User talk:Pserratv

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Again, welcome to Sarna's BattleTechWiki!

*******Be Bold*******

-- New user message (talk) 07:54, 8 June 2016 (PDT)

Personal Welcome[edit]

Thanks for joining! You're right, the spanish edition BT is mostly unknown territory here on Sarna. Heck, German was the biggest translated edition and I haven't come round to giving it a good coverage here yet.

Going by the differences in the German edition, a few questions:

  • Which novels were translated?
  • Did they change product content in Spain like they did in Germany? Like, changing short stories, art, "kitbashing" stuff from several sourcebooks together into a new one, or even add content such as new 'Mech variants?

Frabby (talk) 08:54, 27 November 2017 (EST)

I hope I answer correctly:
  • Which novels were translated? --> When I started only the basic ones (the two trilogies), though they expanded. Now we have all these:
http://www.tercerafundacion.net/biblioteca/ver/coleccion/56
  • Did they change product content in Spain like they did in Germany? Like, changing short stories, art, "kitbashing" stuff from several sourcebooks together into a new one, or even add content such as new 'Mech variants? --> There was nothing changed in spanish in terms of mech names, but in terms of weapon names, all were changed, this included the recordsheed themselves.

pserratv (talk) 17:10, 27 November 2017 (EST)

Magazines[edit]

Very happy to see your magazine articles - this is good info, so thank you! I've put them on my to-do list for tidying up, but they arent't too bad. I've been toying with the idea to create a "BattleTech articles in magazines" article and if and when that happens I may fold those articles into the summary article. But that's a long time in the future, if ever.

As for articles on individual 'Mechs, I don't think they are notable enough because none of those magazines had any official sanction. So they are fully non-canonical (as in, their content was never a "BattleTech" publication but instead a tie-in). As such, the 'Mechs and scenarios featured therein are non-canon and not apocryphal. Frabby (talk) 09:23, 29 November 2017 (EST)

TCI Model Kits[edit]

If you're interested in more detail about those model kits, drop me a mail to frabbybc /at/ googlemail.com. ;) Frabby (talk) 17:58, 8 December 2017 (EST)


Reinventing the wheel[edit]

Pserratv, whilst I appreciate the enthusiasm and we encourage people to be bold, you do not need to reinvent the wheel! If you find yourself writing an article have a look at other articles and see how they handle things (like multiple planets in a system or brigade level commands), a lot of these things have been talked out and done in a very specific way for a reason. There are still gaps in the wiki but a lot of things have also already been done.

I refer you to project BattleTechWiki:Project Military Commands and BattleTechWiki:Project Planets, BattleTechWiki talk:Planet Article Overhaul where a lot of these things where standardized, these might help. Keep up the good work and feel free to ask if you want help with anything.--Dmon (talk) 10:17, 30 December 2017 (EST)

I fully understand your comments, but I would like to explain myself better.

First, on the Mica planets, I saw the Mica Majority entre, and there I saw: Planetary Data

   Colonized Planets: Mica II, V, VII
   Star Type: K3V
   Positions in System: 2, 5, 7
   Time to Jump Point: 4.3, 4.6, 5.1 days
   Recharging Station: Zenith
   HPG Class Type: B

Where there was no link to Mica II because the entry did not exist. Only Mica I, V and VII. So I decided to copy & paste Mica I as Mica II to amend this. Indeed the existing planet is Mica II. Then I amended the links between them. Maybe the correct way of doing was having a single article for the 3 Mican planets (as they are in the same system). If that is the issue sorry for doing just a partial amendmend.

On mercenary commands, I was copying Wolf Dragoons format. Let me explain: if you look in any of the Mercenary Handboods/Readouts units are named by their big name: Kell Hounds, Wolf Dragoons, Khorsakiv's Kossacs, Lindon's Battalion... The last one has a "single unit" so everything is in a single article. The other ones have several regiments and they list the global information and then the regiments one by one. It makes sense to have a placeholder article with the global information and then articles on each regiment, which has already been done. So what I think and I did already explain is that in the mercenary list we have to link only let's say the parent unit, not the subcommands. While doing my first test I saw that in Wolf's Dragoons there was a subcategory to easily list the subcommands and I though... let's copy it. If the general idea is to keep this only for iconic units... we need a "list" of iconic units. But I still think that the list of mercenary commands should only link the global units.

Minor units and Characters[edit]

Hey Pserratv, Just wanted to say thank you for adding the minor units and characters you have been adding. These are the kind of things I personally feel the Wiki can never have too many along with the Planets, (RPG fodder for GM's to use), So I have would like to present you with an award to show my appreciation.

