Talk:Ferro-fibrous armor

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Can someone tell me exactly why the title is so long and unhelpful? As far as I know, standard/ferro-fibrous armor can only be applied to BattleMechs and vehicles, since aerospace fighters use ferro-aluminum and spaceships ferro-carbide (not expecting anyone to actually look at the talk page). Cipher42 20:05, 10 July 2007 (CDT)

Since Nic was the one who created the page, you would have to ask him. --Scaletail 12:43, 11 July 2007 (CDT)

It looks like this was a goofy attempt at redirection -- I can't see any reason you'd want the title for the main article for a tech to not include the tech's name. --71.199.233.118 04:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

You are right. "Ferro-Fibrous" redirected here. I have since switched the redirect around. Thank you for pointing out the mistake. --Ebakunin ^{(talk|contribs)} 04:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

There's similar goofiness for Armor - LFF and HFF and FA, check out Category:Technology --71.199.233.118 09:30, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

71, feel free to make the moves yourself. All Editors have the authority to do so, and that way each of us can work on areas we have identified need improvement. I don't mean to sound like I'm blowing your idea off; I mean to empower you to Be Bold. If its the method of doing so that keeps you from doing it, let us know; we'll be glad to talk you through it.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:09, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

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Clan Armor Types

• Compound G5 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 56
• Compound JF Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 146
• Compound JX2 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 36
• Compound K4 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 46
• Compound RSH5 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 158
• Compound VH30 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 64
• Compound VM20 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 54
• Compound Zeta Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 68
• Compound E91 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 62
• Compound FM3 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 140
• Compound H17 Ferro-Fibrous with CASE TRO 3060 p. 152
• “Magnum” Ferro-Fibrous Composite TRO 3060 p. 58
• Airframe Pattern 2841 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 44
• Arcadia Compound Delta VII Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 184
• Composite A-4 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 176
• Compound 3092/3 Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 60
• Compound A2F Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 160
• Compound Alpha Ferro-Fibrous TRO 3060 p. 162

Merge

I recommend this be merged with Armor (BattleMechs & Combat Vehicles). There is already some duplication I think, and as the tech levels have progressed and merged in-universe, keeping this separate makes less sense. Too, many of these entries lack citations. Keeping these maintained is a huge challenge with the legacy import of fanon from the early days of the wiki: putting them all under one roof will make that easier.--Talvin (talk) 09:12, 28 May 2022 (EDT)

I kinda agree but don't. I think this page should be kept and Armor (BattleMechs & Combat Vehicles) split back into this one or one featuring the regular military grade battleplate but (dropping the BattleMech & Combat Vehicle suffix) and then following the same process and merge Armor (Aerospace Fighters & Conventional Aircraft). As much as I want us to get away from rules, the different types of armor are still different technologies in universe. I think we just need to find a good way to express that without falling into the rules trap. The problem is the second you start using the term "standard" you are basically playing back into the rules side of things!--Dmon (talk) 10:02, 28 May 2022 (EDT)

Trying to put this back at the bottom (not sure how it wound up in the middle of that list).

I...sort of see what you are after. I think. There is a technical (in-universe) issue with merging the Aerospace stuff in: "Ferro-Fibrous" and "Ferro-Aluminum" are, last I knew, canonically related-but-distinct materials. A lot of handwaving does go on to justify the science, I believe, to the extent the science is justified. I am not as clear if "standard" aerospace armor is similarly related-but-distinct. Or why VTOLs use combat vehicle armor and not Aerospace. These Are The Greater Mysteries.

As for the Rules Problem, I think if we de-emphasize the hard numbers (just remove the Rules Level stuff and the point values) and narratively describe that Clan and Inner Sphere are different technologies, with one bulkier than the other, but that gap is closing, we are OK.

I am not dead-set on merging this with Armor, but a lot of stuff already on the Armor page is FF. So it's half-done. For now, I am focusing on getting the citations for what is already there up to date, and clearing anything I cannot find a citation for. A lot of fanon crept in from that site back in the early days, and it has sadly spread through the Wiki. At some point, someone who collects the Technical Readouts and related material may have to go through and Fact-Check the whole thing. Basically? I want something done to make more sense of this mess and make it easier to maintain. I am doing what part of that I can, and merging this page and that makes sense to me, but I am open to other possibilities.--Talvin (talk) 10:53, 28 May 2022 (EDT)