User talk:Dmon

Archives and Project List[edit]

Current[edit]

Delete Pages 2021 I[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Can you please delete this page: James Stroud‎. There are two, one from LC and another from FWL. I've created both and now I'm going to create a disambiguation page, but this one makes no sense to exist.--Pserratv (talk) 10:48, 12 January 2021 (EST)

Instead of deleting it I have set it up as a redirect to the disambiguation page. That ok with you?--Dmon (talk) 10:56, 12 January 2021 (EST)
Yes of course.--Pserratv (talk) 11:05, 12 January 2021 (EST)

Commercial links[edit]

Hi Dmon. Do you know if there is a policy regarding BT-related commercial links? This user added one Special:Contributions/GreenJAG and I didn't see anything with a quick search.--Cache (talk) 15:12, 18 January 2021 (EST)

Hey Cache, I noticed that myself and have to admit that I do not know, I am going to reverse the edit as a cautionary measure, but I intend to consult with the holdhands on the admin team.--Dmon (talk) 17:49, 18 January 2021 (EST)

How can I add you a random act of appreciation flag?[edit]

Just that!--Pserratv (talk) 11:51, 18 February 2021 (EST)

You can find the codes here and if they already have a ribbon, copy paste the newer one over it.--Dmon (talk) 12:06, 18 February 2021 (EST)
Just realised, you giving it to me? Haha thank you brother! --Dmon (talk) 12:07, 18 February 2021 (EST)
Yes, I just did :).--Pserratv (talk) 05:35, 19 February 2021 (EST)

Image Categories[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the Uncategorized files not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--Pserratv (talk) 04:20, 8 March 2021 (EST)

Sadly I have no idea how the images are generated beyond the fact that they have some kind of bot that apparently updates them. Nic is the best person to ask I think. I would love to know because there are several changes I would like to see put into place with the system images.--Dmon (talk) 06:13, 8 March 2021 (EST)
BattleTechWiki:Operation_Doneve#Feedback - just sayin'. ;) Frabby (talk) 09:10, 8 March 2021 (EST)

Spies and Assassins Category[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Are you trying to remove the characters from this category because you feel it brings nothing and because we have no other category for a profession?--Pserratv (talk) 10:35, 9 March 2021 (EST)

Mostly because of the profession aspect as it goes against the grain of the rest of the wiki, but I confess I have always disliked the category in general as it is a bit vague.--Dmon (talk) 10:41, 9 March 2021 (EST)

Bug Mechs & Category:Technology[edit]

To explain why I rolled back your edit and reinstated Category:Technology for this article, the Bug Mech concept exists in-universe (unlike Flashbulbs and Zombie Mechs which by contrast only exist in player parlance) and as such I reckon it does describe a BT technology aspect. Frabby (talk) 16:34, 14 March 2021 (EDT)

Adding Design Programs in Left Menu[edit]

Do you think is worth adding a direct link the the design softwares? The pages I've been adding: Category:Battletech Design Software.--Pserratv (talk) 05:12, 22 March 2021 (EDT)

Delete Pages 2021 II[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Can you please delete these pages:

A request: Please also delete the associated Talk pages when deleting pages (I already did this for the above), otherwise we have orphaned Talk pages for deleted articles. Frabby (talk) 02:05, 24 March 2021 (EDT)

Kerensky's Orion[edit]

I'm curious: Why did you remove the cover images from the gallery showing Kerensky's Orion? To wit, it sure seems to be the same 'Mech, marked with "01" and "AK" (the latter not visible on the LoT2 cover). Since all these images already exist on Sarna and are used in other contexts, I don't see why they shouldn't be put into this article. Frabby (talk) 09:11, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

