User talk:Volt

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Y coordinates

Hi Volt,

it's great that you have taken up the thankless task of fixing the system coordinates. That's one of the glaring problems on BTW that few people find the time to improve so your work on this is particularly welcome.

However, please don't triangulate if you can help it - that will produce inaccurate results. For most core systems, the correct coordinates are put down in the old housebooks on the last pages; unfortunately, the free PDF scans don't include that data. Personally, I only own the Kurita housebook in paper format. Next best source would be the IS Atlas, though it is only a meta-source. It should be right most of the time. Just don't cite it as a source.

If you absolutely need to triangulate a coordinate or otherwise guess the coordinates by reading them from a map, please indicate clearly in the coordinates section that the coordinates are an approximation and may be inaccurate. Frabby 08:52, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi Frabby,

Yeah, sorry about the triangulation thing, it's the most accessible scientific procedure I know of because I don't have access to any of the old source books except Warriors of Kerensky. I checked with IS Atlas and thankfully the data I put in matched to the 2nd decimal. I didn't change any data outright because I was unsure of the veracity of the data.

Also, are you familiar with Comstar Historical Archives Website? I combined the list of planets from there to what we have here and what's on IS Atlas, and I've gotten a total of 2,249 worlds! That doesn't count those listed under the CBT forum listing "Unmapped, Lost or Misnamed planets". I don't know if I'll have enough free time for listing them all down, then mapping those that already have confirmed coordinates, but I'll see how far I can go with this work.

-Volt 15:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hy Volt, iam very interested on your planets map project, can you tell me what a programm you use, to create new maps, and who is the procedure, thanks.--Doneve 16:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Hey Doneve, I use AutoCAD to manually plot all the planets. I take the coordinates and draw a 1-unit diameter circle to represent each planet, 3-diameter one for a regional capital and 5-diameter one for the national capitals (thinking about resizing them once I get a better feel for the overall scale of the map). Am currently at 274 out of 2,249 (identified so far) planets. After mapping the planets I intend to apply solid colored hatches to represent ownership per era. Still a long way to go but it's the best I can come up with since the usual cartography sites have not been updated in years. -Volt 00:54, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

CBT Interstellar Map Viewer

Hy Volt, i copy this post from Rev. What your are think, is the programm usefull.--Doneve 01:09, 2 July 2011 (UTC) copyed from Rev talk page

Take a look at the thread on CBT forums (specifically this post). Bad_Syntax is working on a planetary mapping program that does a whole slew of things, including mapping jump routes. For us, what jumped out at me was the program will link directly to a planet's BTW article. I'd love to see a real move to formalize the articles, ala BattleMechs. I know Frabby prefers not to align himself with any one project, but I nominate him as Planetary Head Honcho. --Revanche ^(talk|

hey Doneve, i tried clicking the link but i get "The topic or board you are looking for appears to be either missing or off limits to you" message. Also couldn't find anything on the forums from Bad_Syntax about the mapping program, i think i read about that message from Revanche on the Projects Planets page so I decided to finally start plotting the planets manually myself -Volt 05:17, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

The old CBT forum was archived after a hacking earlier this year. I have changed the link above to the archived thread, it should work now. Frabby 11:35, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok i got the link, thanks! This is what I've been looking for. I guess I'll just have to study the data and correct some of the errors. I see some planets hopping from one location to another between eras. You mentioned in Project Planets that you have your own data? You think we could update the data on the IMV and clean up some of what's in there to get a more accurate map? -Volt 02:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Question

Hy Volt, at first iam not a fluff writer (to many handycaps about englisch ;), i read your last system coordinates post, the problem is we have so many published maps, on various soures and i agree with you we must work from one [Master Map], and i think this is the Map of the Inner Sphere 3130, what is the best programm or software to handle this problem, the cartographer don't work as best in my sense, Adobe Publisher was refered as working, but i think not really, AutoCAD hmm, have you any idea what is the best.--Doneve 00:21, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Doneve, don't worry, English is not my prime language as well. Yes, that is the map that I will be using as base map. At this time I am using Adobe Illustrator. I open the PDF file, then click on the white circles (not the black outlines) to get the X and Y coordinates in pixels. I then put these on my excel file that converts the scale to 1LY = 1pixel. These coordinates become my base for when I convert the other maps. My spreadsheet automatically converts the raw coordinates from those maps into the scale of the "Master" or "Base" map based on the averaged scale of 5 different worlds (I normally use the top-most, bottom-most, left-most, right-most and middle system that is available to both the master map and the one I want to convert as basis for scale).

