User talk:BobTheZombie

Heavy Metal

Metallica and MechWarrior; two of my favorite things. Also, I hate it when people call "Modern Warfare 3" MW3. That is MechWarrior 3, stupids. Ah, the unenlightened...

For Hire

If there is a page that you know of that needs some grammatical attention, please tell me, and I will do my best to respond and help ASAP.

That would be pretty much any article I go near :-p. On a serious note welcome to the wiki man. Nice to see another metalhead. Also as a little tip when your editing on a a talk page be sure to use the signiture button on the tool bar to sign your comments. --Dmon (talk) 19:14, 19 June 2013 (PDT)

It's mine, so I thought it was a given :P BobTheZombie (talk) 23:16, 23 June 2013 (PDT)

Hy

Hey, great start on sarna and i appriciate your edits on Emma Centrella, now i have a feeling to give you your first award, keep up your good work, when its ok i install the awards board on your user page.--Doneve (talk) 15:19, 19 June 2013 (PDT)

I'm only about halfway done with the page, so I'll try to finish it later today. Thanks for the recognition, too! BobTheZombie (talk) 16:44, 19 June 2013 (PDT)

No problem, if you have some questions, set up a talk to me.--Doneve (talk) 16:46, 19 June 2013 (PDT)

I'm [currently] working on other horrendously worded pages, so give me a little while to get the Emma Centrella page done. BobTheZombie (talk) 23:11, 19 June 2013 (PDT)

Operation MAILED FIST

Can you please stop reverting MAILED FIST to lower case - NATO military options have the name capitalised (i.e. Operation DESERT FOX) and the writers/line developers have indicated that this is the format they intend to use for BattleTech, which is why the more recent publications have shifted to full capitals. Ta. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 11:31, 24 June 2013 (PDT)

Should Operation Mailed Fist be edited within the Reunification War page to the capital letter form of MAILED FIST in order to form to standard military ops and then have all of the pages re-edited to link to the new capital form of the page? DerangedShadow (talk) 12:08, 24 June 2013 (PDT)

Oh, sorry, I thought I was doing something right, because there was another page with things in caps, and they wanted it changed; I noticed the trend and tried to help. Good thing I didn't get that far... should I revert those that I changed back then? BobTheZombie (talk) 14:28, 24 June 2013 (PDT)

Then there is also an issue with "Taskforce MAILED FIST"; I've seen it both ways on different pages. BobTheZombie (talk) 14:44, 24 June 2013 (PDT)

All-caps spelling for operations has only crept up relatively recently; older BattleTech books didn't do this. While there is obviously a new standard here that we should adhere to, whenever an older canonical source spelled an operation out with only the starting letter capitalized then that, too, is a correct spelling. Since Sarna.net BTW is case sensitive, I'd say the article name about a given operation should spell it in all caps but a redirect should be installed from "normal" spelling for older material where the op was spelled normally. Frabby (talk) 02:12, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

Well, I don't know how to add redirects, sooo... could someone do it themselves or show me how to? BobTheZombie (talk) 09:00, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

I set up a redirect for Operation Mailed Fist.--Doneve (talk) 09:02, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

The Task Force MAILED FIST version still doesn't link to anything. Should it have its own page? BobTheZombie (talk) 09:06, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

Yep you are right.--Doneve (talk) 09:15, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

A redirect page gets the content #REDIRECT[[target page name]], which results in a call to that page being moved to the other page indicated. You can even sort a redirect page into categories separately from the main page, if you think you need to do that. Frabby (talk) 09:45, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

Oops, I meant Operation MAILED FIST right up there about it having it's own page, not Taskforce Mailed Fist. Sorry, it's hard to think when you are hungry. BobTheZombie (talk) 09:56, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

Task Force MAILED FIST and Operation MAILED FIST don't have entries yet because I haven't written them yet, but they're on my list of things to do in the immediate future, when I've finished updating/creating the regiment and corps level articles. Although I should get the minor character articles done too... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 12:58, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

