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==LX Corps==
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Hi, i removed the image it is wrong, i uploade the correct.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 11:42, 26 January 2016 (PST)
  
==Question and Information==
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==Davion Assault Guards==
Hi Mbear, I have complete my projects: with the war of 3039, the ronin wars, fedcom civil war, antons revolt and the andurien session/canopus war. Fell free when you want to put this information in a unique article. Operation Revival and Jade Falcon incursion article will be modify also in the near future by me. And now my question: which program did you use to create the fantastic looking rank insignia or know you some other good ways to create the smoke jaguar galaxy insignia...[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 21:37, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
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Hey Mbear, noticed somebody edited your [[User:Mbear/Davion Assault Guards|Davion Assault Guards]] page, I am going to assume that the user thought it was the "main article" as it where. Since you have not touched the article since 2013 do you think we could possibly retire it to avoid confusion? Cheers --[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 13:01, 4 February 2016 (PST)
:I used PhotoShop to make the images. If you don't have lots of money to pay for it, you might try Paint.NET or GimpShop.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 12:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 
::I hate to be a canonicity jerk here, but please keep in mind that re-creating rank insignia or other imagery by oneself constitutes fan work, i.e. non-canon, and must be marked as such. Technically, only images taken from an official website (namely CBT.com) or photocopies/photographs of existing canonical material can be considered canonical for the purpose of BTW. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 14:02, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:::You're not being a jerk, you're advising us. There's a difference.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:19, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Article Tag Question==
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== Jade Falcon units ==
Hi, Mbear,
 
I've never contributed to BattleTech Wiki before but I was wondering about perhaps doing so. I've actually had about a dozen BattleTech articles published over the years in magazines like BattleTechnology and MechForce Quarterly. I am also the original creator for the non-jump capable WarShips called Monitors.
 
  
What I am interested in doing is submitting a wiki for a mercenary unit that I created and was featured in several of the articles published in Battletechnology and MechForce Quarterly. The unit is called TekTeam Technical Services and is essentially a unit of mercenary technicians that sell their services to the highest bidder, travels in a modified Mule class DropShip set up as a mobile repair base and is supported by a small security force.
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Mbear - yeah, i get the issue. The units in question fought the Kell Hounds, resulting in the death of Daniel Allard. Unfortunately, they weren't mentioned by name. Nevertheless, other sources clear state their presence. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] ([[User talk:ClanWolverine101|talk]]) 17:40, 2 June 2016 (PDT)
  
Would it be have to be published in the non-canon units section, or because it was published in the 'official' magazines for BattleTech at that time, would you consider the unit at least quasi-'canon'?
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== Victroy Ranger units==
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Hi, i see you removed the update needed tags, i dont want to add tags for [[Field Manual: 3145]] the pages need to update by this source, can you do this when you found time, cheers.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] ([[User talk:Doneve|talk]]) 07:11, 7 June 2016 (PDT)
  
I would probably need some assistance in figuring out how to use your templates for an article on TekTeam Technical Services as well. Thanks.--{{Unsigned|71.74.86.252|04:49, 5 January 2011}}
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== SLDF Units ==
  
:71.74.86.252, I've addressed your question on my [[User_talk:Revanche#Article_Tag_Question|talk page]].--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:46, 5 January 2011 (UTC)
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Hi, started to add some updates to the SLDF units, but I see it is one of your pet projects. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but if you need any help just let me know. [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 08:17, 13 June 2016 (PDT)
  
==Breaking News date little off==
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==St. Ives Sentinels==
Hi Mbear...17 January '''2100''' The moratorium for Operational Turning Points: Death to Mercenaries has expired. BTW Editors are now free to make edits using this source as a reference. Can you fix that? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:41, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
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Hello. The Armored Infantry and Mounted Fusiliers are the 1st and 2nd St. Ives Sentinels. You listed them as dead and created new pages for the 1st and 2nd. What do you want me to do about them? [[User:Henryjones000|Henryjones000]] ([[User talk:Henryjones000|talk]]) 12:44, 13 April 2017 (EDT)
:Fixed. Thanks!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 23:58, 18 January 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Style Box==
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== Spammers ==
Hy Mbear, is it usefull to add a style box, like the Game Rules in the Technology section, to the Military unit articles, it is a idea, any thought, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 19:52, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:At the moment I'd say no because AFAIK we haven't officially started adding the style box to the Game Rules articles. I'd prefer to finish one category (technology) completely and then start on the next thing.
 