Random Act of Appreciation Award, 1st ribbon

i have also taken the opportunity to move your projects list onto your profile and install an awards board. --Dmon (talk) 13:10, 9 January 2018 (EST)

Westerhand Cat[edit]

Hey,

I have flagged your Westerhand Category for deletion and changed the link in the character article to Capellan, if we go down the route of planet specific categories then we could potentially create thousands of new categories for no real reason. --Dmon (talk) 06:14, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

No problem at all. I did it and even I was not sure. Solaris VII has a valid list of warriors that really make for a category. Westerhand as a gaming world is small. Same I feel for Noisel for example.--Pserratv (talk) 06:16, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
Maybe something more specific like [Westerhand Games Characters], I put a note in the Solaris Category a few weeks ago prompting a similar move there, but it is not really actionable until the technical problems the site is having are solved.--Dmon (talk) 06:24, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
I've been thinking and we could group the other Game Worlds in a category (non-Solaris Games Worlds) or something like this--Pserratv (talk) 08:08, 5 May 2018 (EDT)
I agree it is a good idea, Not sure what to call it though, (non-Solaris Games Worlds) is descriptive but sounds rather lacking.--Dmon (talk) 08:12, 5 May 2018 (EDT)
Given that Solaris is the Game World, how about "Lesser Games Worlds" or "Minor Games Worlds"? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:24, 5 May 2018 (EDT)
I'm not english native speaker, for me "Minor Games Worlds" sounds better :)--Pserratv (talk) 18:29, 5 May 2018 (EDT)
"Minor" is a weasel word that should always be avoided as much as possible. For the time being, I'm willing to accept that Solaris VII overshines 'Mech games on all other worlds so much that it has become synonymous with 'Mech games - but admittedly I'm not 100% happy with that either. Perhaps a Category: 'Mech Games should be used as it's a neutral title, and Solaris Games, Category: Solaris Games, Category: Westerhand Games, Category: Noisiel Games, etc. all redirect there. Would that be a workable compromise? Frabby (talk) 15:15, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
I feel the same about the word Frabby, so I think your idea is the most workable thus far.--Dmon (talk) 15:19, 6 May 2018 (EDT)
I've seen there is a link Category:Game Worlds. We should link the articles here I feel.--Pserratv (talk) 17:49, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

Untranslated Products category[edit]

This actually a good idea. But I'd suggest dividing it up even move, with a Category:Foreign language products master category, and one sub-category for each product, i.e. Category:German language products, Category:French language products, Category:Spanish language products, etc. - I am busy right now but I'll install the categories later today (or later this week, or soon (TM) anyways). Feel free to get ahead of me. :) Frabby (talk) 07:39, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

Yes, this seems like a common sense idea--Dmon (talk) 08:38, 18 April 2018 (EDT)
Implementing it. I'll kill after that the link to the untranslated categories--Pserratv (talk) 08:39, 18 April 2018 (EDT)

Waldorff City Police Department[edit]

While doing a review of Recent Changes, the term Waldorff City Police Department caught my eye. I realize you started the article back in January, but I thought you should be recognized for the quirkiness of the article. So please accept the Surreal Award for your efforts chronicling the heroics of this beleaguered police force.

Surreal Award, 1st ribbon

I also the Edit Count award is way overdue, as you have logged 2,642 edits since you joined in June of 2016, as is the Time In Service Award. Both of these you can update yourself, but I'll add all three to your awards board right now, for you.

Thank you. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 15:55, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Thanks! I do not know how to track the board, and I have no idea on how to track contributions. If you tell me how, thanks again!--Pserratv (talk) 07:24, 10 May 2018 (EDT)
When you find your name on the User Score page (found on the Sidebar), you will see your countable edits. If you click on that number and then sort by oldest, you'll find when you first joined and edited Sarna.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 14:26, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Juggernaut[edit]

Afternoon, Pserratv. Would you please confirm that the pages numbers associated with the BattleMech role Juggernaut Classic BattleTech Introductory Box Set are the same as were cited for the Classic BattleTech Introductory Rulebook (i.e., pp. 51 & 54)? I presume that the citation for the box set might need to specifically refer to a certain titled booklet within, and I have doubts the page numbers still line up. Thanks. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 16:57, 18 May 2018 (EDT)

I only edited a link that was broken... I imagined the original owner was ok.--Pserratv (talk) 11:43, 19 May 2018 (EDT)
I don't think the link was broken, but rather the article had not been created, right? The Introductory Rulebook (a free PDF) and the Introductory Box Set are two different products, so (I presume) page numbers for the former would not apply to the latter. If I'm misunderstanding, please let me know. Thank you. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 11:46, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

Hendrik Grimm Wanted Poster[edit]

Nice find. But, as you point out, it is dated 2987 so obviously doesn't refer to Hendrik Grimm III. It is a valuable lead to Hendrik Grimm II's tenure though. Can you cite the source? Generally, when uploading images, please make use of the Template:Image summary to provide the neccessary information along with the image. Frabby (talk) 12:38, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

I'll amend both and ensure dates and references are posted!--Pserratv (talk) 12:40, 22 May 2018 (EDT)
Also learned a new thing today... I've uploaded a few images... never used this template! Sorry--Pserratv (talk) 12:46, 22 May 2018 (EDT)
No apologies. Frabby is just seeking to enhance the value you're already providing.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 14:20, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

The Wylde Cards[edit]

Pserratv,

Thank you for editing The Wylde Cards page. As their creator, I appreciate the help you gave with organization, as I am still learning the ropes.

