Talk:Jump Point

Remove cleanup template?

Article reads clearly, no obvious errors. Remove cleanup? 71.199.233.118 06:27, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

While at a glance it could probably stand to have more superfluous links and {{citation needed}} templates, I'd say it's fine as is. Remember to be bold, young padawan. On second look there's one or two things not in-line with the Manual of Style, but it's hardly enough to warrant a {{cleanup}} template. --Xoid 06:37, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

--Ebakunin ^{(talk|contribs)} 07:08, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

While you're here… any idea why the Manual of Style insists upon "American this", "American that", yet advocates logical quotation over the American favoured "we'll mangle quotations by adding punctuation that may or may not alter the meaning"? --Xoid 07:45, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Frivolously snarky answer: because the American English spelling helps prevent edit wars over what is proper, by settling up front using the source material as the basis, but acknowledging that American grammar can often be wrong when it comes to handling context? Oh, BTW ,you mis-spelled 'favor.' --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:20, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Whether ending punctuation is on the inside or outside of the quotation marks is a stylistic choice. Also, I writez good. --Scaletail 15:02, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

From XKCD.com. --Ebakunin ^{(talk|contribs)} 16:26, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Anon's Editing Notes

Like my description note said, the words "transient" and "Lagrange" don't show up in rulebooks (at least) before BattleForce 2, p. 71 (and carried forward to AeroTech 2, p. 72). Contrast with DropShips & JumpShips - Operations Manual, p. 30 and BattleSpace - Rulebook, p. 44. Text and the long-lived diagram of a sphere indicate that transient points weren't considered yet. I even checked MechWarrior, 2nd ed.

Looking at the outer "life zone" distances in Campaign Operations, the rule of thumb for finding the distance saved when using a non-transient pirate point is to subtract 1 from the star's subtype before entering the "Proximity Point Table." Doing that for a few selected star types in travel times results in the time savings I cited of around 5% to 10%. A proper spreadsheet analysis of all possible time savings is left as an exercise for the reader.

Compared to AeroTech 2, p. 57, Strategic Operations: Advanced Aerospace Rules, p. 76 seems to have lost the note in the "Hyperspace Navigation Table" indicating that the +4 modifier for using a transient point is cumulative with the +4 modifier for using a non-standard point (a "double pirate point" penalty, if you will). I suspect this is both caused by and contributes to the confusion around the definition of "pirate point."

Personal speculation: "transient points" got added because authors did the math and realized "pirate points" as written in the old rulebooks didn't lead to the kinds of time savings seen in lore & fiction.

Personal prediction: someone writing something important will confuse a Lagrange point with a barycenter.— The preceding unsigned comment was posted by 192.145.116.143 (talk • contribs) .

The main issue I am seeing right now is what are the terms used "in universe" because as far as Sarna is concerned, lore is literally everything no matter what the rules say. And reading this, I am thinking that all your work is 100% rules based.--Dmon (talk) 06:26, 23 October 2023 (EDT)