:I also don't know where you'd put the styled box on the Military Unit pages.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 19:56, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 
::Take a look on this [[21st Division (Word of Blake)‎]], only a example.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:03, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:::Oh. Well. That looks OK to me, but we should probably discuss it before you just start doing it. I'll copy this page to the [[Policy_Talk:Canon#Game_Data_in_articles]] section to see what happens.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 20:10, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 
::::Ok, thats great, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:11, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Tnx + Infobox - problem==
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I saw your efforts to delete all the spambots earlier, just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work as an admin. It's really appreciated, you deserve this award. [[File:VC 2bol.jpg|Vandal Cop Award, 3rd ribbon]] [[User:Dark Jaguar|Dark Jaguar]] ([[User talk:Dark Jaguar|talk]]) 17:00, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
  
Tnx for your help and I have another request about the Infobix which I tried to create, but with no success. Can you help me? [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 20:25, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
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:In the same vein, thank you for standing in the trenches and fighting off the soulless spambots with me and BrokenMnemonic. Have another Vandal Cop award on me. (4th ribbon, right?) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:21, 13 July 2017 (EDT)
  
==Infantry Infobox==
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== Don't admin tired (or angry) ==
Hy again, can you take a look of my [[User/Doneve Infantry Infobox]], example, thank.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:What am I looking for?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:05, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 
::Is the content of the Infantry Infobox ok, or must i change some things, i dont can see the infobox in the [[Heavy Jump Infantry]] article, what is my failur, can you give some tips?--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:15, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:::The problem appears to be that you've got the part Editors will fill out, but you don't actually have any code MediaWiki understands in the infobox template. Setting up the human-readable part isn't enough: you need to tell MediaWiki what to insert when it sees the infobox entries. If you go to [[Template:InfoBoxBattleMech]] and hit the '''Edit''' link, you'll see what I mean. I've also added some stuff for you.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 16:24, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 
::::Ah, great, and i give you this award [[File:PS 2bol.jpg|Problem Solver Award, 3rd ribbon]], for your support, thanks a lot.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 16:31, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::Hy Mbear, please can you remove the Equipment row, she is not used, and we dont needed, we have the Primary Weapon row, Secondary Weapon row, please change it, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 16:14, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 
::::::Equipment row from InfantryInfobox template.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 20:11, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Infantry Platoon Creation Rules==
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I was going thru the motions of dealing with the spambot when I saw you had already done some deletions. I blocked, but wondered if you had merged it with anonymous; when I saw you hadn't I went to do so, but because I was thinking of ''you'', I copied your name into the merge command. Thank Nic you were in the protected group! As the protected group warning popped up, I was still in disblief: "No! Did I just delete Mbear?!" --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:04, 2 October 2017 (EDT)
Have started working on Formula Worksheet for [[Infantry Platoon Creation Rules]] Based on last published in [[[Combat Operations]]. Cribbed from BV worksheet and editing as i go.
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:'''sigh''' I knew it. Everyone IS out to get me. ;)--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 06:56, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
Follow-on would be creating the [[Infantry Platoon Creation Rules\Weapon Conversion Rules]] worksheet.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 16:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
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:: Nic is in your corner (for the moment), so you've got that going for you. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:55, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
  
==Note about Placeholder data in Work Sheet==
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==BattleCorp's Battletech style guide==
Suggestion:  try the Game Rules type div tag from MASC to get the cauthionary note to stand out.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 16:57, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 
  
<div style="background-color:#FFFFE0; border:1px solid #666; margin:1.5em 0 .5em 0; padding:0 .5em 0 1em; -moz-border-radius:.5em">
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Not sure if you wanted to update your link on your userpage to [[https://web.archive.org/web/20170628225012/http://www.battlecorps.com/BC2/static.php?page=15 this one]] as your old link doesn't go anywhere anymore.--[[User:Deadfire|Deadfire]] ([[User talk:Deadfire|talk]]) 16:46, 4 January 2018 (EST)
The 100 listed for Armor points and Internal Structure points, and the 14 listed for Heat Points, are placeholders. They don't contribute anything to the formula and should be replaced with the information from the TRO.</div>--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 19:20, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 
  
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==Mechwarrior 1==
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Hello. As of now, the site has a number of download links for all Mechwarrior games on various platforms and so on. I'd like to ask you guys to consider giving a link to the Sharp X68000 and PC-9801 versions of Mechwarrior 1. They're abandonware and it's quite hard to track the ROMs down nowadays. It could very well become impossible in the not so distant future which would be a shame as they've made a bigger mark on Battletech than any version of MW2, MW3 or MC could ever dream of. Plus, the PC-98 version of the game is practically the only one playable by today's standards which is quite an issue when it comes to people trying out MW1.
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As of now, there's functional links to download floppy images for the games:
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<br>X68000 floppies - http://78.213.180.135:5080/mame/index.php?name=btech/x68k_flop (as btech.zip in the upper right corner)
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<br>PC-9801 floppies - https://mega.nz/#F!F59WkSqQ!quGKSFIswBgv0rxAAaF8Pg!ctEDjaKL (Under は, find 【PC98】バトルテック.rar)
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[[User:Adridos|Adridos]] ([[User talk:Adridos|talk]]) 20:25, 14 February 2018 (EST)
  
