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| − | ==Heavy Metal== | + | *''[[User talk:BobTheZombie/2013 Archive|2013 Archive]]'' |
| | + | *''[[User talk:BobTheZombie/2014 Archive|2014 Archive]]'' |
| | + | *''[[User talk:BobTheZombie/2015 Archive|2015 Archive]]'' |
| | + | *''[[User talk:BobTheZombie/2016-2017 Archive|2016-2017 Archive]]'' |
| | + | {{_TOC_}} |
| | + | ==Proofreading== |
| | + | ''Feel free to add any pages you want proofread or cleaned up to the bottom of this list and I will go through and clean them up.'' |
| | + | *[[1st Shin Legion]] |
| | + | *[[Tikonov Guards]] |
| | + | *[[2nd Tikonov Guards]] |
| | + | *[[1st Tikonov Guards]] |
| | + | *[[3rd Tikonov Guards]] |
| | + | *[[Spidermech]] |
| | + | *[[Lucien Davion (23rd c.)|Lucien Davion]] |
| | + | *[[Huntress (BattleMech)]] |
| | + | *[[History]] |
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| − | Metallica and MechWarrior; two of my favorite things. Also, I hate it when people call "Modern Warfare 3" MW3. That is MechWarrior 3, stupids. Ah, the unenlightened...
| + | {{Welcome|BobTheZombie|}} |
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| − | ==For Hire== | + | == Image Categories == |
| − | If there is a page that you know of that needs some grammatical attention, please tell me, and I will do my best to respond and help ASAP.
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| − | : That would be pretty much any article I go near :-p. On a serious note welcome to the wiki man. Nice to see another metalhead. Also as a little tip when your editing on a a talk page be sure to use the signiture button on the tool bar to sign your comments. --[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 19:14, 19 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::It's mine, so I thought it was a given :P [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 23:16, 23 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Hy==
| + | Hi BobTheZombie, |
| − | Hey, great start on sarna and i appriciate your edits on [[Emma Centrella]], now i have a feeling to give you your first [[File:SubAdd.jpg|Substantial Addition Award, 1st ribbon]] award, keep up your good work, when its ok i install the awards board on your user page.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 15:19, 19 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :I'm only about halfway done with the page, so I'll try to finish it later today. Thanks for the recognition, too! [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 16:44, 19 June 2013 (PDT)
| + | Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Uncategorized files] not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 10:40, 10 March 2021 (EST) |
| − | ::No problem, if you have some questions, set up a talk to me.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 16:46, 19 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::I'm [currently] working on other horrendously worded pages, so give me a little while to get the [[Emma Centrella]] page done. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 23:11, 19 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Operation MAILED FIST== | + | == Dates in title articles == |
| − | Can you please stop reverting MAILED FIST to lower case - NATO military options have the name capitalised (i.e. Operation DESERT FOX) and the writers/line developers have indicated that this is the format they intend to use for BattleTech, which is why the more recent publications have shifted to full capitals. Ta. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 11:31, 24 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Should [[Operation Mailed Fist]] be edited within the [[Reunification War]] page to the capital letter form of MAILED FIST in order to form to standard military ops and then have all of the pages re-edited to link to the new capital form of the page? [[User:DerangedShadow|DerangedShadow]] ([[User talk:DerangedShadow|talk]]) 12:08, 24 June 2013 (PDT)
| + | Hey Bob, |
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| − | ::Oh, sorry, I thought I was doing something right, because there was another page with things in caps, and they wanted it changed; I noticed the trend and tried to help. Good thing I didn't get that far... should I revert those that I changed back then? [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 14:28, 24 June 2013 (PDT)
| + | I saw you adding wikilinks into the dates in title articles. |
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| − | ::Then there is also an issue with "Taskforce MAILED FIST"; I've seen it both ways on different pages. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 14:44, 24 June 2013 (PDT)
| + | the way the wikilinks have been done has actually been done on purpose. It just appears a little messed up in articles where we do not have full lines of succession. |
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| − | :::All-caps spelling for operations has only crept up relatively recently; older BattleTech books didn't do this. While there is obviously a new standard here that we should adhere to, whenever an older canonical source spelled an operation out with only the starting letter capitalized then that, too, is a correct spelling. Since Sarna.net BTW is case sensitive, I'd say the article name about a given operation should spell it in all caps but a redirect should be installed from "normal" spelling for older material where the op was spelled normally. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 02:12, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
| + | Ideally a chart would look like this, with no date being "double-linked". |
| | + | * Founder [[3030]] - [[3040]] |
| | + | * 2nd Leader 3040 - [[3050]] |
| | + | * 3rd Leader 3050 - [[3060]] |
| | + | * 4th Leader 3060 - [[3070]] |
| | + | * 5th Leader 3070 - [[3080]] |
| | + | * Last Leader 3080 - [[3090]] |
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| − | ::::Well, I don't know how to add redirects, sooo... could someone do it themselves or show me how to? [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 09:00, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
