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:::I enshrined it at [[Policy:Notability]], but there's nothing stopping anybody from reopening the discussion. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 07:21, 17 August 2008 (CDT)
 
:::I enshrined it at [[Policy:Notability]], but there's nothing stopping anybody from reopening the discussion. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 07:21, 17 August 2008 (CDT)
  
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::::Wow, that was a good read; thanks for re-directing me. A lot of good points, and it seems to be on whether or not lists should be created. To be honest, I think the Notability policy is clear that all future minor character articles shall be created on a list, pertinent to the issue at hand (though it also has a 2nd point: that of what is allowed on CBT). For example, I created three new minor character articles a few days ago: [[Rupert Masterson]], [[Takahiro Naguchi]] and [[David Pratcher]]. All three appeared on the program ''[[Universal Truth]]'', of which there is currently no article. All three of these characters could be included into a list on a Universal Truth article. Now, Masterson might get mentioned in books other than ''[[Jihad Conspiracies: Interstellar Players 2|ISP2]'', so might get broken out (a ==See Also== or wiki link on the UT article). But Naguchi and Pratcher come from different states and I think it would be confusing (and incomplete) to include them on their respective state articles, since referencing them there would be unwieldy. I don't know: the counter-argument is just as valid as for why they should. I just think, some day, if a future writer uses this as a resource, to see how much more information on Naguchi can be found (possibly to expand him), being able to find out that only ''this'' or all of ''that'' is out there, a minor character stub article (properly documented,, of course) would be easier and more helpful. With a properly crafted search term, however, all results would be found.
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::::(took my discussion there) --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:10, 17 August 2008 (CDT)
  
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::::Okay, maybe I have it now: if another source uses ''Universal Truth'' as a device, and three new characters are created (maybe Masterson has been replaced as host), an Editor comes along and wants to document them. To me, it is not obvious (though definitely possible) that the Editor will start off with a search term of "Universal Truth." Instead, it seems to me that he'd be more likely do a search term for the names of the three characters, create those articles and then you'd have an incomplete list on the Universal Truth article and three minor characters that have been included on the program, but are not tied to it the same way. I guess I feel that some one would have to know the list exists, already, in order to add to it. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:04, 17 August 2008 (CDT)
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::::Scaletail, as to Major Characters: if we assume that Minor Character articles are not forbidden (and should be removed), how do you feel about re-naming the Peoples category to Major Characters? I'd be glad to change the individual articles, if you agree. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:10, 17 August 2008 (CDT)

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I've noticed that the fictional people aren't currently categorized as "PeopleFictional", but rather just as "People'. It appears that the real people (Weisman, Keith, et al) are being categorized as "PeopleReal". Do we want to migrate all of the "People" to "PeopleFictional"? If so, I'll do that shortly. Bdevoe 12:01, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

This has already been discussed, albeit briefly, at BattleTechWiki:Administrators#Category:People. Scaletail 15:43, 19 September 2007 (CDT)
We should probably change the Project to be "People" and not "PeopleFictional" then. Bdevoe 16:54, 19 September 2007 (CDT)

People & Minor Characters

I didn't think to bring this up here until after I had started it, but I've created a category called Minor Characters, defined as those who have supporting or lesser roles in the BattleTech universe. I've linked to it (and back again) in the People category.

Question: might this be a good time to re-name the People Category to "Major Characters"? --Revanche (talk|contribs) 13:54, 15 August 2008 (CDT)

I created lists instead of leaving individual articles intact. Do you want to reopen the discussion of how to handle minor characters, Revanche, so that we have one, uniform way of handling them; or are you seeing them as a little more than one-line blurbs, but not quite as much as we might expect for a full article? --Scaletail 10:31, 16 August 2008 (CDT)
I'm not ready to take a stand on what (officially) defines a Major or Minor Character. As Justice Potter famously stated about obscenities: "...I know it when I see it...," and generally I read what we have about a person and decide if they were a one-shot (or similar) character, that will probably not recur or is probably not well known by either BT fans nor other in-universe fans. The way I envision it is: if they make a movie about the story that concerns this character, would the actor get any billing on the movie poster? As far as stub articles go: no, that doesn't figure into my reasoning. If someone started a stub-article on Victor Steiner-Davion, Stefan Amaris or even Natasha Kerensky, I'd still recognize that they are major characters (with currently minor articles).
Scaletail, I vaguely recall a discussion on lists versus articles (for minor characters). I personally would prefer articles on everyone, but I acknowledge that sometimes that would just not make sense. For example, in my impending article on the Brotherhood of Randis, I would like to link to each member ever identified in source material. However, as the writeups for many of those minor characters would be summed up as, "He died on Antallos, defending the Brotherhood's efforts to unearth a Star League cache," I can see why someone would much prefer seeing all names together and no such write-up being necessary. Sorry, I ramble. Is there a policy on this, yet? Or are we free to do both methods? --Revanche (talk|contribs) 21:35, 16 August 2008 (CDT)
I enshrined it at Policy:Notability, but there's nothing stopping anybody from reopening the discussion. --Scaletail 07:21, 17 August 2008 (CDT)
(took my discussion there) --Revanche (talk|contribs) 10:10, 17 August 2008 (CDT)
Scaletail, as to Major Characters: if we assume that Minor Character articles are not forbidden (and should be removed), how do you feel about re-naming the Peoples category to Major Characters? I'd be glad to change the individual articles, if you agree. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 10:10, 17 August 2008 (CDT)

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