==Experimental Equipment==
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:The right person to ask about this would be our site bureaucrat [[User:Nicjansma]]. Nobody else can add stuff to the download section (which has been in need of a workover for a decade now anyways). :) I've dropped a note in Nic's talk page to perhaps look into this. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:38, 15 February 2018 (EST)
Hey Mbear, I'm working to update all avaible equipment with the technical availibility and think to my self, that few expeerimental tech is on sarna.net. My offer to you: I will create all necessary pages and put the information in it. Can you watch my work please. My english ins't always well written, because I'm a native german speaker. What do you think... [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 19:07, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 
:There's already a category for some experimental items: [[:Category:Experimental Technology]]. And yes, I can spell- and grammar-check your work.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 23:33, 25 January 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Minor News==
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::Wow, awesome find.  Added to: http://www.sarna.net/files/programs/games/battletech_ubawareta_seihai/ [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] ([[User talk:Nicjansma|talk]]) 20:33, 26 March 2018 (EDT)
Hy Mbear, the moratorium for [[A Time of War]] has expired, can you updated the minor news, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:46, 27 January 2011 (UTC)
 
  
== Thanks for 2010 ==
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==WIP tag==
Mbear, you've had another stellar year of contributions to BTW.  Your fellow members nominated you for both Outstanding Member of the Year and a Superior Editor! All of us appreciate your contributions! I've awarded you another Founders Award for your excellence [[User:Nicjansma|Nicjansma]] 05:58, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
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Morning, Mbear. I just stumbled across your question regarding pages under construction ("Is there a way to list all pages with the underconstruction tag on them?" - on your profile page). I just happened to do [[:Category:WIP|exactly that]] a few days back. This can also be found on the [[BattleTechWiki:ToDo|To Do List]] (on the Sidebar).--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:51, 25 May 2018 (EDT)
  
[[File:F HonMen.jpg|Founder's Honorable Mention Award]]
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== Advanced Technology Year ==
  
== Torso Cockpit ==
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It may seem like a stupid question but what is an "Advanced Technology Year"? Is it different in universe from year available?--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 08:37, 21 February 2019 (EST)
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:The idea is to track what year technologies move from Experimental Rules to Advanced Rules to Tournament Legal rules. Obviously I need to re-write that for clarity. --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 08:39, 21 February 2019 (EST)
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::Ah ok... To me the prototype/year introduced seemed to essentially have it covered but I had not thught about all the rules stuff as I tend to think in universe terms.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 12:13, 21 February 2019 (EST)
  
MBear, I noticed you put in the official Torso Cockpit rules from the Tactical Handbook. I was wondering if you felt there was any value in listing the original rules for the Torso cockpit from Unbound as well. It's a lighter and much more dangerous design overall. But considering the Tactical Handbook rules technically displace the older rules do you think the original rules shouldn't be acknowledged? {{Unsigned|ManDrake}}
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== Star League commands order ==
:I have no strong feelings about it either way. You might want to check out [[Cockpit Command Console]] to see how it was handled. (The CCC also had an older version that was superseded in the Tactical Handbook.)
 
:P.S. It's considered polite to sign postings to another user's talk page. All you have to do is put four tildes (~) at the end of your post.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 20:20, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 
:: I'll check it out. Sorry for the breech of protocol, I was unaware of how to produce that message, won't happen again. [[User:ManDrake|ManDrake]] 23:08, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Image Question==
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Hi Mbear,
Hy Mbear, i have a question about new uploaded versions of images, can any of the admins delete the old versions of the new uploaded versions, i have not he permission to do this, Neuling uploaded a lot of it, and i and...and .Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:33, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
 
  
== When you have time.... ==
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I've seen that the Star League commands order is different from the rest. Units assigned in sub-level commands do appear also in the root (something that does not happen in other Military Commands Categories. Am I right if I consider this Category incorrectly done?
  
Mbear - Please give [[Talk:Isle of Skye]] when you have some time... as well as its accompanying article. It was an absolute beast to write. But more relevantly, there are some things I'd like to do with respect to redirects that I wanted your advice on. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 16:47, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
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I also think there are categories missing that should help reorganize this a bit better? The level of sub commands can be huge, and I do not even know which is the best way to order them.
  