I agree that it does appear to be the same 'Mech, the main reason I removed them is part of an ongoing debate between myself and Fredericmora about product covers being used in as many articles as humanly possible. Personally I am not a fan of posting the cover of a product unless the product is directly discussed in the article rather than just referenced. I am having limited success in convincing Fred to only use clean art instead of entire covers. He uploaded a clean version of the Fall from Glory art, I just need to go back in and wikifi it before re-adding it to the article. --Dmon (talk) 09:28, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
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The funny part is this: I think the covers are way more informative and relevant, because they showcase that this 'Mech features on the covers of these products. The "clean" image, on the other hand, has no additional information value - and it is also, imho, in violation of the "no image repository" part of our Policy:Images. I don't feel particularly strong about the issue, but I have to say I gravitate to Fred's position on this one. :) Frabby (talk) 09:33, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
Interestingly the whole debate between me and Fred started about a year or so ago when I noticed that he was adding every product cover a 'Mech had ever been featured on into the 'Mech articles and I used the same the "no image repository" part of our Policy:Images as part of my reasoning against it! :-p
I can see the point of showcasing the fact that a certain 'Mech has been featured on a number of product cover, the Mad Cat, Atlas and Warhammer are going to end up with huge gallery sections. I favor a few good images that showcase the design, and in the case of the classic 'Mechs the various interpritations of them over the years.--Dmon (talk) 10:01, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
Sooo... where do we go from here? As an additional argument, we're talking about an individual 'Mech here, not a generic model. I think that could be an argument to keep the covers in the image gallery for Kerensky's Orion. As for generic 'Mech classes, I agree that we don't really need multiple images of Mad Cats, Atlases, Warhammers etc. at this time - though I actually have long-term plans for a gallery in that general direction: Original 1st/2nd Ed. cardboard image, TRO image, Reinforcements cardboard image, miniatures, and so on, to show the design's evolution. Frabby (talk) 10:54, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
Add a section that lists (not shows) products where said generic Mech was featured on the cover? Or just in the "notes".--Cache (talk) 13:43, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
I mulled over the ideas over night and my position has not really changed. I agree that individual 'Mechs should have a slightly different set of rules to the generic 'Mech articles but for me the only real weight the pro-covers debate has is that it adds emphasis on the importance of said individual 'Mech, but the fact that the 'Mech has its own article already makes that point.
Even listing the products a generic 'Mech has appeared on means that somebody going to have to and count said product appearances, and then ideally somebody else is going to have to go and double check the count and keep it updates as new products are released. It seems like a lot of work for what to me seems an incredibly esoteric factoid.--Dmon (talk) 07:52, 30 March 2021 (EDT)
I'm not convinced. :) Having an article doesn't in and of itself suggest the importance of an individual 'Mech. We're basically creating an article for every named individual 'Mech by now (and rightly so, since we've been doing this for spacecraft for years). So if and when that individual 'Mech has one or even several pictures, I think it's only natural to put them into the article. Mind you, I'm not suggesting uploading superfluous images for this purpose, but if the images are on Sarna already there is zero reason not to use them in the article. I believe there are very few cases with more than one image, and most will have none at all.
In the specific case of Theodore Kurita's Orion there's the added oddity that the Legends paint scheme (which we factcheckers didn't get as part of the factchecking manuscript) doesn't match the paint scheme described in the novel.
To wrap it up, I think we should restore the article on Kerensky's/Kurita's Orion to re-include the covers garllery, because it's an outlier case anyways. Frabby (talk) 07:52, 6 April 2021 (EDT)

Sean O'Reilly's illegitimate offspring[edit]

Adding the bit about a House Humphreys branch in the Marian Hegemony I came across Sean O'Reilly's illegitimate children. You created articles for them naming them Trajan O'Reilly and Marcus O'Reilly. But we don't actually know their last name(s). Only their first names are given, and they are illegitimate and never mentioned again anywhere else as far as I can see. I researched this to find out if Trajan should be Trajan O'Reilly, Trajan Humphreys, or something else, but didn't find an answer. Or did I miss anything? Frabby (talk) 07:58, 6 April 2021 (EDT)

I admit that I did not really think about the fact the children may not have the surname of their father due to their status as illegitimate. As such no you have not missed anything, just me not thinking outside the western cultural norm of children having their fathers surname.--Dmon (talk) 11:14, 6 April 2021 (EDT)
When the father is not known, usualy thep kids get the mother's surnames. Illegitime children apply to this unless the mother is married (but the husband not the father), in which case they get the father's surname.--Pserratv (talk) 16:27, 9 April 2021 (EDT)

MechWarrior Personnel File [edit]

I have 4 of them, do you want the pdfs?--Pserratv (talk) 16:29, 9 April 2021 (EDT)

Hey PS, I put a post in one of the BT groups on Facebook and was supplied with all 5, so do you want the one you are missing?--Dmon (talk) 06:44, 10 April 2021 (EDT)
I'm missing the lyran one. This would be great!--Pserratv (talk) 07:18, 10 April 2021 (EDT)
Send me your email on the BT forum and I will shoot it over.--Dmon (talk) 07:24, 10 April 2021 (EDT)
Done. And thanks!--Pserratv (talk) 13:32, 10 April 2021 (EDT)

