Talk:Lyran Guards

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Is the information in this section not better folded into the already similar (but enhanced with wiki links) section Units of the Lyran Guards? --Dmon 20:48, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Hy Dmon, i removed the double content, we dont need double content with no links.--Doneve 00:27, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Brigade zenith[edit]

The FM:LA states, that the Lyran Guards brigade numbered more than 60 regiments on their zenit. However, the Brigade has more than 50 regiments in 3060 all in all. Since several RCTs has been destroyed during the Clan invasion, the zenit of the Brigade was between the 4th Succession War and the Clan Invasion and *not* prior the 1st Succfession War (btw, there is absolutely NO source stating anything else!). — The preceding unsigned comment was provided by (talkcontribs) on 11 June 2012.

Keep in mind, the conventional regiments used by the RCTs were NOT the same thing as the actual proper independent Lyran Guard units that existed before the Age of War era. Most of those 60 regiments weren't 'mechs, they were armored vehicles (or even infantry). Still, they were independent commands. ClanWolverine101 17:16, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
That's quite right, but the LM:LA (which is quite faulty itself, btw) doesn't state neither "almost 60 independend regiment" or "almost 60 Mech regiments" but quote "almost 60 regiments". In addition, other BT sources treat the matter quite similar. The SB:House Davion (The Federated Suns) for example quotes, that the Davion Brigade of Guards numbered 8 Mech and fifty lesser regiments, despite the conventional regiments are part of the Davion Guards RCTs. However, the FM:LA does state that the years prior 3060 have been quite difficult, because several RCTs have been destroyed during the Clan Invasion.
In addition, the phrase "over 60 regiments before the First Succession War" implies that over 40 Lyran Guards regiments have been destroyed during this war (or at least the 4th Succession War).
Thus, this is why I re-edited it into "prior the Clan invasion". Most Lyran Guards units already had RCT status at this time. Actually, this point is confirmed by the Wolf and Jade Falcon sourcebooks and the 20th year update. Thus, the Guards' strength was almost certainly at its peak after the War of 3039 and prior the Clan Invasion. In addition, the phrase "prior the Clan Invasion" includes the phrase "prior the 1st Succession War", anyway^^
However, if you re-edit the article without any proof again, I'll be forced to report you for vandalism since you're just posting your own opinion without anything to back it up. — The preceding unsigned comment was provided by (talkcontribs) on 22 June 2012.
I have long had the impression that most of the BattleMech brigades are in fact mixed arms forces with only the interesting units showcased. The only examples I have found to date are the Davion Brigade of Guards who know both that they have around 60 regiments/RCTs and even one being named as the 782nd Davion Guards Auxiliary, an elite infantry regiment. The Galedon Regulars are another one with 156th Galedon Regulars being a Heavy tank regiment. --Dmon 23:04, 11 June 2012 (PDT)
I agree. However, the original BattleForce scenario pack "The Galtor Campaign" (which also mentioned the Davion Guards infantry unit) also states, that at least a part of the Avalon Hussars Brigade were tank regiments.— The preceding unsigned comment was provided by by (talkcontribs) on 22 June 2012.
Anon, you're missing something in that paragraph. FM:LA does state that the the Lyran Guard numbered 60 regiments at its zenith, and the source does not say when that zenith was. Nonetheless, if you read the rest of that sentence, it states, "but today only ten remain." Count up the regiments; there are 10 Guard BattleMech regiments detailed in FM:LA. The text does not specifically state that it's referring to 'Mech units, but it clearly is. --Scaletail 18:15, 23 June 2012 (PDT)