==Dragau==
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I tried to make this a general query, but have no idea on how to do it.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 10:31, 18 July 2019 (EDT)
Hy Mbear, please take a look on the [[Dragau II]] article, i think he merged with your created [[Dragau]] page. Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 23:05, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
 
::I disagree.  The Dragau II is esbalished new vehicle, and the Dragau is short lived forerunner. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Casper II Ground Elements==
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:I wouldn't say "incorrectly done" exactly, but I see your point. I '''think''' what happened was the original SLDF commands category was created before FM:SLDF and other Star League era sourcebooks were published. Going by the limited information available in ''[[The Star League]]'', this original category was probably enough.
Hi Mbear, the Rattler and the Wyrm SDS Mobile Fortresses have nothing in their fluff that state they elements of Casper II. Their components of the SDS system, why are they being listed as ground elements of the CASPER II? -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 
:They were listed as part of the Caspar II systems in JHS: Terra.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 22:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
 
::is the entire SDS system being called Caspar II or is it just the Capital Class Drones?  The Caspars were part of the SDS System,  not vice versa.--[[User:PerkinsC|Cameron]] 13:18, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 
:::It's not just the capital class drones, as the Hive AeroSpace fighter family are all drones. Caspar II was the name given to the drone system used on the Dragau, Tiamat, etc., but it was also used as a generic term for all the WoB-related SDS efforts IIRC.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:23, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Tables==
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:Now that we have more info, you're probably right about a reorganization. By "sub commands" I assume you're talking about something like a category for units that are part of [[1st Army (Star League)]], then a category for [[I Corps (Star League)]]'s constituent commands, etc. I see no problem with that. (In fact I think we started a category for Army and Corps level organizations: ([[:Category:Star League Defense Force Commands - Army]] and [[:Category:Star League Defense Force Corps]]) but frankly my job picked up and I haven't had a lot of time to keep working on Sarna.)
Hey Mbear, what do you think about my table formats and have you any thoughts for improvement. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 17:32, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
:Do you have an example I can see?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
::Examples: [[DCMS]] or [[Vindicator]] or [[Operation Bulldog]] or [[New Avalon]] [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 17:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
:::I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of any of them. This is just a return to the same issue we had with the Operation Guerrero page: You're just taking existing information and using a table to format it into columns. I don't understand what you're trying to achieve by doing this.
 
:::In particular, the Vindicator modification adds absolutely nothing to the page, and I would argue that the formatting choice you've made (borders etc.) actually makes it more confusing.
 
:::Operation Bulldog- The tables at the top are just used for formatting content into multiple columns. Again, I don't see the point. As for the planetary battles, we were better served by using paragraphs. This is a combination of a deployment table and a historical overview, unfortunately it doesn't do either well.
 
:::New Avalon - I don't mind it on the Nearby Worlds since that's already a table, but the garrisoning military force and Owner history shouldn't be tables. Owner history is a single column list, so why put that in a table? It worked perfectly well as a list.
 
:::DCMS - Maybe, but I think we might be better able to get your multi-column content into a list format and re-style it using CSS rather than hardcoding a table in there.
 
:::So to sum up, I'm not a fan of most of these changes. I think the data you're displaying as a table was better displayed as a list in most cases. I don't actually understand what you're trying to achieve by converting the lists to tables. Several of these changes actually reduce the functionality of the page instead of enhancing it. Further, I think that converting a list to a table artificially inflates the page size, which will mean higher bandwidth costs (in particular I'm thinking of the Owner History on New Avalon page and the planetary battles in Operation Bulldog).--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
::::I have received many positive responses and get also awards from other Users. My intention was to give the sites a cleaner look. I think in such cases the user like tables or dislike them. In retrospect I count most users like them. Can you explanin me please why the table fomart increase the bandwich use. That is unclear to me... [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 18:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::Redone accomplished.[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 18:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Tables==
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:I also just created a new category as an example: [[:Category:Star League Defense Force Auxiliary Corps]] which lists the various Auxiliary Corps used in the Reunification War.
Hey Mbear, what do you think about my table formats and have you any thoughts for improvement. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 17:32, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
:Do you have an example I can see?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 17:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
::Examples: [[DCMS]] or [[Vindicator]] or [[Operation Bulldog]] or [[New Avalon]] [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 17:49, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
:::I'm sorry but I'm not a fan of any of them. This is just a return to the same issue we had with the Operation Guerrero page: You're just taking existing information and using a table to format it into columns. I don't understand what you're trying to achieve by doing this.
 
:::In particular, the Vindicator modification adds absolutely nothing to the page, and I would argue that the formatting choice you've made (borders etc.) actually makes it more confusing.
 
:::Operation Bulldog- The tables at the top are just used for formatting content into multiple columns. Again, I don't see the point. As for the planetary battles, we were better served by using paragraphs. This is a combination of a deployment table and a historical overview, unfortunately it doesn't do either well.
 
:::New Avalon - I don't mind it on the Nearby Worlds since that's already a table, but the garrisoning military force and Owner history shouldn't be tables. Owner history is a single column list, so why put that in a table? It worked perfectly well as a list.
 
:::DCMS - Maybe, but I think we might be better able to get your multi-column content into a list format and re-style it using CSS rather than hardcoding a table in there.
 
