User talk:Doneve

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Happy New Year

Hi Doneve,
I hope 2016 is a happy, prosperous and healthy year for you and your family. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:49, 3 January 2016 (PST)

Electra

Hi Doneve, I've just updated the article for Electra and I think something odd may be going on with the system tables. Electra, Maia and Merope are all named systems in the Pleiades Cluster, but while both Merope and the Pleiades Cluster appear in the systems table, Maia doesn't. I've only got a small part of the systems spreadsheet with me at work (the systems that begin with D, basically) so I can't check easily here, but could you take a look at your copy when it's sorted for Electra, and see how far away it lists Electra and Maia as being? It may be there's a bug in the spreadsheet. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:41, 28 January 2016 (PST)

Hu, a bug, ok, Maia has a distance from 1,1114 in my spreed sheet, when i sort to Electra.--Doneve (talk) 04:19, 28 January 2016 (PST)

Hiya, I think there may be another bug - I've just been looking at Elix, and it has Ashburton recorded as being 28.1 LY away. Elix is in the Draconis Combine though, and Ashburton's in the Free Worlds League. Looking at the map in ER: 2750, I think it should be Ashio rather than Ashburton, but it may mean that a row has gone missing from your copy of the spreadsheet, or maybe some of the data's ended up sorted out of sequence? I went and checked the Ashio page, as Ashio doesn't appear in Elix's system table, and on the Ashio page, Elix is listed as 28.2 LY away, so it should be there. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:20, 8 February 2016 (PST)

Arg, i see it, i have two copys of the spreadsheet and i used the wrong, sorry my failur grml grml :(.--Doneve (talk) 03:35, 8 February 2016 (PST)

Ah, no harm done. You should be more worried that I've stared at so many planet articles I'm starting to remember where every planet is, and yet I still can't remember what my own phone number is! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 04:00, 8 February 2016 (PST)

Ha ha ha, I know what you mean, i looked with my wife the Game of Throns series, and after this marathon i was so confused about the story, you know what i mean :).--Doneve (talk) 16:05, 8 February 2016 (PST)

Record Sheets 5: Vehicles

Umm, Doneve - we already have that article (and cover image) here: BattleTech Record Sheets Volume Five: Vehicles... Though I have no idea why there wasn't a redirect in place. Frabby (talk) 05:18, 31 January 2016 (PST)

Ups, please delete my new page.--Doneve (talk) 05:30, 31 January 2016 (PST)

Epsilon

Doneve - Can you upload the Epsilon Regiment insignia from Field Manual: Mercenaries, Revised ? Thanks! ClanWolverine101 (talk) 14:57, 11 March 2016 (PST)

Yep, i do this. Sorry for not answerd email, i do this next day.--Doneve (talk) 16:30, 11 March 2016 (PST)

Get well soon

Doneve - Sorry to hear you're going to the hospital. Get well soon! ClanWolverine101 (talk) 11:36, 17 March 2016 (PDT)

Planets Spreadsheet

Hi Doneve,
Do you want a copy of the spreadsheet I put together to make producing the nearest system tables a bit easier? It's not particularly elegant, but it saves a certain amount of time typing. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:26, 19 April 2016 (PDT)

Hi, i want absolutly ;) a copy, then i can go on to update the nearby systems table, thanks.--Doneve (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2016 (PDT)

I'm just home from a boardgames evening (unfortunately, the Thunderbirds crashed and burned, and the Hood probably went on to achieve world domination) and I've uploaded a copy of the spreadsheet here: http://www67.zippyshare.com/v/Ae5DOjBp/file.html - it's got the details for El Giza in it at the moment, as that's the last planet I worked on. If you use Volt's spreadsheet to identify the nearest neighbours, then copy and paste the nearby systems within 60 LY and the distances into the two populated columns on the left, the column on the far right then updates to the code for the bulk of the systems table. You still need to put the header and closing tag on it though, and it won't pick up things like redirects because it works off straight text. You also need to manually add ".0" to those jump distances that are an exact number of light years, as Excel wouldn't display a decimal of zero in a concatenated field for some reason. It saves me quite a bit of time when I'm updating articles - hope it helps. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 13:32, 19 April 2016 (PDT)

