Talk:Jump Jet

Cleanup and merge

I just noticed this page is in dire need of cleanup. Most of the page consists of model names provided as fluff in the TROs and their accompanying references. i was wondering if I should just get rid of that list and leave the page as a description of jump jets, possibly with info about the game rules. Additionally, improved jump jets is a stub. I was wondering if it is al right if I add them to this page as a category and turn the old page into a redirect. BirdofPrey 00:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Leave the model list. You'll see that on every weapon and for plenty of equipment. I would also not merge IJJ here because that is a separate piece of equipment. I think these two articles treat JJs and IJJs as equipment mounted on 'Mechs, but this article fails to adequately address the concept of a jump jet; that is, a technology that enables 'Mechs to jump. Am I on the right track? --Scaletail 01:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

At the very least the references list needs to be condensed. There's only a few books, but they are listed dozens of times. I may need help on that front, since I am not that familiar with references. I'll drop another note if I can't figure it out. I was going to rewrite this with the mechanics behind jumps jets followed by an equipment section talking about jump jets as a piece of equipment (tonnage based on mech weight, 30 meter jump capacity per jet) for mechs as well as details of protomech and battle armor jets then a mention of the Kanga jump tank and vehicular jump jets. I figured if I were including standard jump jets in an equipment section, I might as well include improved jump jets. If they need their own page I can just write that improved jump jets allow a mech to jump further at the cost of using more mass and space and then link IJJs.BirdofPrey 01:32, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

The reference list is broken down by page number so no way to really condense that as each page number is a separate reference, however I'm of the opinion that while we need to model list, we do not need the used by list below it. Its been added haphazardly at best, has multiple instances of the same model getting separate entires and doesn't even link out to the units in question. Cyc 01:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps this would be a case where sub-pages would be warranted? Jump Jet/Types or something like? Alternatively is there any way to put a table in a scrollbox?-- LRichardson 02:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I just finished a rewrite of the page. I am going to keep the lists of manufacturers and models till a cleanup can be finished. I think LRichardson's idea of giving each brand of jump jet is a good way to go. once all the pages are made and filled out we can stick them all in a category and link to it from here. I would like someone to proofread the page since I probably missed something. BirdofPrey 07:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm not convinced sub-pages are the right way to go. I don't have a cogent argument against it (yet), but I'm of the mind that we don't want to re-invent the wheel. Wikipedia doesn't use sub-pages and while I'm not sure why (I'll look into it), I imagine naming structures are harder to herd into conformity and it takes the articles off the mainspaces (which affects searches, right?). As for scrollbox, I'll look into that, as well. My first concern would be if the width parameters would be affected, but for this article, it seems not likely to be a problem.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

If it's properly linked to, I don't see why it would matter if a page is a sub page or not. I think LRichardson's idea is pretty good: Condense the list on the main page down to just the brand names (chilton, rawlings, pitban, etc) and make separate pages for each of those brands that list each model and move the specific details to there. Most of the items in the list are repeats of one item for a different planet, or unit that fits it. If the Chilton page is anything to go by, that format looks much cleaner, and reducing the size of the list to a couple dozen items would certainly also make the main page cleaner. It makes sense to me for the equipment brands to be sub pages for organizational purposes, but I don't mind either way if the manufacturer pages are sub pages or separate entities as long as they help clean things up. Whatever we decide upon here, we should also look at doing to the other pages with the same problem such as the fusion engine pages. On a side note, if you want to check how sub pages affect things, you might want to note that the pages for the standard autocannons (eg. Autocannon/5) seem to be sub pages of Autocannon.--BirdofPrey 14:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Autocannon/5 doesn't show on the pre-search dropdown, but the others do. It does show in a general search and is found just fine, when types into the search box as titled. Still withholding judgment, just yet. I'll research sub-pages more, but I'm still doing my Recent Changes patrolling, at the moment.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 14:24, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I went ahead and added a section for brands. In order to facilitate cleanup, I recommend a link is added to the brands section when a brand page is started and all the listings in the manufacturing sections of that brand are removed when the brand page is finished. Hopefully by the end of this, the only models listed here are one-offs.--BirdofPrey 15:33, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Hy guys, i stard a reference cleanup, and delete the Chilton jump jets from the page, and leave a link in the manufacturer section to the Chilton page, i hope it is ok.--Doneve 15:41, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Vehicular Jump jets

As a construction option, I was planning on adding Vehicular jump jets to this page in lieu of making a new page since they follow most of the rules of battlemech jump jets. I was wondering if mentioning the new Hephaestus variant in TRO:Prototypes is a moratorium violation (I wasn't planning on editing the Hephaestus page until TRO:Prototypes leaves the moratorium period. I was just thinking of mentioning the new variant along with the Kanga) BirdofPrey 00:05, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

If you would need to cite a source that is under moratorium, then it is a violation of that policy, unless it falls under one of the exceptions. --Scaletail 01:09, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

I Am Jade Falcon Maneuver

One of the maneuvers you can perform with jump jets is called the "I Am Jade Falcon" Maneuver. I am quite certain this is in reference to an event in a battletech novel, and it certainly sounds familiar, but as I haven't read many BT novels, I have no clue what this is a specific reference. If anyone knows the incident that name refers to, please feel free to note it as the inspiration for the attack name in the appropriate spot. If I am going out of my mind, tell me that as well--BirdofPrey 15:38, 12 July 2011 (UTC)