No problem. I got a lot of help at the beginning, so no worries. As the page says, be bold!--Pserratv (talk) 09:41, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

House Youngblood[edit]

I did a quick edit of the House Youngblood pages, they look good! Those folks have way to many relatives.

Straw Boss (talk) 12:37, 24 May 2018 (EDT)
Most apocryphal, but yes!!--Pserratv (talk) 12:40, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

Dice Sets[edit]

Not sure if individual third-party pieces of apparel like these dice sets deserve their own articles. I'm sure there's been at least five different sets of "official" dice in the past ten years when you count GenCon specials. (Funny that they only put regular dice and not those shiny BT dice into the starter boxes, come to think of it.) If we're going down this rabbit hole then there's a zillion articles coming up that imho have very limited informative value. I've long thought about a catchall article called BattleTech Apparel but the sheer size of the field has so far kept me from doing anything there.

And yes, we do have the BattleTech Patches article. But these were a FASA product, not one of a myriad of third-party products.

I am not even against this article; I just want to voice my thoughts and hopefully incite a fruitful discussion. So... discuss! :) Frabby (talk) 15:17, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

I added them there because by the photos and everything they say also Catalyst. And they are sold in that webpage--Pserratv (talk) 17:50, 24 May 2018 (EDT)
It is something i am interested in a a sarna user. In fact i have gone on an online search spree in the past trying to find all of the BattleTech dice sets released over the years; having that info on Sarna would have helped a lot. I do see the argument in the massive amounts of 3rd party products that could be added, but personally i am in favor of letting dice in as they are used in game. --Straw Boss (talk) 17:59, 24 May 2018 (EDT)
I've seen what Straw Boss has done (checked it myself). And we have also the Dice Sets from MechWarrior Dark Age... the GenCon ones... not sure. Which ones were sold and which weren't? Which do have an official Catalyst OK? That should be the line in my opinion.--Pserratv (talk) 18:02, 24 May 2018 (EDT)

I feel a bit stupid now that Straw Boss has called me out on judging the relevance based on my own interests. :) Just because I am not a miniatures or apparel guy myself and don't particularly care about those doesn't mean the articles are irrelevant.

With that in mind, I suggest to create a Category and start drawing up as many articles as we can. There should of course be a minimum of meaningful content in these articles, and images (photos) are particularly important. Question to native speakers though: According to my dictionary, "Apparel" only refers to clothing. Is it an appropriate catchall word for BT sidelines merchandise such as T-shirts, patches, dice, mugs, keychains, checks, and what-have-you? Is there a better term or name for the category? Frabby (talk) 03:32, 26 May 2018 (EDT)

I would go with "Accessories". -- Straw Boss (talk) 03:38, 26 May 2018 (EDT)
"Accessories" seems a good call, "Apparel" would be clothing. Both would have a place in the top level products category I created last month. [Category:BattleTech Universe Products] --Dmon (talk) 04:09, 26 May 2018 (EDT)
Sounds good. Thanks guys. Let's do this. --> Category:BattleTech Accessories Frabby (talk) 04:43, 26 May 2018 (EDT)

You are in demand[edit]

I am part of a BattleTech group on Facebook and i think someone is trying to connect with you:

From Facebook user: Magnus Ooferson

Any spanish battletech guys here from http://puntonadir.foroactivo.com/

I don't speak spanish myself so can't figure out how to join, but wanted to get in touch with a user on it called pserratv regarding his solaris stuff.

any help getting me in contact with him is appreciated thank you

-- 17:13, 25 May 2018‎ Straw Boss

Sent him a message. Let's see--Pserratv (talk) 18:03, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

Unit officer section[edit]

Hey Pserratv, I have noticed that you have dropped the officer tables from your newly created unit articles and have started simply putting in text. Can I ask why? --Dmon (talk) 10:08, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

That is what the template says... it has no table there. I can add it when I know.--Pserratv (talk) 10:17, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
Template needs updating then. Cheers --Dmon (talk) 10:20, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
I've updated unit. Will update template now :)--Pserratv (talk) 10:21, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
Thank you :-) --Dmon (talk) 10:22, 7 June 2018 (EDT)
Done. You are mostly welcomed! And thanks for comment.--Pserratv (talk) 10:24, 7 June 2018 (EDT)