Thanks man, i look in it, if i have questions i set up a talk.--Doneve (talk) 13:36, 19 April 2016 (PDT)

Founder's Superior Editor of the Year Award 2014

Doneve, I'm constantly amazed at how much you help with both big and small changes to this wiki. Thank you for being such a great member of this community! Nicjansma (talk) 06:28, 25 May 2016 (PDT)

Hello to you to

Hey, I just saw the message on my talk page, and frankly I'm not so sure about data mining, but if you want some help adjusting those planet tables, I'd be more than happy to help! -BobTheZombie (talk) 13:49, 5 June 2016 (PDT)

Overview

Hi, I noticed you deleted the overview section on some of the units I've been working on. There are a lot of units with that section on Sarna and to be honest I think it looks so much better than having text sitting about the contents box. Dark Jaguar (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2016 (PDT)

Yep, i hope i dont step on your teeths, i use this format [<onlyinclude>] [</onlyinclude>] from User:Neufeld he provide this on some pages as example take a look here Donegal Guards, sadly he leave us, this code is only used for military unit pages and it works very well to include content as a top overview and after this we add h2 or h3 headers for the other infos, make this sense to you, sorry for my bad english...if its not clear to you please set up a talk to my friend BrokenMnemonic he clarify this.--Doneve (talk) 17:17, 7 June 2016 (PDT)

It's how I do my articles now as well, I learned after Doneve edited my formatting on my first couple new unit pages, and I just stuck doing that way.--Deadfire (talk) 17:47, 7 June 2016 (PDT)

Thanks, I think the expression is step on my feet and you're not. I was just looking for clarification. It's just that there seems to be no "template" page for military units. I've not seen the only include code before, but have seen overview as a section many times. The headings of the Donegal Guards page you showed doesn't comply with all other military units pages for the H2 headings, so I'm not sure if this is a good example to follow? Dark Jaguar (talk) 23:39, 7 June 2016 (PDT)

Looking around, I can't see a clear ruling or example - the onlyinclude code looks to be something that's been added as a good idea, rather than via consensus. An example of a page that uses it can be seen here: Federated Peacekeeping Forces. It's not perfect. The style in which individual pages are written, with the first mention of the article name in the text being placed in bold means that pages that incorporate the onlyinclude text end up with lots of bold in them, as that first mention is invariably inside the onlyinclude text. The principle of the onlyinclude text is sound - it allows brigade pages to pull in summary information from individual unit articles, updating automatically when the individual pages are updated, avoiding the problem of either things getting missed in higher-level pages when lower-level pages are updated, but it makes the format of higher-level pages inconsistent with the Manual of Style requirements for page formatting, as you end up with a lot of bold text, repeated links, and so on.

Without a clear ruling, I think we're probably best off having an editor's debate on whether to adopt or abandon the onlyinclude code, and in what format. A couple of the questions I think would need to be discussed are:

If we adopt the onlyinclude code as standard, should it be used in pages other than just military units? I know that Frabby is a fan of having a line of overview text at the top of every page (hence the summary sentence in all of the planets articles) but the number of instances of pages that pull through that onlyinclude text is currently pretty limited - the various major military organization pages are the only clear example I can think of at the moment. Do we want to incorporate onlyinclude tags into planet articles, if there's currently been no need for summary pages on planets that are aggregating together such information? Are we likely to see pages in the future that do look to pull through this information - summaries of corporations/businesses, planet summaries, etc?