| + | Hope this makes sense.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 16:02, 21 February 2022 (EST) |
| − | :::::I set up a redirect for [[Operation Mailed Fist]].--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 09:02, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::The [[Task Force MAILED FIST]] version still doesn't link to anything. Should it have its own page? [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 09:06, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::Yep you are right.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 09:15, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::::A redirect page gets the content <nowiki>#REDIRECT[[target page name]]</nowiki>, which results in a call to that page being moved to the other page indicated. You can even sort a redirect page into categories separately from the main page, if you think you need to do that. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 09:45, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::Oops, I meant [[Operation MAILED FIST]] right up there about it having it's own page, not ''Taskforce'' Mailed Fist. Sorry, it's hard to think when you are hungry. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 09:56, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::::::Task Force MAILED FIST and Operation MAILED FIST don't have entries yet because I haven't written them yet, but they're on my list of things to do in the immediate future, when I've finished updating/creating the regiment and corps level articles. Although I should get the minor character articles done too... [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 12:58, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::::::::::If I may - I'm personally against the ALL CAPS naming on Operations, simply because its obnoxious. I realize the recent books have been using it, but those are in-universe reports, not wiki articles. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 23:03, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::::::::To my eyes, the all caps format is actually easier and cleaner to read - but then I've been dealing with military operations in real life for almost 20 years now, so I'm used to seeing it. We follow BTech convention in other areas, such as italicizing certain equipment names, and this is much the same for me. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 09:36, 29 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Planet Infobox==
| + | :Ah, that does, I was sprinting through, so thanks for catching me. I thought it was a more kosher to have redundant links in lists than in the article, but I'll watch a little closer when I'm messing with that {{emoticon|:)}} -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 16:25, 21 February 2022 (EST) |
| − | I notice you added some empty infoboxes to [[Deshler]] and [[Harpster]], the second is you use the false template, please take a look on [[Luthien]] as example, we use a planet and star styem infobox, oh and i delete the infoboxe's on both pages, if you have canon sources bring this up that where cool, but when the infobox is empty i do what i do, fell free to talk.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 20:48, 30 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | *Okay, I noticed two different types and tried the larger of the two (the kind on [[Luthien]]) after the first one, but it had weird text above the picture (something about "255 px"), so I reverted them back. Oh, and you removed the pictures along with the boxes... I left them empty in the hope that someone who had the sources would fill it in when they noticed. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 21:41, 30 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | **Although the system articles and improving their format are important to me, I never got into this particular project too deeply, and I am sadly barely familiar with the planet overhaul procedurs. But I seem to recall that we agreed that systems about which almost nothing is known beyond the name of the inhabited planet (or ''a'' name, without specifying whether it refers to the sun, the planet, the entire system, or all of it) should not get the full infobox treatment, because we lack information to put into those infoboxes. If this is wrong, any project members please correct me. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:35, 1 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==SPAMBOT==
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| − | Ahh! There is one at [[User:Zhang22]]! Please help Admins!!! [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 22:59, 30 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | Thanks to [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] for taking care of that quickly. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 23:28, 30 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Yeah. Taken care of with extreme prejudice. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:18, 1 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Year Pages==
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| − | Hi Bob,
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| − | I'm afraid you've just done what most of us have done at one time or another... according to [[Policy:Year Pages]] each line entry on a Year page like 3085 should only have one link in it. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 07:46, 1 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Sorry, I was unaware of that; should I revert all of them back then? [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 13:07, 1 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::Yes please. Believe it or not, about the third comment I got on my talk page was Doneve telling me the exact same thing {{Emoticon| ;) }} [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 13:08, 1 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::Ha, thanks for the heads up. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 13:17, 1 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Hy, one question, why you create empty year pages, the better way is when we have content for the year pages. I have not the strengh at time to searce for some dates, iam fucked up about the hospital and cannot contribute in the next days, only minor edits.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 21:13, 21 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::Okay, I'll go through them get info on them; I'm sorry. I won't let you down. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 06:15, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Update==