:::So to sum up, I'm not a fan of most of these changes. I think the data you're displaying as a table was better displayed as a list in most cases. I don't actually understand what you're trying to achieve by converting the lists to tables. Several of these changes actually reduce the functionality of the page instead of enhancing it. Further, I think that converting a list to a table artificially inflates the page size, which will mean higher bandwidth costs (in particular I'm thinking of the Owner History on New Avalon page and the planetary battles in Operation Bulldog).--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 18:27, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
::::I have received many positive responses and get also awards from other Users. My intention was to give the sites a cleaner look. I think in such cases the user like tables or dislike them. In retrospect I count most users like them. Can you explanin me please why the table fomart increase the bandwich use. That is unclear to me... [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 18:39, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
 
:::::I know you've received many awards from other users. In fact I've given you some. {{Emoticon| :) }} The thing is that I think your application of tables is simply unnecessary in most situations.
 
  
===The concrete example of the table taking more bandwidth===
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:However, I wouldn't recommend removing any existing specialist categories, like [[:Category:Star League Defense Force Commands - Infantry Division]].
(I'm referring to the [[New Avalon]] page here.) I've just pulled the HTML source code of your Garrison Military Force and saved it to my desktop. (See NA-Table below.) The original list based format is listed below it as NA-List.
 
  
When I saved these snippets to my computer, the Table code you provided weighs in at 3kb. The list version weighs in at 2.6kb. Your first instinct is to say "Mbear 0.3kb isn't a lot, get over it." You're correct: 0.3KB isn't a lot. But as your lists/tables get longer, you have to add more markup to support them. Imagine that instead of the five lines you have here, you have ten lines. Now your table version will take up 6kb, and the list version will take up 5.4kb. For worlds that have an even longer history of various garrison units, that difference in file size is going to grow even larger.
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:Does that help at all or have I just confused the issue even more?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 09:06, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
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::Thanks for the tip. That was my idea, and delete existing categories was not in my mind :).--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 11:44, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
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:::my problem with including units in say 1st Army is that if a casual user does not know it is part of 1st Army we have just made finding it exponentially harder not easier. 1st Sword of Light will always be easy to find because it shares the name of the next command level up.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 11:54, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
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::::OK. That's a valid concern. How about we add the subcommand categories as described, but keep the giant list that Pserratv is complaining about? (Sorry Pserratv.) That way it's still broken down in a more manageable size, but the list is still there for casual users.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 11:56, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
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:::::If we do this, and I accept any ruling and I understand also why you are worried, we need to do first something on the commands now in General as... well, otherwise they'll be flooded and never be seen again. I accept suggestions. As per returning also some of them to both general and subcategories, which is the ruling? We are taling on more than 800 commands, not an easy decision to take on what should be at Category General level and what not.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 15:31, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
  
Another example: The Vindicator page. I've saved the Variant section for the list version and your proposed table version. The list version is 5kB in size, while your table version is 6kB in size. So you've added about 20% to that section just for formatting. Now imagine doing that to a [[Wasp]] or [[Warhammer]] with all the variants they have. See what I mean?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 19:03, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
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== Proposed Organization of the Star League Forces (final) ==
  
====NA-Table====
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I've created and explained a proposal here: [[:Category talk:Star League Defense Force Commands]], could you review and share your insights?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 08:55, 7 August 2019 (EDT)
  
<h2><span class="editsection"></span> <span class="mw-headline">Garrisoning Military Force</span></h2>
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== Image Categories ==
<table class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; border: 2px solid black;" width="500">
 
<tbody><tr>
 
<th style="border-bottom: 2px solid black;"> Year
 
</th><th style="border-bottom: 2px solid black;"> Unit
 
</th></tr>
 
<tr>
 
<td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;">3050
 
  
</td><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;"><a href="/wiki/322nd_Division_%28ComStar%29" title="322nd Division (ComStar)">322nd Division (ComStar)</a><sup id="cite_ref-20YU70_2-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-20YU70-2" title="">[3]</a></sup>
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Hi Mbear,
</td></tr>
 
<tr>
 
<td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;">3054<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3" title="">[4]</a></sup>
 
</td><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;"> <a href="/wiki/Team_Banzai" title="Team Banzai">Team Banzai</a> (1 <a href="/wiki/Battalion" title="Battalion" class="mw-redirect">Battalion</a> in rotary duty)
 
<dl><dd> <a href="/wiki/1st_Davion_Guards" title="1st Davion Guards">1st Davion Guards</a> (RCT)
 
  
</dd><dd><a href="/wiki/Davion_Heavy_Guards" title="Davion Heavy Guards">Davion Heavy Guards</a> (RCT)
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Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Uncategorized files] not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 04:24, 8 March 2021 (EST)
</dd></dl>
 
</td></tr>
 
<tr>
 
<td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;">3055 to 3062
 
</td><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;"> <a href="/wiki/299th_Division_%28ComStar%29" title="299th Division (ComStar)">299th Division (ComStar)</a><sup id="cite_ref-CS84_4-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-CS84-4" title="">[5]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-FMCS126_5-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMCS126-5" title="">[6]</a></sup>
 