Let me know if you need help with the process. --Volt 07:36, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Maps

Hy Volt i found a question on a forum about the 3075 Map, i think we take our view of the new published Field Manual: 3085 Map (fall under moratorium), i think this works well, any thoughts.--Doneve 15:53, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Hey Doneve, yup I saw the 3085 map and I have to say I like the colors on that one. I've already even extrapolated the four new systems on that map and added them to my list. I'm just trying to collect all two-page maps in PDF version for sentimental reasons, since I did not use the 3075 map at all for extrapolating coordinates (all systems on the 3075 map are also found on the 3063 map from Era Report: 3062). Can't wait for Handbook: House Kurita to come out! -Volt 01:50, 18 January 2012 (PST)

Substantial Addition award

Great job with the update of the Clan Invasion article. I'm glad to see you're applying your planetary expertise to improving the articles that need it most. To show my appreciation for your efforts this day, I'm awarding you the Editor's Substantial Addition award.

I'm also adding the award's board and the Time In Service (6 months) ribbon to your user page (now you're no longer a red shirt!). When you've been here 9 months (March 29, 2012), please update this award and when you hit 100 edits (search for your name on Special:UserScore), you can add that Edit Count ribbon. Glad to have you aboard!--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 06:47, 29 January 2012 (PST)

too cool! Thanks, Rev, I'm honored. The entire point of developing my database was so that the fans get the most accurate data possible. Work in progress, but getting better with each passing day.-Volt 16:34, 29 January 2012 (PST)

Silence

Hi Volt, Doneve and I have just done a run through sarna updated the planet entries for all of the worlds depicted on the map of the Inner Sphere from 2596 shown in Historical: Reunification War. I took the opportunity to update a lot of the entries with detail from the Map of the Inner Sphere 3130 put together for Mechwarrior: Age of Destruction, and noticed something a little odd. I think the world of Ougadougou has reappeared on maps. There's a world that's appeared in the Bjarred Prefecture of the Draconis Combine called "Silence" that from my crude overlay one map on another photoshop perspective looks to be in the same place as Ougadougou, but Silence isn't listed in the most recent System Co-ordinates file I've got - am I version behind? Or has this tricksy little world sneaked through? BrokenMnemonic 00:00, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Hi BM, Yup, Ougadougou=Silence, I have it in my updated list. I think you may have Bad_Syntax's old list with you. you can download he latest list I have in here, I've added the Chainelane Isles there and updated all the coordinates based on the 3130 map scaling while using a different formula so you will notice some differences from the original coordinates from Syntax. -Volt 15:15, 24 February 2012 (PST)

I've taken a quick look at the Mediafire folder - which file is the one with the correct co-ordinates in? Do we have a definitely final set of co-ordinates for all the planets? Doneve and I went through all the entries here updating to the last list we had from Bad_Syntax, but I gather all of the co-ordinates have changed again, and I'd rather not go through them all again more than once... BrokenMnemonic 15:55, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Ugh, iam with BM...oh my god.--Doneve 15:58, 24 February 2012 (PST)

er, yeah... the correct file is systems by era.xlsx. Unfortunately the coordinates are meant to be dynamic, taking into account possible future information on correct scaling, or any future rulings from TBTB. As it stands now, all locations and distances are based on the 3130 scale, assuming the X and Y coordinates are scaled uniformly, and on the 3067 deep periphery map from WoR. There are obvious discrepancies if you run the maps through illustrator, but I've taken precaution to either minimize or eliminate such discrepancies by using common reference points to merge the systems in a uniform scale. As such if for example we eventually get the correct scale of the Hanseatic League, it will only affect the systems in the league and not all the systems. If we get new canon scales for the inner sphere, it will only affect the IS systems, not the deep periphery worlds, and so on...-Volt 16:05, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Owner History

Holla Volt, welcome in the owner history update team , i hope you have fun, but i think you can include more citiations by the Era Report: 3062 and Jihad: Final Reckoning maps, take a look on Techne's Revenge what i mean, but good to have you here.--Doneve 15:27, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Hey Doneve, well I had a bunch of data on owner history from my database, so I decided I might as well reflect that here. I was originally running through the systems to see if I have any mis-tagged ownership but looks like the opposite just happened haha. I'm not really sure which is out of moratorium so I limited myself to pre-3025 just to be on the safe side.

Is there a script that we can use to automate this monster? I was hoping for something similar for the coordinates so that when/if more accurate information becomes available it would be a breeze to do. -Volt 15:35, 28 February 2012 (PST)

The best way is you set up a talk to Nic, the father of sarna, he added at first all planet pages by coordinates by a bot, but make some mistakes about the coordinates, set up at first a talk to him, and send him your data, and i hope he can help us to tackle this monster.--Doneve 15:48, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Cool, I'll do that! Thanks for the pointer -Volt 15:50, 28 February 2012 (PST)

No problem, Dude i where very appriciated to have you on bord.--Doneve 15:54, 28 February 2012 (PST)

I have the nasty feeling from things Nic's said before that to get the update done via script might involve overwriting the entire article... as I'm adding owner history details from text entries at the moment (curse you, pre-Capellan Confederation states) the thought of losing all those dates dug out of house books makes me whimper. Given how many maps there are scattered throughout the sourcebooks, getting all of the maps relevant to a world cited in the owner history can be a bit of an elephant task... I think I'm up to 16 or 17 entries on some of the Outworlds Alliance worlds, although I'm guessing half of those are from the 31st century. I'm hoping that Øystein will give us a nice 2760-ish map of the entire Inner Sphere somewhere in the two Liberation of Terra books... even though I know that will probably mean adding lots more worlds to Sarna. Although, one thing I find a little odd given comments by TPTB about how destructive the 1st Succession War was is that when you compare the 2750 map of the Rim Worlds Republic, which shows most of the Lyran Commonwealth, and the 2822 Lyran Commonwealth map, only a handful of worlds have vanished between the two. BrokenMnemonic 23:54, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Ugh, looks like we're doing everything by hand, then...