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| − | Happy (American) Independace Day everyone! I won't be able to edit for the rest of the week, but I promise that I will be back soon, so don't get worried that I've left. Too many people do a few edits, then leave; I'm in it for the long haul. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 09:02, 4 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Agematsu==
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| − | Hi Bob,
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| − | I reverted your edit to the description of Agematsu, because the referenced source, ''Objectives: Draconis Combine'' literally describes Agematsu as "an inhospitable rock in space". While I'm all in favour of rewording text to avoid issues around plagiarism, I think that if you're going to make a judgement call on the tone or tenor of the comment, you need to check the referenced source if there is one to make sure that what you're finding as an issue isn't an issue within the source text itself. If it is, then I think you're in danger of stepping past reporting on canon information and into the realm of making judgements on that canon. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 00:20, 8 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Okay, that's fine; I've found more than a few instances where the wording ''looks'' more like either directly plagiarized or biased stuff, so I'll try to watch for that next time. Thanks for the heads up. Oh, and sorry for calling it immature; I couldn't think of the right word to describe it. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 07:04, 8 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Planet and System Infoboxes==
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| − | Hi Bob,
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| − | I think I've caught all of the articles you've flagged up as needing planet and system infoboxes. Doneve and I are about the only people who go around updating the articles to use the new infoboxes, so if you find any more that need updating, it'd probably be easier to just drop me a note on my talk page - Doneve often does that when he spots missing planet articles so that I can put the basic detail on Sarna. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:56, 16 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Ok, will do. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 06:32, 16 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Contact==
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| − | Hy Bob, how i can contact you privatly ex. sent you a email.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 15:19, 16 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Email would work. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 23:23, 16 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :I'll be getting a new email address soon, so I'll tell you what it is when it gets set up. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 23:28, 16 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::Okidoky.--20:24, 17 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::In the meantime you can use the one in the "Email this user" link on the left. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 22:14, 17 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::Test mail is responted.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 22:21, 17 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::: Oh and i sent you a mail, please talk to me if you got it.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 19:30, 18 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::::: Very strange you have no source material, i read this on the Operation Bulldog page?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 16:18, 15 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | == Project Proposal ==
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| − | I'd like to propose the idea for a new project covering Wars/Battles/Engagements/Operations (conflicts in general), because I have noticed that these pages are suffering in comparison to other page types that receive lots of attention (such as Mechs and Factions). Just a thought. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 22:10, 24 June 2013 (PDT) | |
| − | : Bob - I'd be interested in your thoughts on this article: [[Battle of Twycross]]. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 22:43, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::After just glancing through it, it looks good, but may be a little long. Pages like [[Operation Guerrero Unit Deployment Tables]] (that specific one I worked on) are what I'm talking about: they are generally lacking and are inconsistent in format. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 23:22, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::I'll try looking at the [[Battle of Twycross]] page more in-depth soon. [[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 23:41, 28 June 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::I just finished editing it, and it covered the battle well, was (mostly) easy to understand, and only had minor grammatical errors. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 14:10, 11 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::::Understood. I'm trying to do a better job proof-reading my own work.
