Talk:Stefan Amaris

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Quotes

Are all the quotes supposed to be bolded? Just wondering... BobTheZombie (talk) 18:16, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

Generally no. I'd argue the page has too many quotes as, which is a concern on plagiarism grounds, especially given the quotes are (no pun intended) quoted verbatim. Cyc (talk) 22:24, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

Agreed. This is way over the top. Particularly the part about his grave. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

I've cleaned up the quotes, and incorporated some information by rewriting. I did leave several short, relevant quotes in place. JubalHarshaw (talk) 14:02, 20 February 2018 (EST)

Good article!

I like the cleanup. Very well written and clean. One thing I think we ought to think about including in the future is why a guy smart enough to plan the coup was foolish enough to think that it would work or that the other Houses and Kerensky would sign on to it. Amaris is a product of the history of the Rim Worlds Republic, where the power politics have always been vicious and treacherous. From his point of view, all the talk in the Star League of honor and loyalty is either foolish naivete, or hypocritical nonsense meant to hide politics not too different from the ones he grew up in. And in truth the Star League was full of self-serving political maneuvering under a thin veil of high-minded ideals.

Amaris missed two things. First, he obviously had direly misread the character of Alexander Kerensky, who clearly was not just another plotter angling for a shot at the throne. This was kind of stupid, but I think Amaris simply assumed that Kerensky's devotion to honor and duty had to be a cover for something. He probably figured that under it all, Kerensky was just masquerading as a friend of the Camerons to worm his way into their good graces, just like Amaris was.

The other problem is a weakness of treachery in general. When a system as a whole is governed by rules of honor and ethics, the one or two clever ones who are good at intrigue end up winning big and making fools of everyone else. Treachery is smart, right? But over time, if those kinds of people take over, then the system as a whole is founded in treachery (and trying to maneuver against it) and can't compete. That's what happened here. Amaris's atrocities and insane repressiveness were born of that same assumption that everyone else is playing the same intrigue games that he is. Up to a point, he had to stop a counter-coup, but beyond that it was just stoking public hatred of him and making the Terran Hegemony into an economic/military basket case.

Point being, Amaris's villainy was both inevitably doomed to failure and understandable in even a smart and politically adept man of his background. 131.96.47.18 13:55, 27 April 2018 (EDT)