User talk:Milla

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-- New user message (talk) 21:13, 17 December 2023 (EST)

Notes on crediting Ashley Watkins

Thank you so much for adding that detail to all the pages that needed it. The only thing I changed on them is to use the Internet Archive link so that in the event that the original page is lost for whatever reason, the link would still be valid.--Deadfire (talk) 12:52, 18 December 2023 (EST)

To follow up this.. I want to specifically ask about the change to the Stone Rhino credit. The previous text stated that both Ashley Watkins and Blain Lee Pardoe have both claimed to of created the original design. You changed the text to credit Ashley Watkins and state that BLPs claim is mistaken. Can you substantiate that BLPs claim was made in error?--Dmon (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2023 (EST)

(Not sure I'm doing this reply correctly, sorry if it is wrong!) The original note about BLP's claim said "according to his memory which he admitted could be wrong" where he demonstrates uncertainty whether or not that was his work, but claiming credit for it regardless in his 2018 post. I do understand it is a bit of a broken phone effect because it is interpretation of another wiki writer. Ashley on the other hand posted three years earlier than BLP in her blog that she designed Behemoth, and also provided link to a 2008 post of her original texts for Behemoth www.battletechuniverse.org/viewtopic.php?t=14132 in BTU forum post (unable to add proper links). I don't think BLP made the claim out of ill will or anything like that, but it is clear Ashley made the original statblocks and description and BLP remembered it wrong. The reason I still kept BLP's mention because it was part of the blog often referred on other 'Mechs, even though his credit claim was false. Milla (talk) 18:28, 19 December 2023 (EST)

I agree with your assesment of the situation and BLPs claim is likely incorrect, but unless BLP issues a retraction or a credible third party comes forward then we are restricted in the language we can use. We can't outright state his claim to be false or even that it was made by mistake. This situation is made even more contentious with BLPs recent behaviour causing a major increase in vandalism to BLP related articles on the wiki.--Dmon (talk) 18:57, 19 December 2023 (EST)