</td></tr>
 
<tr>
 
<td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;">3067
 
</td><td style="border-bottom: 1px solid black;"> <a href="/wiki/New_Avalon_Cavaliers" title="New Avalon Cavaliers">New Avalon Cavaliers</a><sup id="cite_ref-MS67_6-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-MS67-6" title="">[7]</a></sup>
 
  
<dl><dd><a href="/wiki/2nd_NAIS_Cadet_Cadre" title="2nd NAIS Cadet Cadre">2nd NAIS Cadet Cadre</a><sup id="cite_ref-FMU139_7-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMU139-7" title="">[8]</a></sup>
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== Discord added ==
</dd><dd><i>1st Davion Guards RCT</i><sup id="cite_ref-FMU139_7-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMU139-7" title="">[8]</a></sup>
 
</dd><dd> <a href="/wiki/5th_Donegal_Guards" title="5th Donegal Guards">5th Donegal Guards RCT</a><sup id="cite_ref-FMU179_8-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMU179-8" title="">[9]</a></sup>
 
</dd><dd><a href="/wiki/10th_Lyran_Guards" title="10th Lyran Guards">10th Lyran Guards</a><sup id="cite_ref-FMU179_8-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMU179-8" title="">[9]</a></sup>
 
</dd></dl>
 
</td></tr>
 
<tr>
 
<td> 3071 to 3071
 
  
</td><td> <a href="/wiki/Bronson%27s_Horde" title="Bronson's Horde">Bronson's Horde</a><sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9" title="">[10]</a></sup>
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If you pop onto the Discord, give a shout out to Deadfire, me, or one of the other admins and we'll "promote" you.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:27, 10 June 2021 (EDT)
</td></tr></tbody></table>
 
  
====NA-List====
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== Thank you. ==
<h2> <span class="mw-headline">Garrisoning Military Force</span></h2>
 
  
<a name="3050" id="3050"></a><h3> <span class="mw-headline">3050</span></h3>
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Hey mbear,
<ul><li> <a href="/wiki/322nd_Division_%28ComStar%29" title="322nd Division (ComStar)">322nd Division (ComStar)</a><sup id="cite_ref-20YU70_2-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-20YU70-2" title="">[3]</a></sup>
 
</li></ul>
 
<a name="3054.5B4.5D" id="3054.5B4.5D"></a><h3> <span class="mw-headline">3054<sup id="cite_ref-3" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-3" title="">[4]</a></sup></span></h3>
 
<ul><li> <a href="/wiki/Team_Banzai" title="Team Banzai">Team Banzai</a> (1 <a href="/wiki/Battalion" title="Battalion" class="mw-redirect">Battalion</a> in rotary duty)
 
  
</li><li> <a href="/wiki/1st_Davion_Guards" title="1st Davion Guards">1st Davion Guards</a> (RCT)
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Thank you for having a look at the [[Template:InfoBoxMilitaryCommand]], I had told Pserratv I was going to ask you to look at it but I had real life stuff to do. When I came back you had done it on your own. Massively appreciated. Have an award [[File:PS 3sol.jpg|Problem Solver Award, 7th ribbon]]. --[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 11:08, 28 June 2021 (EDT)
</li><li> <a href="/wiki/Davion_Heavy_Guards" title="Davion Heavy Guards">Davion Heavy Guards</a> (RCT)
 
</li></ul>
 
<a name="3055_to_3062" id="3055_to_3062"></a><h3> <span class="mw-headline">3055 to 3062</span></h3>
 
<ul><li> <a href="/wiki/299th_Division_%28ComStar%29" title="299th Division (ComStar)">299th Division (ComStar)</a><sup id="cite_ref-CS84_4-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-CS84-4" title="">[5]</a></sup><sup id="cite_ref-FMCS126_5-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMCS126-5" title="">[6]</a></sup>
 
  
</li></ul>
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== Charts for Battletech ==
<a name="3067_2" id="3067_2"></a><h3> <span class="mw-headline">3067</span></h3>
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Hello mbear, can you please take a look at the following site: https://www.sarna.net/wiki/User:Neuling/charts and tell me your opinion about it. My goal is to greate a chart to see the expierence difference of an Brigade during a specific time. The next chart shows the strucure of the FWL navy in 2765. I had more chart about the different structures within an military organisation like the Republic of the Inner Sphere and even the loses of the SLDF from 264 to 2784. With best regards [[neuling]].
<ul><li> <a href="/wiki/New_Avalon_Cavaliers" title="New Avalon Cavaliers">New Avalon Cavaliers</a><sup id="cite_ref-MS67_6-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-MS67-6" title="">[7]</a></sup>
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:I think my request wil not get a response. My goal was not to include the charts in the wiki. But you have your reasons, which are unknown to me, for not communicating about that topic. I hope you can help me that time. Can we include anchor in that wiki or is that something for Nic to discuss. [[neuling]]
</li><li> <a href="/wiki/2nd_NAIS_Cadet_Cadre" title="2nd NAIS Cadet Cadre">2nd NAIS Cadet Cadre</a><sup id="cite_ref-FMU139_7-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMU139-7" title="">[8]</a></sup>
 