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| − | :::::My concern over Operation Guerrero is that there's still a LOT of information we simply do not have. Literally dozens of worlds either returned to Liao or fell into anarchy. We only have details for a few of them. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 10:45, 25 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::Yeah, it probably just isn't there for a lot of them; the issue I had with the pages were that they were largely inconsistent and littered with grammatical errors. As I've said before, I hate inconsistencies. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 13:30, 25 July 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Operation Bulldog==
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| − | Its an idea to remove the mess of the page. We move the wave's content to the planet pages but not in one to one format from the page, we can remove the Attackers, Defenders and Outcome headers and write sarna standard content, to some linked planets, we have ref. notes and can datamine this. And as second Operation Bulldog must become a comple History overview, some details can linked to the various planet pages, what do you think.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 17:04, 7 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Yes, I like it, and it makes sense. Perhaps we could list the planets and which wave they were in (so that people can find the info easily from the main operation page)? Also, you should put this idea on the [[Operation Bulldog]] page and see what other people think. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 18:29, 7 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::Ok, i copy the talk to the main page, but my opinion is we have no responses, ok BM or Mbear can involve, but the most off the users don't take a look on this.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 18:41, 7 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::Okay, lets go ahead with the Operation Bulldog Overhaul. If you lead the way I will tidy up after you and also do some heavy lifting if needed. Lets start with moving the info to the planet pages but leaving the Operation page itself alone: I will worry about reworking the info on-page. ''Your goal then would be to get the info on the planet pages in a cohesive manner''. Does that work for you? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 22:11, 7 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::This is the right way, we move at first the wave content to the planet pages. I stay at this time in Vancouver and visit my cousin, but no doubt, i have full acces to all and stard with overhauling in next days.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 22:46, 7 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::::No problem, enjoy your time with your cousin; you've definitely earned time off from the wiki. Besides, I probably won't have much time for a little while now either, so no worries. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 22:51, 7 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==BattleMech Master List==
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| − | Hy Bob, i see you edit the page please stop, this is a redundant page, we have the semantic [[BattleMech Timetable]] page, i talk to the user but i become no feedback, i wait 1-2 days then i add the deletion template, the page is not needed.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 11:40, 11 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Yessir, I noticed that and added the deletion template already... the user that was working on it was on it just now, so they should notice and chime in... -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 11:43, 11 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Prodigious Editing==
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| − | Hi Bob,<br>
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| − | I think you're doing a good job with the edits you've been making and contributing here - so I'd like to give you an award. I specifically chose one you didn't already have, so that you can add an extra ribbons bar to that awards board of yours. Keep up the good work!<br>
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| − | [[File:RAA.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award, 1st ribbon]]<br>
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| − | [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 14:34, 27 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :Thanks man, I've been extremely busy lately and haven't had many chances to work on Sarna (except on weekends), so, in the words of Boxer from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm Animal Farm]: "I will work harder!" -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 04:49, 28 August 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Inaccurate Links==
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| − | Bob,<br>
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| − | Can you be careful about some of the extra links you're adding to articles, please - as examples from the ''[[Jaguar]]'' entry, there's a difference between an [[ER Medium Laser]] and a [[Medium Laser]] - you'd turned the "Medium Laser" portion of an ER Medium Laser entry into a link, so readers would get steered to the same article. You also duplicated the SRM 2 and ATM 6 links that were already in the infobox, which are the armaments on the main variant.<br>
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| − | I'm also very twitchy about turning decades - 3120s - into a link, because the link [[3120]]s doesn't take you to a description of events or actions across that decade, just to the year page for 3120, which seems like a confusing thing to do for readers who don't know why they're being linked there. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 13:58, 1 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :First, sorry about the bad Medium Laser link; that was a mistake from rushing. Second, I was yelled at for removing duplicate links that are in both the infobox and the text; do you know what the official policy on that is? Third, I'm sorry about the year link, I wish we had some sort of page for that; there are ones for the centuries, correct? Oh, wait that just redirects to the Timeline... -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 14:09, 1 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ==Images==
