Talk:Stefan Amaris

Quotes[edit]

Are all the quotes supposed to be bolded? Just wondering... BobTheZombie (talk) 18:16, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

Generally no. I'd argue the page has too many quotes as, which is a concern on plagiarism grounds, especially given the quotes are (no pun intended) quoted verbatim. Cyc (talk) 22:24, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
Agreed. This is way over the top. Particularly the part about his grave. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
I've cleaned up the quotes, and incorporated some information by rewriting. I did leave several short, relevant quotes in place. JubalHarshaw (talk) 14:02, 20 February 2018 (EST)

Good article![edit]

I like the cleanup. Very well written and clean. One thing I think we ought to think about including in the future is why a guy smart enough to plan the coup was foolish enough to think that it would work or that the other Houses and Kerensky would sign on to it. Amaris is a product of the history of the Rim Worlds Republic, where the power politics have always been vicious and treacherous. From his point of view, all the talk in the Star League of honor and loyalty is either foolish naivete, or hypocritical nonsense meant to hide politics not too different from the ones he grew up in. And in truth the Star League was full of self-serving political maneuvering under a thin veil of high-minded ideals.

Amaris missed two things. First, he obviously had direly misread the character of Alexander Kerensky, who clearly was not just another plotter angling for a shot at the throne. This was kind of stupid, but I think Amaris simply assumed that Kerensky's devotion to honor and duty had to be a cover for something. He probably figured that under it all, Kerensky was just masquerading as a friend of the Camerons to worm his way into their good graces, just like Amaris was.

The other problem is a weakness of treachery in general. When a system as a whole is governed by rules of honor and ethics, the one or two clever ones who are good at intrigue end up winning big and making fools of everyone else. Treachery is smart, right? But over time, if those kinds of people take over, then the system as a whole is founded in treachery (and trying to maneuver against it) and can't compete. That's what happened here. Amaris's atrocities and insane repressiveness were born of that same assumption that everyone else is playing the same intrigue games that he is. Up to a point, he had to stop a counter-coup, but beyond that it was just stoking public hatred of him and making the Terran Hegemony into an economic/military basket case.

Point being, Amaris's villainy was both inevitably doomed to failure and understandable in even a smart and politically adept man of his background. 131.96.47.18 13:55, 27 April 2018 (EDT)

Drago Kurita's death timing[edit]

Under the Coup d'état section, it seems to indicate that Drago and his family were killed during or shortly after Stefan Amaris's coup in 2766. "As proof of the madness and bloodthirstiness of Amaris is the fact that the valuable hostage was executed in the lead-up of the takeover, but he pretended he was alive to ensure the Combine cooperated with him." Then later in the same section, it says Drago and his family were killed during Kerensky's liberation of Terra in 2779. This is confirmed in the Kurita sourcebook referenced. "Only after Kerensky ... reclaimed Terra did ... the Regular Army found Drago Kurita and his family dead ... apparently murdered by Amaris in the chaos just before the fall of Terra." Is there any source that Drago was already dead in ~2766? I'm going to remove the uncited line for now.

What I've often found when reading/editing Amaris articles is it's clear that some primarily reference the older books such as The Star League or the House books like you mentioned (where inferences were left more to the imagination because they weren't always spelled out), and others exclusively reference the Historical books which are by-in-large the better sources. IMO the articles should really blend the two to give the full dimensions. Anyway to your question, Historical: Liberation of Terra I (2012) says on p. 102: "When Kerensky liberated Terra the bodies of Ambassador Drago and his wife were found murdered in their apartments. The murders were believed to have taken place during Amaris’ withdrawal from Unity City." Csdavis715 (talk) 12:17, 14 September 2023 (EDT)
That would seem to agree with the House book-cited year of death as around ~2779 instead of at the beginning of Amaris's reign in ~2766 I think. I wonder if there's any source for Drago being dead from the beginning. I mean it's an interesting plot point if true.
The only thing that comes to mind is a line in Historical: Liberation of Terra II (p. 105) that says "It soon became apparent to Kerensky and his senior staff that Amaris had fled Unity City long before Operation LIBERATION ever launched." It's possible at first glance someone could interpret my earlier quote as Stefan himself, not his forces. Still, that would be ~2776. Again, I think the original phrasing was just literary license. Csdavis715 (talk) 13:18, 14 September 2023 (EDT)
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ha thanks Novastar (talk) 22:46, 15 September 2023 (EDT)