</li><li> <i>1st Davion Guards RCT</i><sup id="cite_ref-FMU139_7-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMU139-7" title="">[8]</a></sup>
 
</li><li> <a href="/wiki/5th_Donegal_Guards" title="5th Donegal Guards">5th Donegal Guards RCT</a><sup id="cite_ref-FMU179_8-0" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMU179-8" title="">[9]</a></sup>
 
  
</li><li> <a href="/wiki/10th_Lyran_Guards" title="10th Lyran Guards">10th Lyran Guards</a><sup id="cite_ref-FMU179_8-1" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-FMU179-8" title="">[9]</a></sup>
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== Units infobox template ==
</li></ul>
 
<a name="3071_to_3071" id="3071_to_3071"></a><h3> <span class="mw-headline">3071 to 3071</span></h3>
 
<ul><li> <a href="/wiki/Bronson%27s_Horde" title="Bronson's Horde">Bronson's Horde</a><sup id="cite_ref-9" class="reference"><a href="#cite_note-9" title="">[10]</a></sup>
 
  
==Thanks==
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I see that you are updating some of them. Are you folowing some process to select which to upgraqe? I see a bit of ecery thing so I asked.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 15:18, 13 July 2021 (EDT)
Hy again, i give you this award [[File:PS 1sol.jpg|Problem Solver Award, 5th ribbon]], for your CSS help, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 13:17, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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:Not really. I'm going by the "What Links Here" link from the template. Starting at the end of the list and moving forward so I can see the list shrinking.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 07:59, 14 July 2021 (EDT)
Hello Mbear, i will think about it to include the css formating in my side. And about the tables. I will include tables in articles which are created by me and when I think it looks better. I understand that by larger pages it could increase the bandwitch a little bit. Tables are also a personal taste. The user like it or not. I will always listen to the other users and will think about their arguments. But I reserve the freedom to me to act on creation and will find a solution when problems arise by cooperative works. Sometimes my behavior is unsual, but I have put a lot of information in articles and categories which were orphans before. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 14:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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::Although now that I've done some, I've decided to focus on brigade/organization levels. For example, the Protectorate Militia, and then the Dieron Regulars.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup>
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:::I've done several of them already (see [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/User:Pserratv#InfoBoxMilitaryCommand my page]). We should try to coordinate :).--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 03:44, 24 August 2021 (EDT)
  
::Its me again. I understand your position to. I have redone my changes by the variant articles. When you would change the army sites back, make it. I think we are a open community and will argue about issues. When I think some chnages  look great I will change first only an exmple and ask then the others. I know you dislike tables or other changes that I make in some cases. I will not makes problems but also will have the freedom to cooperate in away which is accepted. You write to me use hole sentences or becare when you change something. I'm grateful for your advice. I think sometimes new style/looks can change a article to the better. To be true many army sites for example looks like a mess and are dis organized. Its funny when I think to create a site for a special issue is helpful and some thin it is unnessary. (I mean not the gallery page).[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 16:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
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==Nigel Sortek==
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Hey Mbear, just so you know, I removed your addition of [[Nigel Sortek]] to the [[House Sortek]] page. The reason why is because he is already in the family tree, and I am slowly trying to switch over the "Known family members" to "'''Other''' known family members" as I figure out how various people are related. [[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 12:26, 30 August 2021 (EDT)
  
==CSS==
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== Community Service Award, 3rd ribbon ==
Tnx for your work and I will think about it to put the CSS in my preferences. Abot tables, which is the best way to find a solution which is widely accepted. My Thoughts, many sites are disorganized or have a structure were the diffferents are not cleary worked out. In the last days a have put only two or three new tables up. Some times tables are a good solution in a common way, for example when larger lists are integrated or content can be better sortet. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 06:16, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
 
:Agreed, tables are a good way to sort content when you have several related columns. In some cases however, like the owner history of planets and other single columns of information, a table isn't a good way to go. A list is. (I have to deal with the abuse of tables for non-table content every day at work and it gets tiresome.)
 
