratv (talk) 11:51, 14 March 2022 (EDT)

It has been on the cards for quite a long time, The tables where my first real attempt at charting the various titles and positions but they where always very clunky. Now that we have articles filled out for most titles and positions that fit neatly into the infobox the shift can finally be made. There is a loss in functionallity but the tables also has some severe problems when the same person filled a position more than once.--Dmon (talk) 12:02, 14 March 2022 (EDT)

House Marsden[edit]

Quick Q: Should Alexandre Marsden get some sort of mention in House Marsden? --Talvin (talk) 10:39, 15 March 2022 (EDT)

Given that we have no link, I would say no.--Dmon (talk) 11:40, 15 March 2022 (EDT)
Fair 'nuff.--Talvin (talk) 11:41, 15 March 2022 (EDT)

Delete pages 2022 II[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Can you please delete these two categories:

Thanks.--Pserratv (talk) 10:13, 18 March 2022 (EDT)

Senators of the Republic of the Sphere[edit]

Heya, Dmon,

Gonna start by copypasting my comment from the talk page for Senator of Augustine: "So, we have a Canon Conflict issue, here. Dark Age: Republic of the Sphere, p. 3 - "The Senate" says, and I quote, "The citizens of each Prefecture elect three to four Senators—depending upon the number of worlds in the Prefecture—to serve in the Senate." Same source, it is "a body of thirty to forty individuals". At its height, the RoS had over 200 systems divided into ten Prefectures, Roman numerals I through X. I think the Senator was from Augustine, but would have served as Senator of the Prefecture in which Augustine lay: Prefecture VII. I lack most of the Republic source material, so I am going to hold off until someone with better sources can cross-check me on this. I am open to the possibility that the canon also directly contradicts itself on this issue: the whole thing seems a muddled mess."

I have looked into it some more, and by comparing Senators with known origins to which Prefecture their world lies in, I came up with this: User:Talvin/Other Projects#Senators_and_Prefectures. It appears to check out, accounting for not all of these people being in office at the same time, and for not all Senators being named/known.

You created the office pages for "Senator of", and before I upended that, I wanted to touch base with you, see how you feel about either moving the existing ones to "Senator of Prefecture [Roman Numeral]", or else just merging them into the relevant Prefecture pages.--Talvin (talk) 11:07, 26 March 2022 (EDT)

Main issue is I remember seeing senators refered to as "Senator from" and "Senator of" but it has ALWAYS been a planet NEVER a prefecture unless ih as been written "senator xxxx from xxx in prefecture x", I own all of the source material, so eventually I am going to go back and double check. As is I am not sure why you need to copy paste this onto all of the other senator articles?--Dmon (talk) 12:47, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
"As is I am not sure why you need to copy paste this onto all of the other senator articles?" Yeah, neither am I? I copied from the discussion that I put on that particular page, because that is the one I was working on at the time. I brought it over here for clarity. Except I don't see how that relates to your statement, so...can you please clarify?--Talvin (talk) 12:54, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
I read that as you saying that you where going to copy paste that comment onto all of the senator articles because you believe they are incorrect... Rereading it, I myself am now a little confused as to why I interpreted it as that.... Literally just home from work and very obviously my brain has not restarted yet....
Anyway, back to the actual issue. I am pretty sure it is a case of canon contradicting itself. Dark Age: Republic of the Sphere is one of, if not the earliest source of most info on the Republic. Hold off changing anything for now as I have all the sources and hopfully, my super busy work situation is starting to settle down. I will be able to get back to Sarna properly in the next few weeks.--Dmon (talk) 13:06, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
I will leave it in your hands, but I will leave that work I did on my Userspace page in case you find you do need to refer to it.--Talvin (talk) 13:11, 26 March 2022 (EDT)

Covert Ops as Conflicts?[edit]

Something to come back to when things are less hectic: should Category:Covert Operations articles use a conflict infobox, something custom for them, or stay as they are? I feel like something that gives a quick summary would be good. Just tossing this here before I forget.--Talvin (talk) 19:53, 26 March 2022 (EDT)

I am thinking to just use the standard conflict box rather than develop a custom one. But the Conflict box is still on the list to get an overhaul so we can tweek it to be flexible.--Dmon (talk) 20:20, 26 March 2022 (EDT)

Query with infoBoxSportsTeam[edit]

hi Dmon,

Because of the resolution of the image, I would like to make Marpesia Stables image just 50px... but I cannot. Could you give me a hand with this please?