If I may - I'm personally against the ALL CAPS naming on Operations, simply because its obnoxious. I realize the recent books have been using it, but those are in-universe reports, not wiki articles. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 23:03, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

To my eyes, the all caps format is actually easier and cleaner to read - but then I've been dealing with military operations in real life for almost 20 years now, so I'm used to seeing it. We follow BTech convention in other areas, such as italicizing certain equipment names, and this is much the same for me. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:36, 29 June 2013 (PDT)

Planet Infobox

I notice you added some empty infoboxes to Deshler and Harpster, the second is you use the false template, please take a look on Luthien as example, we use a planet and star styem infobox, oh and i delete the infoboxe's on both pages, if you have canon sources bring this up that where cool, but when the infobox is empty i do what i do, fell free to talk.--Doneve (talk) 20:48, 30 June 2013 (PDT)

• Okay, I noticed two different types and tried the larger of the two (the kind on Luthien) after the first one, but it had weird text above the picture (something about "255 px"), so I reverted them back. Oh, and you removed the pictures along with the boxes... I left them empty in the hope that someone who had the sources would fill it in when they noticed. BobTheZombie (talk) 21:41, 30 June 2013 (PDT)
  • Although the system articles and improving their format are important to me, I never got into this particular project too deeply, and I am sadly barely familiar with the planet overhaul procedurs. But I seem to recall that we agreed that systems about which almost nothing is known beyond the name of the inhabited planet (or a name, without specifying whether it refers to the sun, the planet, the entire system, or all of it) should not get the full infobox treatment, because we lack information to put into those infoboxes. If this is wrong, any project members please correct me. Frabby (talk) 01:35, 1 July 2013 (PDT)

SPAMBOT

Ahh! There is one at User:Zhang22! Please help Admins!!! BobTheZombie (talk) 22:59, 30 June 2013 (PDT)

Thanks to Frabby for taking care of that quickly. BobTheZombie (talk) 23:28, 30 June 2013 (PDT)

Yeah. Taken care of with extreme prejudice. :) Frabby (talk) 01:18, 1 July 2013 (PDT)

Year Pages

Hi Bob, I'm afraid you've just done what most of us have done at one time or another... according to Policy:Year Pages each line entry on a Year page like 3085 should only have one link in it. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 07:46, 1 July 2013 (PDT)

Sorry, I was unaware of that; should I revert all of them back then? BobTheZombie (talk) 13:07, 1 July 2013 (PDT)

Yes please. Believe it or not, about the third comment I got on my talk page was Doneve telling me the exact same thing BrokenMnemonic (talk) 13:08, 1 July 2013 (PDT)

Ha, thanks for the heads up. BobTheZombie (talk) 13:17, 1 July 2013 (PDT)

Update

Happy (American) Independace Day everyone! I won't be able to edit for the rest of the week, but I promise that I will be back soon, so don't get worried that I've left. Too many people do a few edits, then leave; I'm in it for the long haul. BobTheZombie (talk) 09:02, 4 July 2013 (PDT)

Agematsu

Hi Bob, I reverted your edit to the description of Agematsu, because the referenced source, Objectives: Draconis Combine literally describes Agematsu as "an inhospitable rock in space". While I'm all in favour of rewording text to avoid issues around plagiarism, I think that if you're going to make a judgement call on the tone or tenor of the comment, you need to check the referenced source if there is one to make sure that what you're finding as an issue isn't an issue within the source text itself. If it is, then I think you're in danger of stepping past reporting on canon information and into the realm of making judgements on that canon. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:20, 8 July 2013 (PDT)

Okay, that's fine; I've found more than a few instances where the wording looks more like either directly plagiarized or biased stuff, so I'll try to watch for that next time. Thanks for the heads up. Oh, and sorry for calling it immature; I couldn't think of the right word to describe it. -BobTheZombie (talk) 07:04, 8 July 2013 (PDT)

