User talk:Echo Mirage
Welcome
-- New user message (talk) 06:56, 3 May 2022 (EDT)
Citations
Hey Echo Mirage,
Welcome to Sarna! Nice start on the Space Marine article, you do need to add some citations to back up the info though! Resource if you need it Help:References.--Dmon (talk) 09:35, 3 May 2022 (EDT)
- Thanks! I will probably need to make it a bit neater as well at the rate things are going. I'm also planning to add in a new section listing some more of the other 'black water' marine elements. Echo Mirage (talk) 09:49, 3 May 2022 (EDT)
- Hi EM, Since Dmon already brought up citations in the Space Marine article, I wanted to drop a different suggestion. The "See Also" sections you added are very non-specific. Meaning, you have links to entire articles where only a portion of that article is relevant. Perhaps further breaking it down into sections would help. For example: "Transports", "Actions Involving Space Marines", and "Sources Containing Rules for Space Marines" would divide it up. Then link to the most specific section possible in the article, where available.--Cache (talk) 16:26, 3 May 2022 (EDT)
- Ok, I'll see if I can refine the links in that section a bit more tomorrow. Thanks for the suggestion! Echo Mirage (talk) 16:36, 3 May 2022 (EDT)
Infantry weapons
Hey Echo Mirage, I reverted your edits on the PM231 article as there is an active effort to rebuild the Infantry Weapons section away from the 73,000 sub categories we currently have, the plan is to strip it right back and basically start again.--Dmon (talk) 21:52, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
- Same on the Terran Arms XM30 Carbine.--Dmon (talk) 21:54, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
- Ok, but do you mind if I add back the 'Terran Alliance' category to the two articles then? I'll ask you later which other ones it would be safe to add back while the rework is ongoing. Echo Mirage (talk) 21:59, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
- I guess you could add Terran Alliance back in, I have not decided what the new category structure is going to be yet, I do not think we have enough info to build a nation based category tree though.--Dmon (talk) 22:10, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
- Thanks! Echo Mirage (talk) 22:13, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
- I guess you could add Terran Alliance back in, I have not decided what the new category structure is going to be yet, I do not think we have enough info to build a nation based category tree though.--Dmon (talk) 22:10, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
- Ok, but do you mind if I add back the 'Terran Alliance' category to the two articles then? I'll ask you later which other ones it would be safe to add back while the rework is ongoing. Echo Mirage (talk) 21:59, 10 May 2022 (EDT)
Good Morning! Would there be any problem with me adding the 'Technology' category to the above two articles? Echo Mirage (talk) 06:50, 11 May 2022 (EDT)
- Good Morning! There is not really reason for the technology category to be in an individual weapon article, it is a "meta" category. Category:Infantry Weapons could be in technology, or maybe a step further and separate things like rifles, pistols etc but a PM231 is not a technology in of itself. Similar issue with the JumpShips you are adding the Terran Alliance category too, do individual jumpships belong in a top level category about an entire nation?
- The wiki format lends itself to the creation of "category soup" where everything is thrown in, but what we really need is "category trees".--Dmon (talk) 07:11, 11 May 2022 (EDT)
- I see what you mean. With regards as to the individual TSN jumpships, I was trying to gather them together in one place, pending some category refinement later. I'll try a bit of that now. Echo Mirage (talk) 07:20, 11 May 2022 (EDT)
- I think you kinda need to take some time to layout what you are planning Echo. (Your user page is a good place to do this), refinement is good but stuff like the history category.. If you look at what is in there already it is full of articles called History of xxxxx, so that gives you an indication of the current direction. The fact that History of the Terran Alliance does not exist is not a reason to turn the history category into a "soup" of anything related to the history of--Dmon (talk) 09:29, 11 May 2022 (EDT)
- Yes, my category bonsai may need some more work! Think I will come back to that another day, and just work on some more articles for now! Echo Mirage (talk) 09:34, 11 May 2022 (EDT)
When working with Spacecraft, a good person to talk to is User:BrokenMnemonic. He did a lot of the work on the spacecraft on here. If you start getting into Word of Blake Naval Assets, let me know: I am slowly but surely working on that. I don't know of anyone else who is focusing on the Terran Alliance stuff, so congrats, you found yourself a niche. :) --Talvin (talk) 08:28, 11 May 2022 (EDT)
- Thanks lads! Echo Mirage (talk) 08:31, 11 May 2022 (EDT)
Faction Equipment
KungsArmé#Equipment. We find it best to not try to out-MUL the MUL. Faction lists of equipment were removed from the wiki because they are impossible to properly maintain and the MUL is a free (official) resource. The categories that remain cover only equipment manufactured by factions. --Cache (talk) 11:33, 12 May 2022 (EDT)
- Hi. I wasn't trying to make a comprehensive list, just a sampling of the units used, and concentrating where possible on equipment made domestically. Echo Mirage (talk) 11:39, 12 May 2022 (EDT)
- I see somebody else has already raised it, I was just looking at the Rotunda article and was going to ask about the support for it being produced for ComStar given that the article says "The design became extinct outside of the stockpiled examples in the military forces of ComStar and the Word of Blake.". That is something very different.--Dmon (talk) 19:04, 13 May 2022 (EDT)
- I thought the category was for equipment that was produced and/or used by Comstar? Echo Mirage (talk) 19:09, 13 May 2022 (EDT)
- The text did say that but it should not of, As Cache has already said, the MUL is built specifically for the purpose of charting who uses what. The wiki is more interested in who builds things, especially since third succession war scavenger culture means that literally every faction has had every unit at some point. For a real world example of our thinking, the M1 Abrams. It is an American Tank, and you would be hard pressed to find anybody who says different despite the fact that half a dozen diffent countries use them.--Dmon (talk) 19:21, 13 May 2022 (EDT)
- The Abrams might not be the best example to use there, despite it eventually becoming one of the best tanks in history, due to its rather tangled history, procurement and otherwise. ;) As to the MUL, it is a handy quick reference, but for in-depth coverage it does have a fair number of shortcomings not least of which is that more than a few canon units still don't have entries, or complete ones at least. With regards as to 'Category:ComStar Combat Vehicles' and others like it, I feel that you may be unnecessarily narrowing their scope. For instance, Comstar actually outsourced the production of lot of its equipment to outside companies as it expanded its forces, though pre-Schism at least, a lot of these companies were actually Comstar front companies, or were otherwise heavily controlled or influenced by the Order. Post-schism there was an explosion in technology transfers, licence production agreements and the like between Comstar and genuinely external parties, in both directions, as it tried to regain lost trust while refocusing on joint efforts to defeat the Clans. Echo Mirage (talk) 11:23, 15 May 2022 (EDT)