Regards,--Pserratv (talk) 10:22, 2 May 2022 (EDT)

The infobox is set in such a way that they are all standard. Change the core and all of them change.--Dmon (talk) 11:58, 2 May 2022 (EDT)


Hi Dmon, Just wondering, why did you revert my addition of categories to the above article? Echo Mirage (talk) 21:54, 10 May 2022 (EDT)

Left a note on your page about it!--Dmon (talk) 21:55, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
Just saw it thanks! Replied there. Echo Mirage (talk) 22:01, 10 May 2022 (EDT)

Notes and Rules[edit]

I have been through every page down-tree from Category:Military Commands and removed empty and functionally-empty Notes and Rules sections. I took a sampling from things that come under Category:Support Vehicles and Category:Spacecraft classes but did not find the same issues in my samples. Closing out this from my own task list, but if you find another Category that has a lot of blank notes/rules sections, let me know and I'll tackle it.--Talvin (talk) 10:58, 18 May 2022 (EDT)

Good work and thank you.--Dmon (talk) 20:30, 18 May 2022 (EDT)

Xanthos (SLDF)[edit]

Hi again. Could I please ask why you deleted the above redirect? Echo Mirage (talk) 10:56, 19 May 2022 (EDT)

From the discussion on your talk page a standard link to the Xanthos is all that is needed.--Dmon (talk) 11:42, 19 May 2022 (EDT)
I not sure I quite follow your reasoning there. The debate wasn't on whether or not the Xanthos had seen some service with the SLDF, but exactly what version in service with the CCAF had the SLDF Division in question had received. (GreekFire didn't think the relevant text in Field Manual: SLDF was explicit enough on the matter, hence the somewhat unsatisfactory compromise wording in the article.) Echo Mirage (talk) 13:46, 20 May 2022 (EDT)
The Xanthos simply being in service with the SLDF is not enough of an arguement for this redirect to exist, even if you could 100% verify that it was a SLDF specific version I would still not be a fan of this redirect. We have a saying around here "Don't try to out MUL the MUL" in reference to Catalysts Master Unit List.
I am of the opinion that Category:SLDF Combat Vehicles, Category:SLDF Royal Combat Vehicles, Category:SLDF 2750 DropShip classes, Category:SLDF Royal BattleMechs, Category:Star League BattleMechs are all on very questionable ground as to why we even have them on the wiki as dedicated categories because the Star League did not really have its own manufacturing capacity.--Dmon (talk) 14:35, 20 May 2022 (EDT)
I am not sure where to start here. Quite apart from the small technicality of anything made in a Star League member state during its existence was 'made in the Star League', the Terran Hegemony, with all its massive industrial might, formed the core of the Star League. It was more than merely 'just' the capital region of the Star League. The Hegemony had been for all intents and purposes been all but subsumed into the core structure of the League, economically, politically and militarily to such a degree that, when the Star League finally died, so did the Terran Hegemony. And even with regards as to the more autonomous members of the League, a not inconsiderable part of their own industrial output was available for common purposes such as defense. Or at least that was the case up to the time of the infamous Taxation Edict of 2763; after which the Free Worlds League in particular suspended all co-operation with the SLDF including prohibiting private companies from even selling basic supplies and services in many cases.
As to the MUL, I'll just note that a fair few canon units don't have even have entries yet, though I have no doubt that the team behind it are hard at work rectifying this. Echo Mirage (talk) 15:44, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
In a way you have kinda answered your own question. "small technicality of anything made in a Star League member state" is pretty much the issue and leaves us with two options. First option is to include basically everything in the category or the second option is to count the member states as the manufacturer instead of the star league. Since we are specifically making the stand that we are not a force building resource the second option makes more sense to me. Your arguement about the Terran Hegemony being essentially absorbed into the Star League is also a valid arguement but it does hinge on the "all intents and purpose" aspect, that introduces a lot of grey area, the hegemony did still exist and planets where officially still listed as controlled by the hegemony so that allows us to say a unit manufactured on a hegemony world is "manufactured by the terran hegemony" whilst basing it on something we can cite as a fact rather than trying to express the political neuance in a system not built to do such things.
As for the MUL, I can't really comment on how up-to-date it is, I do know that several of the Sarna crew are also part of that team over at CGL but I am not one of them, I have more to do with the fact checking team.--Dmon (talk) 18:34, 23 May 2022 (EDT)

Titles and Positions[edit]

Just remove those sections, or is there some other process in addition?--Talvin (talk) 14:01, 20 May 2022 (EDT)

As long as the info in the section has been carried over to the relevant title/position article then it is just a straight up removal.--Dmon (talk) 14:14, 20 May 2022 (EDT)