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| − | Hy Bob, when you add weapon images please use [[TechManual]] and [[Tactical Operations]] as source, some better quality as the MW4 images.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 09:33, 16 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :This was just meant to give a face to these picture-less weapons, even if just temporarily, because they looked sad without pictures. If you want, you or someone can change them at will, I was just trying to fill in the gaps. Also, if I really want, I could edit the existing pictures and make them purdy... which I might do now that I think about it. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 09:49, 16 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | == Random Act of Appreciation ==
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| − | [tip of the hat] Thank you, kind sir, for following up behind me on [[Ever-Free]] and tagging it with the appropriate project. I tend to fail in keeping the newer articles so-tagged. Additionally, you also created helpful re-directs for centuries, one of which has direct bearing on this article. For this I grant you your second Random Act of Appreciation award:
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| − | : [[File:RAA.jpg|Random Act of Appreciation Award]]
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| − | I'll update your awards board. Again, thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:06, 21 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::Yes, seeing that redlink spurred me to take action and I'm going down the list to check that all lowercase "century" pages get redirects. I've noticed that of late I'm doing a lot things besides proofreading (which was my original aim here), but I am glad to help out any way I can and learn along the way. Many thanks for the award, comrade! -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 09:13, 21 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | == 2107 ==
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| − | Evening, BTZ. I reverted your edit to [[2107]]. The reason is because Year pages operate a bit differently than regular article pages. Each entry is seen as independent of any other entry on the same Year page. Per [[Policy:Year Pages]], ''each'' entry ''must'' directly link to an article that supports the statement being made for that entry. Normally, redundant wikilinks are excised (from regular articles), but in the case of the [[Deimos Project]], two different entries have been included on the same Year page, both needing article support. If you have any questions regarding this, please let me know. Thank you. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 16:37, 21 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :My logic behind changing it ''was'' because of the redundancy; wouldn't it would be favorable to direct people to something like [[Sol]] that they might not have heard of, instead of just having them both be to the same page? I wasn't completely sure about the policy, but was familiar with it; I still think that we should mix it up rather than limiting it to just one link. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 18:15, 21 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::I understand, but -as per the policy- a number of editors hashed it over a period of time to come up with a 'mission statement' for Year pages. You can read the whole thing there, but, in essence, the year pages are meant to be direct links to the subject of the entry. Links that lead elsewhere (on divergent paths) have resulted in pages that ceased to be consistently useful. In other words, they became mini articles unto themselves and ceased being useful points that lead to elaborations (i.e., the linked articles) on that subject.
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| − | ::As my role of Year Warden (not a real term), I approach it as someone who wants to know more about the subject of the entry. If the linked article does not mention it, then it serves no purpose.
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| − | ::However...as I crafted this response to you, I see [[JumpShip]] ''does'' mention the Deimos Project and it includes the exact date of the entry (September 3), so it meets that test. I'll revert my rollback. Thank you for engaging in this discussion. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:06, 21 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | Afternoon, BTZ. Saw you were working on Year pages at the same time I was (though different centuries). In regards to the Year pages (specifically [[2653]]), any stated facts must also be supported by the linked article. For example, the Kanga's entry indicates Mitchell Vehicles began producing it that year and that ''is'' in the linked [[Kanga]] article, but the four following entries (regarding the ''Kiso'', ''Lumberjack'', Rhino and ''Spider'') all introduce facts not supported by their respective articles. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:54, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :I put those on there because as I data mine for info on these new years I created, the [[Manufacturing Timeline]] page comes up often and lists introduction years for units and variants that are not listed in the article. I thought that I could trust it, so I went ahead and used it. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 13:03, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::I'm not involved in that project, but using metadata -while generally fine- may not meet the stringent citation requirements for the Year pages. I'd ''almost'' suggest linking to the Manufacturing Timeline, since that page would support the entry, but that wouldn't meet the spirit of the [[Policy:Year Pages|Year policy]], where readers go to the linked article to get more information on the subject of the Year entry.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:23, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::So what ''should'' I do? Continue with using the Manufacturing Timeline info or remove those and only use in-article info? -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 13:26, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::BobTheZombie...apologies...my response is taking longer than I thought. You uncovered a can of worms in inaccuracies. I wanted to do one as an example, but am finding several issues on each of the four. I'll replace this post when I fix these. Once again, it's a good thing you stuck by this issue...--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:21, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::::Take your time; I'll check back in later tonight. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 14:44, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::::::My advice, since populating the Year pages is a ''good'' thing, is to add those dates to the articles in their respective locations (i.e., where the variants are listed). Ideally, you'd have the sources to cite as well, but those are 'nice to haves' and are encouraged, but are not required.