Given the disruption to the consistency of the formatting, should the onlyinclude text be exempt from the standard formatting requirements such as linking the first instance of a linkable text, bolding the first mention of the article name, and so forth? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:26, 16 June 2016 (PDT)

Midway Shipyards

Hi Doneve I had a look, I don't have Objectives: Draconis Combine, but I changed a bit of the English so it reads more clearly. I don't think their will be any problems with plagiarism. Dark Jaguar (talk) 14:30, 14 June 2016 (PDT)

Thanks a lot i want to add mor fluff stuff, and need a double checker is this ok to involve you on my pet project.--Doneve (talk) 14:33, 14 June 2016 (PDT)

Yes, not a problem. I'm happy to help. Dark Jaguar (talk) 14:45, 14 June 2016 (PDT)

Wolf Garrison Clusters

Hey Doneve, I was looking though the editing of the Clan Wolf Touman‎‎ page where you did some 3145 updates. However do we not follow the same clan unit naming structure as others when we make pages for Wolf Garrison Clusters? My example would be that shouldn't 5th Wolf Garrison (Clan Wolf) ‎be simply 5th Garrison (Clan Wolf)? --Deadfire (talk) 04:16, 26 June 2016 (PDT)

Hi, i dont updated the Clan Wolf Touman page, Dark Jaguar do this, i started always by adding missing units i found in the Wolf Empire Deployment tables in Field Manual: 3145 and i want to switch to Field Manual: Updates and Objective Raids, i checked 5th Garrison (Clan Wolf) and the correct name is 5th Wolf Garrison, cheers.--Doneve (talk) 04:23, 26 June 2016 (PDT)

Sorry I meant more the pages you created, for example you made the 18th Wolf Garrison (Clan Wolf) page but should it not be 18th Garrison (Clan Wolf) to be inline with other clan unit pages? i.e 5th Garrison (Clan Nova Cat), and 5th Garrison (Clan Smoke Jaguar)--Deadfire (talk) 04:30, 26 June 2016 (PDT)

I use the correct speeling from FM:3145, its listed as 18th Wolf Garrison Cluster, but we dont add cluster in the page name! If iam wrong or not? If its not clear set please up a talk to Dark Jaguar.--Doneve (talk) 04:36, 26 June 2016 (PDT)

Having the additional "Wolf" in the page title just seems odd when you compare it to other clans unit pages, however I have set up a talk with him to see if we can get to the bottom of this. I'll let you know of our findings.--Deadfire (talk) 04:54, 26 June 2016 (PDT)

Okidoki, thanks.--Doneve (talk) 04:56, 26 June 2016 (PDT)

Touring the Stars

Hi Doneve,
I've been pondering something lately that I thought I'd get your opinion on. The planets articles have a priority order when it comes to images for the planet infobox - if there's a flag, the flag goes in the image box, unless there's a picture of the world (like those in the Dark Age Republic Worlds (3130) sourcebook), in which case the picture of the world takes priority. How would you feel about us using the cover images from the Touring the Stars - cropped to show just the planet, without the titling, logos and so on? I'm not sure if it's possible to remove the name of the planet from the cover images, so there's a secondary question about whether to use them with the text on or not - but it struck me that with the TtS books giving us an actual picture of the planet - or most of the planet - we should maybe be using them. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:49, 30 June 2016 (PDT)

Absolutly, i use the Tts cover images on one or two planet articles shortly in the past and they work very well.--Doneve (talk) 01:52, 30 June 2016 (PDT)

Heiligendreuz

Hi Doneve,
I hope you're well? I've started trying to lose a lot of weight (over 100kgs) so I may be more active on here for a while as I distract myself from feeling hungry all the time
I'm trying to update the article for Heiligendreuz, and one of the things I was looking at is trying to work out when it was conquered during REVIVAL. It looks like it was a Wolf world, but I don't have the Clan Wolf sourcebook here - could you possibly have a look in your copy and see if there's any mention of when it was captured, and how?
I originally through it might've been captured by someone else in the initial invasion and then captured by the Wolves later on, so I did some hunting through maps, and it looks as if this map: File:CJF&CSV OZ 3052.jpg has ended up in the wrong area - it's labelled up as the Clan Jade Falcon and Clan Steel Viper OZ as at 3052, but it's actually the Clan Wolf OZ. If you're not busy, could you possibly upload the CSV/CJF 3052 map from ER:3052? BrokenMnemonic (talk) 01:57, 8 July 2016 (PDT)

Hi BM, yep i take a look in the Clan Wolf sourcebook, and yep i uploade the maps, give me a little bit time, iam on work .--Doneve (talk) 02:02, 8 July 2016 (PDT)