ELH Cronicles[edit]

Hi Dmon. (I posed this same question to MahiMahi): Have you seen this post regarding the ELH Chronicles? As of right now, everything on fs.battletech.com/fiction is not set in stone.--Cache (talk) 18:46, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Hey Cache, yeah I have seen it, but when I created the Announced product tag I made sure to include the line "all information is subject to change until the product is released" so if anything does change I think we are safe. The most likely thing to change will be the release schedule.--Dmon (talk) 18:59, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Template change[edit]

Hi Dmon,

After the last changes on template, all images are not appearing ok now. See: 1st Donegal Guards for example.--Pserratv (talk) 05:43, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

Reversed the change. It appeared to work on some articles but not others for some reason.--Dmon (talk) 06:00, 15 April 2021 (EDT)
In case you give this another shot, I wanted to point out that I have been setting image size to 150px because a significant number of unit insignias are taken from Camo Specs Online. Those images are only 150px. By setting a larger size in the articles, the enlarged images look bad, whereas a larger picture reduced to 150px still looks good. This article is a good example of enlargement looking bad: MechWarrior:_Vanguard--Cache (talk) 18:23, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

Battle of Tamar (3059)‎[edit]

Hi Dmon,

If we have battles by year, then it should be Battle of Tamar (3051), not 3059.--Pserratv (talk) 05:57, 23 April 2021 (EDT)

My bad, not sure why I misread the date in the infobox as November 3059! But yeah, years is the way I want to go because it keeps things consistent across eras, not so much the clan invasion era but the third Succession war and the Dark Age seem to have the same worlds having multiple battles.
You are right, they do have multiple battles in several years, like hesperus II--Pserratv (talk) 11:09, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

BattleMech Serial Numbers[edit]

Afternoon, Dmon.

Is BattleMech Serial Numbers still a work-in-progress? If so, I was thinking [[Category:Lists]] might be a good fit for it. If not, I suggest [[Category:Miscellaneous]].--Revanche (talk|contribs) 12:35, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

Hey Rev, I want to say yes it is still a work in progress but in reality it is one of a number of obscure project ideas I have that I am yet to actually do anything with.--Dmon (talk) 14:05, 9 May 2021 (EDT)
Copy all. The suggestion of how the page will be laid out suggests the Lists category might be the best fit. Making the change now. Thanks for the response.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 14:35, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

Delete Pages 2021 III[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Can you please delete these two categories:--Pserratv (talk) 08:16, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

Done!--Dmon (talk) 09:39, 12 May 2021 (EDT)
Thanks!--Pserratv (talk) 11:56, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

Clarissa Dupree[edit]

Afternoon, Dmon. Would you please review the re-naming edits made by the IP on 21 April to Clarissa Dupree? It seems odd, but I figure you're the most likely to be able to comment on this, since you created the article. Thank you. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 17:38, 15 May 2021 (EDT)

Hey Rev, Revisiting some old MW4:BK videos on youtube and the voice actor does appear to introduce the character as "clarissa" but the characters accent left me with enough doubt that I decided to dig deeper and it turns out that later in the game the characters name appears in print and is Carissa. I have moved the article and links to reflect this.--Dmon (talk) 20:16, 15 May 2021 (EDT)
Excellent. You and that IP are da bomb. Thanks.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 21:11, 15 May 2021 (EDT)

Adding more informations at technology pages[edit]

Hi Dmon,

I'm suprised that at several pages about technology ,like the various types of ac ammounition, there are only text with some data. Before I add more information I ask is it accepted to put the missing data into it? My next question is about the missing info box. Can you tell me where I can find it? With best regards Neuling

Hey Neuling,
If the info is missing feel free to add it. As for infobox, I do not think we have one for things like ammunition and various bits of technology that are not weapons or 'Mech components. It is something we possibly need to look into developing.--Dmon (talk) 16:13, 16 May 2021 (EDT)

Delete Pages 2021 IV[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Only one today: Category:Individual Vessel Images

Thanks!--Pserratv (talk) 04:47, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

Natasha Ergen[edit]

MahiMahi, Dmon: thanks for following behind me and beefing & cleaning up that article. Much improved; more informative.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 22:23, 23 May 2021 (EDT)

Just doing what a wiki is meant to do --Dmon (talk) 08:26, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

Discord and sourcebook info[edit]

Were using Sarna.net Discord channel for better communications. I found this on Reddit, you may interested in it's review of old sourcebooks. -- Wrangler (talk) 21:01, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