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| − | ::::::We have a wrinkle; I was going to do the research on one of those four variants and make the change as an example but discovered a conflict with the year 2653, per the entries you made:
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| − | ::::::* The [[Kiso]] variant is shown to have been revealed in [[2705]], not 2653. Fortunately, the editors of that pages cited it. Ugh...but incompletely cited. The year isn't mentioned in ''TRO:3075'', but on the MUL site, so making the addition to the article. So the actual date for the Manufacturing Timeline for ''this'' variant is 2703 (unless a more superior source overrides the MUL).
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| − | ::::::* The primary subject of the [[Lumberjack]] is the LM4/C. The article is in error, as it lists the Introduced date as [[2355]], but that was for the original LM1/A. The MUL site indicates the LM4/C was introduced in [[2489]], which should be what the manufacturing timeline should show for this variant.
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| − | ::::::* The [[Rhino]] (MG variant) can ''now'' support the Year page. It ''was'' introduced in 2653, but the article did not support that.
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| − | ::::::* The [[Spider]] variant was off by ''two'' centuries...it was introduced in [[2853]].
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| − | : Okay...starting this over...I wish this had not gotten so complicated, but it did. The manufacturing timeline (I say this without checking that page myself) appears to have had major errors in it, especially where variants are concerned. That's why using secondary sources (in this case the timeline itself) can bite you in the butt.
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| − | : Ideally, I would have answered your question by saying add the missing data to the linked article, so that the Year page matches it. And I would have shown you an example of that by adding [[2653]] to the [[Kiso]] variant. But, with due diligence, that was clearly the wrong answer.
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| − | : So, in conclusion, I'd say only add dates to Year pages when you are relying on a primary (i.e. official) source, such as a book or the MUL. If you find a date somewhere here on BTW, check its reference (and confirm it's correct, if you can).
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| − | : I hope you can follow that maze I took you on. For the [[2653]] page, I'll make the changes. If you could do the due diligence on any other Year pages you correct today, I'd appreciate it. Otherwise, feel free to leave them there and when I get to them sequentially, I'll remove the incorrect data. As for the timeline page, feel free to correct it to match the original source material (or the source pages), or contact the primary team members and point this to this thread here.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:04, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::I'll try tackling this next weekend when I'll have more consecutive time to work. I'm pretty sure I understood all that, but if I have problems I'll be sure to bug you {{Emoticon| ;) }}. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 19:04, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::Not a problem. I have to admit, I was a bit concerned by what we uncovered. Hopefully we can all use the MUL to fix these errors.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:31, 22 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | Bob, why you uploade images we have uploaded in the past, you can copy the file name and added to the page you want, we dont need double uploaded pics.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 15:01, 23 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :The pictures didn't work on the page in their current format (.gif) but did work in a basic picture format (.png, jpeg, etc). That is why I changed it; if you look at [http://www.sarna.net/wiki/index.php?title=Clans&oldid=321834 the old version], they don't show up, and I fixed that. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:09, 23 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | ::Hm, you are right i testet it and the gif. format dont work, i talk to Nic about this problem.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 15:16, 23 September 2013 (PDT)
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| − | :::I don't understand why they don't work, because they seem to work just fine on their respective individual Clan Pages ([[Clan Burrock]] and [[Clan Snow Raven]])... perhaps it's the table they are in that messes with it. -[[User:BobTheZombie|BobTheZombie]] ([[User talk:BobTheZombie|talk]]) 15:21, 23 September 2013 (PDT) | |
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