Planet and System Infoboxes

Hi Bob, I think I've caught all of the articles you've flagged up as needing planet and system infoboxes. Doneve and I are about the only people who go around updating the articles to use the new infoboxes, so if you find any more that need updating, it'd probably be easier to just drop me a note on my talk page - Doneve often does that when he spots missing planet articles so that I can put the basic detail on Sarna. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:56, 16 July 2013 (PDT)

Ok, will do. -BobTheZombie (talk) 06:32, 16 July 2013 (PDT)

Contact

Hy Bob, how i can contact you privatly ex. sent you a email.--Doneve (talk) 15:19, 16 July 2013 (PDT)

Email would work. -BobTheZombie (talk) 23:23, 16 July 2013 (PDT)

I'll be getting a new email address soon, so I'll tell you what it is when it gets set up. -BobTheZombie (talk) 23:28, 16 July 2013 (PDT)

Okidoky.--20:24, 17 July 2013 (PDT)

In the meantime you can use the one in the "Email this user" link on the left. -BobTheZombie (talk) 22:14, 17 July 2013 (PDT)

Test mail is responted.--Doneve (talk) 22:21, 17 July 2013 (PDT)

Oh and i sent you a mail, please talk to me if you got it.--Doneve (talk) 19:30, 18 July 2013 (PDT)

Very strange you have no source material, i read this on the Operation Bulldog page?--Doneve (talk) 16:18, 15 August 2013 (PDT)

Project Proposal

I'd like to propose the idea for a new project covering Wars/Battles/Engagements/Operations (conflicts in general), because I have noticed that these pages are suffering in comparison to other page types that receive lots of attention (such as Mechs and Factions). Just a thought. BobTheZombie (talk) 22:10, 24 June 2013 (PDT)

Bob - I'd be interested in your thoughts on this article: Battle of Twycross. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 22:43, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

After just glancing through it, it looks good, but may be a little long. Pages like Operation Guerrero Unit Deployment Tables‎ (that specific one I worked on) are what I'm talking about: they are generally lacking and are inconsistent in format. BobTheZombie (talk) 23:22, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

I'll try looking at the Battle of Twycross page more in-depth soon. BobTheZombie (talk) 23:41, 28 June 2013 (PDT)

I just finished editing it, and it covered the battle well, was (mostly) easy to understand, and only had minor grammatical errors. -BobTheZombie (talk) 14:10, 11 July 2013 (PDT)

Understood. I'm trying to do a better job proof-reading my own work.

My concern over Operation Guerrero is that there's still a LOT of information we simply do not have. Literally dozens of worlds either returned to Liao or fell into anarchy. We only have details for a few of them. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 10:45, 25 July 2013 (PDT)

Yeah, it probably just isn't there for a lot of them; the issue I had with the pages were that they were largely inconsistent and littered with grammatical errors. As I've said before, I hate inconsistencies. -BobTheZombie (talk) 13:30, 25 July 2013 (PDT)

Operation Bulldog

Its an idea to remove the mess of the page. We move the wave's content to the planet pages but not in one to one format from the page, we can remove the Attackers, Defenders and Outcome headers and write sarna standard content, to some linked planets, we have ref. notes and can datamine this. And as second Operation Bulldog must become a comple History overview, some details can linked to the various planet pages, what do you think.--Doneve (talk) 17:04, 7 August 2013 (PDT)

Yes, I like it, and it makes sense. Perhaps we could list the planets and which wave they were in (so that people can find the info easily from the main operation page)? Also, you should put this idea on the Operation Bulldog page and see what other people think. -BobTheZombie (talk) 18:29, 7 August 2013 (PDT)

Ok, i copy the talk to the main page, but my opinion is we have no responses, ok BM or Mbear can involve, but the most off the users don't take a look on this.--Doneve (talk) 18:41, 7 August 2013 (PDT)