On a different note, from what is currently available from the maps, we lost 49 systems from 2750 to 2822 [1st SW], 145 systems from 2822 to 2864 [2nd SW], 492 from 2864 to 3025 [3rd SW], and only one from 3025 to 3030 [4th SW]. Of course the 49 systems looks rather unimpressive because the only time we have maps of those at this time are those from MB:MPS, which shows very little of the five houses except for LC. Regardless, I don't see how the devastation in the 1st SW will match or even surpass that of the 3rd SW.-Volt 02:32, 29 February 2012 (PST)

2750

I forgot to say the most 2750 owner history date is created by Nic when he stard his bot project on first days of sarna, we don't delete the date, i hope when Historical: Liberation of Terra, Vol I was published we found maps to correct this problem.--Doneve 16:47, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Thanks, Doneve. I actually have a big chunk of blank space in my database for 2750 to 2821, so I do hope that Historical sees the light of day with some juicy maps for us. It's also going to be a big update on my database when we see when each of the five houses eat up the former Hegemony worlds. I didn't touch the 2750 ownership, just put in comments on the talk pages so it would be easy go get back to them if/when we finally have the info available.-Volt 16:51, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Glad to help, sorry for my raw writing , but you understand me LoL.--Doneve 16:56, 28 February 2012 (PST)

English is not my primary language so I can infer what you mean from what you write hehe. We need more people on this team, there's a whole lot of updating needed LOL-Volt 17:02, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Haha, i know, what is your primary language, hope i don't steep on your feeds or so.--Doneve 17:14, 28 February 2012 (PST)

My primary language is gibberish, from the land of Crazy, where people update wiki at work instead of what they should be really doing haha.-Volt 17:21, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Shoot, wrong talk by me.--Doneve 17:27, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Uploading Database info

Hy Volt, Seth can help us to automatise the owner history and other thinks but need more info from you, please talk to Seth.--Doneve 10:01, 29 February 2012 (PST)

Hi Doneve, yup I read Seth's reply in Nic's talk page and responded accordingly, thanks!-Volt 16:31, 29 February 2012 (PST)

Liao

Hy Volt, great distance sheet :), but i miss the planet Liao, or have i tomato on my eyes.--Doneve 16:04, 7 March 2012 (PST)

Ugh, i see the planet was first named as Cynthiana, i have tomatos.--Doneve 16:08, 7 March 2012 (PST)

Hi Doneve, sorry for the late reply, the real wold kinda caught up with me. Yup, I picked-up the name change from [Handbook: House Liao] I'm considering opening the hold handbooks for more allegiance and name changes when/if I find the time to... my sourcebook and novel reading backlog has just grown with Liberation of Terra v1 coming out... -Volt 02:47, 9 March 2012 (PST)

Discrepance

Hy Volt i found on the distance spreadsheet a failur, from [Achernar] - Conway had 39.335 as coordinate and Mesartim 47.824 but the planet Conway is redirected on sarna.net to Mesartim iam a little bit confused about this is this the same planet or change his name or or.--Doneve 11:20, 9 March 2012 (PST)

Hi Doneve, Conway and Mesartrim are two different systems in Chesterton Commonality of Capellan Confederation, as found in the 2822 map in HB:HL. I think the error is on the redirecting.-Volt 14:32, 9 March 2012 (PST)

Thanks, i fix now the Achernar nearbay systems page.--Doneve 14:37, 9 March 2012 (PST)

Hy, i found on your spreadsheet that Homer (Clan planet) is also called Zara, but Zara is a Free Worlds Leage Planet, in which soure can i found the planet is renamed, then i can set up a redirct and a note section in the article, thanks.--Doneve 04:02, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

Hey Doneve, the article of Homer in The Clans: Warriors of Kerensky, says it was first called Zara, then renamed to Homer.-Volt 04:28, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

Great, thanks.--Doneve 04:35, 28 March 2012 (PDT)

Planet

Hy again, in wish source i found the planet Mohacs, thanks.--Doneve 15:28, 9 March 2012 (PST)

Hi Doneve, it's actually Mohács. Sorry about that, I mean to correct the spelling in my list. Do you think you guys can send me a list of systems with "non-standard" english characters in their names?-Volt 19:54, 9 March 2012 (PST)

Elgin

Hy Volt, i miss the planet Elgin on your spreadsheet.--Doneve 12:40, 29 March 2012 (PDT)