Hey Wrangler, that looks interesting Wink.gif.
I saw that we now have a discord and have been meaning to set up an account!--Dmon (talk) 21:07, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
One of the reasons we got it is for you to be in it :P --Deadfire (talk) 21:28, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
FINALLY DONE IT!--Dmon (talk) 06:18, 25 May 2021 (EDT)

Delete Pages 2021 V[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Again only one :) Category:Dark Age

Thanks.--Pserratv (talk) 03:18, 27 May 2021 (EDT)

We must be doing well if we are running out of unused categories :-)--Dmon (talk) 06:57, 27 May 2021 (EDT)
We are :). On pages is another thing... the one for speedy deletion looks promising.--Pserratv (talk) 07:10, 27 May 2021 (EDT)

Delete Pages 2021 VI[edit]

Can you amend my mistake by deleting this page: Section Leader (ACM)--Pserratv (talk) 13:07, 31 May 2021 (EDT)

Charts for Battletech[edit]

Hello Dmon, can you please take a look at the following site: https://www.sarna.net/wiki/User:Neuling/charts and tell me your opinion about it. My goal is to greate an chart to see the expierence difference of an Brigade during a specific time. The next chart shows the strucure of the FWL navy in 2765. I had more chart about the different structures within an military organisation like the Republic of the Inner Sphere and even the loses of the SLDF from 264 to 2784. With best regards neuling.

They look great, Two issues I can see though is that they would be hard to use with units that have a very long and complex history. The other issue is that other users will not be able to replicate then easily, so we would be unable to update/change them.--Dmon (talk) 07:33, 25 July 2021 (EDT)

New Template for Naval Vessels[edit]

Morning Dmon. I was creating a category for named Monitor vessels and noticed that we do not have a pre-built template for blue water Naval Vessels on the wiki. Would this be something we would like to create? If yes, who would be responsible for creating said template? Thanks in advance! CungrVanck (talk) 09:39, 28 June 2021 (EDT)

Hey CungrVanck, I am not familiar with the rules for blue water naval vessels at all so I am not sure how different a template would be from the standard vehicle one, but if we do not have one I do think we should develop one just in case CGL decides to do TRO:Pirates of Tortuga Wink.gif.
If it is a case of creating a slightly different vehicle template I could do it if you let me know what you need, or in the case of a totally new template mbear has better wiki-fu than me.--Dmon (talk) 11:02, 28 June 2021 (EDT)

Delete Pages 2021 VII[edit]

Hi Dmon,

Can you delete these Categories:

Thanks in advance.--Pserratv (talk) 04:12, 23 July 2021 (EDT)

Category for units[edit]

Hi Dmon,

I have an idea for an old project at sarna.net. Where it usefull to use the categories like DC-3060 or DC-2765 at units to filter the available units for a specific era. In my opinion it won't change anything at the page layout and the work were manageable? Any suggestion from your site? with best regards [[Neuling

Two requests about different topics and no response. I question myself what have I done to get no awnsers from you? [[Neuling
I was discussing the idea in a seperate forum with the other Admins. We do not believe the idea is viable. I am going to quote one of the other Admins as his response is very thorough.
"I don't think the idea as proposed by Neuling is a viable one, because there isn't the data available to make it a complete project, and we'd end up with people looking at partical data sets and assuming they were comprehensive by default.
TPTB have never given us a complete list of all the available 'Mech designs or produced 'Mech designs in any era or year later than after about the third 'Mech was invented. That's a deliberate choice, so that they can carry on inserting 'Mechs into the game history if they want to.
Players can use the MUL to view which 'Mechs are available by era; they can use the sort table on Sarna for when 'Mechs entered production. That's about as good as it's ever going to get for judgement calls on whether 'Mechs are available or not, and it already exists."
The MUL is a dedicated section of the CGL website that covers this exact topic in a maner that is much better than the wiki ever could.--Dmon (talk) 07:22, 25 July 2021 (EDT)
Tnx for the response Dmon. I think my text a little misleading. I was talking about military commands not mech designs. Neuling (talk) 09:33, 25 July 2021 (EDT)
Ah ok, thought you meant units as in 'Mechs and Tanks etc, but if I am honest, I think the military commands are more of a "living thing" in universe and we need to avoid attaching too great an importance on what units where active in say 2765 and 2785 because we are then opening up the question of what was active in 2775?, what if a new unit is formed in 2777? and an old one is destroyed in 2779? I think this creates a huge amount of categories etc for a very specific type of information. I think we are better served by having info about command creation and destruction in article and forcing people to do a bit of digging. It is a bit slower but I am under the impression that most sarna users will specifically search for a command they are interested in, and those who want to know the exact military strength of an entire nation at specific times are in the minority. Always remember that for most purposes the Regiment is the largest "active" force size in the universe. Seeing the entire Benjamin Regulars in one action will likely never happen.--Dmon (talk) 12:12, 25 July 2021 (EDT)