Okay, lets go ahead with the Operation Bulldog Overhaul. If you lead the way I will tidy up after you and also do some heavy lifting if needed. Lets start with moving the info to the planet pages but leaving the Operation page itself alone: I will worry about reworking the info on-page. Your goal then would be to get the info on the planet pages in a cohesive manner. Does that work for you? -BobTheZombie (talk) 22:11, 7 August 2013 (PDT)

This is the right way, we move at first the wave content to the planet pages. I stay at this time in Vancouver and visit my cousin, but no doubt, i have full acces to all and stard with overhauling in next days.--Doneve (talk) 22:46, 7 August 2013 (PDT)

No problem, enjoy your time with your cousin; you've definitely earned time off from the wiki. Besides, I probably won't have much time for a little while now either, so no worries. -BobTheZombie (talk) 22:51, 7 August 2013 (PDT)

BattleMech Master List

Hy Bob, i see you edit the page please stop, this is a redundant page, we have the semantic BattleMech Timetable page, i talk to the user but i become no feedback, i wait 1-2 days then i add the deletion template, the page is not needed.--Doneve (talk) 11:40, 11 August 2013 (PDT)

Yessir, I noticed that and added the deletion template already... the user that was working on it was on it just now, so they should notice and chime in... -BobTheZombie (talk) 11:43, 11 August 2013 (PDT)

Prodigious Editing

Hi Bob,
I think you're doing a good job with the edits you've been making and contributing here - so I'd like to give you an award. I specifically chose one you didn't already have, so that you can add an extra ribbons bar to that awards board of yours. Keep up the good work!

BrokenMnemonic (talk) 14:34, 27 August 2013 (PDT)

Thanks man, I've been extremely busy lately and haven't had many chances to work on Sarna (except on weekends), so, in the words of Boxer from Animal Farm: "I will work harder!" -BobTheZombie (talk) 04:49, 28 August 2013 (PDT)

Inaccurate Links

Bob,
Can you be careful about some of the extra links you're adding to articles, please - as examples from the Jaguar entry, there's a difference between an ER Medium Laser and a Medium Laser - you'd turned the "Medium Laser" portion of an ER Medium Laser entry into a link, so readers would get steered to the same article. You also duplicated the SRM 2 and ATM 6 links that were already in the infobox, which are the armaments on the main variant.
I'm also very twitchy about turning decades - 3120s - into a link, because the link 3120s doesn't take you to a description of events or actions across that decade, just to the year page for 3120, which seems like a confusing thing to do for readers who don't know why they're being linked there. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 13:58, 1 September 2013 (PDT)

First, sorry about the bad Medium Laser link; that was a mistake from rushing. Second, I was yelled at for removing duplicate links that are in both the infobox and the text; do you know what the official policy on that is? Third, I'm sorry about the year link, I wish we had some sort of page for that; there are ones for the centuries, correct? Oh, wait that just redirects to the Timeline... -BobTheZombie (talk) 14:09, 1 September 2013 (PDT)

Images

Hy Bob, when you add weapon images please use TechManual and Tactical Operations as source, some better quality as the MW4 images.--Doneve (talk) 09:33, 16 September 2013 (PDT)

This was just meant to give a face to these picture-less weapons, even if just temporarily, because they looked sad without pictures. If you want, you or someone can change them at will, I was just trying to fill in the gaps. Also, if I really want, I could edit the existing pictures and make them purdy... which I might do now that I think about it. -BobTheZombie (talk) 09:49, 16 September 2013 (PDT)

Random Act of Appreciation

[tip of the hat] Thank you, kind sir, for following up behind me on Ever-Free and tagging it with the appropriate project. I tend to fail in keeping the newer articles so-tagged. Additionally, you also created helpful re-directs for centuries, one of which has direct bearing on this article. For this I grant you your second Random Act of Appreciation award:

I'll update your awards board. Again, thanks. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:06, 21 September 2013 (PDT)