Ministries[edit]

Considering that basically every empire or realm, probably every planet and sometimes every realm on a given planet could have any conceivable ministry, I strongly feel disambiguation is required by default. Frabby (talk) 16:43, 5 August 2021 (EDT)

I agree that there will be a good number, but I am going to do it as I go along, these articles are the ministers not the ministries so it will depend on how many named ministers I can find.--Dmon (talk) 16:57, 5 August 2021 (EDT)
I'd say it goes for the position of minister just as much as for the institution (ministry). But you're right that we don’t technically need a disambiguation until the same position/institution appears for another power. I still advise to go for disambiguation right from the get-go. Frabby (talk) 17:51, 5 August 2021 (EDT)

Strange Behavior of InfoBoxCharacter[edit]

As you can see, the "History" line goes over the InfoBoxCharacter on Raymond Fritz, something that is not happening to other pages... Who can review? I've also commented this here: Talk:Raymond Fritz.--Pserratv (talk) 06:50, 23 August 2021 (EDT)

Hey PS, I do not think it is article specific. I can see the line on several articles on my PC but they look ok on my tablet. Are you using a PC?--Dmon (talk) 07:01, 23 August 2021 (EDT)
Yes, I'm using a PC today. Haven't checked other formats like tablet or phone. And yes, it is happening to all characters with the infobox. But it happens for characters, other infobox do not have any issue in a PC.--Pserratv (talk) 07:25, 23 August 2021 (EDT)
If you can, check on any other formats you have for me.
Next question is what browser do you use? My PC has Firefox and my tablet uses its native Samsung Chromium.--Dmon (talk) 07:34, 23 August 2021 (EDT)
PC: failed with Chrome, Microsoft Edge and Internet Explorer. No issue in phone and tablet (page format is a single column, so not possible to have this issue.
Issue highlighted
--Pserratv (talk) 09:54, 23 August 2021 (EDT)

Delete Pages 2021 VIII[edit]

Please, delete this one: 3rd Wolf Battle (Clan Wolf) as it is a duplicate of 3rd Wolf Guard Battle (Clan Wolf).--Pserratv (talk) 08:50, 25 August 2021 (EDT)

You sure? I am prety sur the units are different.--Dmon (talk) 16:35, 25 August 2021 (EDT)
When I compared them they looked with the same initial information and leader... maybe one of both was in mistake.--Pserratv (talk) 09:59, 27 August 2021 (EDT)
Let me compare screenshots and you tell me:
  • 3rd Wolf Battle (Clan Wolf)
3rd Wolf Battle (Clan Wolf) screenshot.PNG
  • 3rd Wolf Guard Battle (Clan Wolf)
3rd Wolf Guard Battle (Clan Wolf) screenshot.PNG

Commanding officer is the same, history at the beginning is the same. For me this is a duplicate.--Pserratv (talk) 07:30, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

I am more thinking that it is a mistake on Sarnas end not that the units are the same. I think we need to dig out the sourcebooks and do it the old fashioned way.--Dmon (talk) 10:38, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
It could be... it will need time then.--Pserratv (talk) 12:29, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

Delete Pages 2021 IX[edit]

Please, delete this category Category:Works by Klaus Sherwinski. Original image was incorrectly assigned and I had created everything and when searching for the author I found the misspelling.--Pserratv (talk) 07:41, 13 September 2021 (EDT)

Deletion of Categories "States"[edit]

Hi Dmon,

I've seen you've created a page for all Nation States, which sounds good, but at the same time you delete the link to their own category. For example on Illyrian Palatinate you have added "Category:Nation States", but you took out "Category:Illyrian Palatinate", which for me is an important link as it puts the page of the nation as part of the relevant pages of the category on that country information. It might be just me, but I found that useful.--Pserratv (talk) 03:43, 17 September 2021 (EDT)

I am giving the whole factions section an overhaul but I will make sure I put something similar back in before I am done.--Dmon (talk) 06:41, 17 September 2021 (EDT)