:I guess our definition of content that can be sorted differ.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:13, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 
==Moratorium Period for RS:3085 Record Sheets== 
 
Hello MBear, it i believe a goof happened the actual dates to end their Moratorium periods for these articles are missing. [[:Talk:Record Sheets: 3085 Unabridged — Project Phoenix]]. Would you weigh in to see what should be done? I have rough idea when they came out, since i am a vivid purchaser of the PDFs. So mine download date are within the day of their release. I asked Rev, he felt you would be better at resolving this issue. I'm only but a averge editor, not administor. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 13:37, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
 
:It looks like these are PDF exclusives, so you're correct. I thought they were going to be published, but now that I think about it that would be a big task. So I'll go ahead and remove the Moratoriums from the relevant files. (We still have three days until The Cutting Edge is available.) Thanks for asking!--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 14:01, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Request for factions==
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[[File:CommServ_2bol.jpg|Community Service Award, 3rd ribbon]]<br>
Hey Mbear, I have a questions about the different factions an their unique equipment availability. I think it is useful to mark every variant with icons or something this way to know how has access to the machines. And could we expande the space between the variant to see where the beginning is and where the end. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 19:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
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Thank you very much for crafting/researching/conjuring this bit of much-wanted media-wiki code. This is going to be extremely helpful. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 10:59, 31 August 2021 (EDT)
:Neuling, I think that's what the categories are for at the bottom of the unit pages. If a faction is listed, it has access to the 'Mech. A 'Mech with no factions listed is available to everyone.
 
:Wait, I just re-read what you wrote. OK. So an example of your proposal would be putting a small Federated Suns logo in front of those variants listed as being a Federated Suns unit? Ummm...adding an icon to every variant is going to be a big task, and possibly discourage contributions from new editors.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 19:56, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 
::Hy Mbear, i read this and i like the idea of Neuling, i would do this (give me the icons), and the hughe task can started.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:24, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 
:::Well, there are two problems with your request Doneve:
 
# Consensus has not been reached (as far as I know). Neuling, please make your suggestion on the [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_BattleMechs|Project BattleMechs Talk page]] so others can contribute.
 
# I don't have icon images yet. Until consensus is reached, I'm not going to make them. (I'll wait until I know the project has accepted the idea before making them.)--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 01:16, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 
::::Hy Mbear, i know, but it was a little goal to kick up this new idea, i would to weight in, and the Consensus can started, it is a very good idead, but hmm, how we can bring up this issu to acceptance to others, i want to go to bed, and give you a new goal to next day.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 01:26, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
 
  
===Variant formatting (again)===
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== My Redlinks ==
''Split this to track separately from issue above.''
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Hiya, saw that you purged my redlinks - specifically, the [[BattleTech rulebooks]]. That's a summary article I intend to write yet, to show how the BT rules evolved over time. In this sense, it's going to be a companion article to the Boxed set article that shows how the basic boxed set product evolved over time. I've taken the liberty to revert your cleanup and restore my messy redlinks, as a reminder to myself to get that article up and running. If nothing happens in a few months' time, feel free to kick me in the shins about it (or delete the links again, in which case I won't object anymore). :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:37, 16 September 2021 (EDT)
And could we expand the space between the variant to see where the beginning is and where the end. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 19:22, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 
:One thing that was mentioned on the [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Project_BattleMechs#Variant_format]] section was a proposal to put the variants in as a definition list. Basically all you need to do is change the stars (*) and dashes we're using now to ; and : (colon). (I just haven't been doing it because I've been trying to get info into the list.)
 
:Using the definition list makes the variant designations boldfaced and appear on their own line. This increases the space between teh variants as you ask. (And if you want to modify the CSS rules to make the list items on the star lists appear further apart, you can add this to your custom CSS file: '''ul + ul {margin-top:25px;}''' It will only work in Firefox, Chrome, and IE8+ though.)--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 19:56, 22 March 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Test==
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==Options for new layout==
Hey Mbear, please take a look at the [[Banshee]] site and give me a short response about the modification I make about the variants. I doesn't uses tables only the simpliest formating and with a short overview variant - year - faction - modification/manufacturer - planet. Please give me a short response. Tnx [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 20:13, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
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Hello Mbear, I communicated with Dmon about a new layout for the existing military organization sites. He think Version 2 is acceptable. Before I start anything, I ask the Mods for their approval. The  site for the version is [[User:Neuling/test-rework]]. Tell me your opinion about it and perhaps we found common ground. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] ([[User talk:Neuling|talk]]) 16:03, 27 September 2021 (EDT)
: Hy Neuling, I Jump in at the moment. I think the data you provided, must placed in the difference entieres of the manufacturing centers section, and please add your ^^referencea^^ ;).--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 
:: At second, the variants data you would provided, give it a entyre to the own mech page, and linked to to manufacturer page with ^^refs^^.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 
:::And on the last, Neuling, we need references to your contributions, the [[Banshee]] example is good but we need some....ref. notes.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:35, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
 
:I have no problems with the format at all. I do think the work you show here could probably go up in the Variants section near each variant though. (See the Banshee 8S for an example.) I don't see anything wrong with it.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 15:45, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 
::Agree to with the variant idea, with a working link to the manufacturing entires, thoughts.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:29, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Question==
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==House Zibler==
Hy Mbear, you have any knowhow about the technology category, i'am a little bit tired for fixing Neuling's new creations on the technology pages, he added ref. notes but not all of our users know what is TRO: 3067, Milspec etc., and we have the CAPS problem in some articles etc. etc, i hope you can find a way to talk to him for this, he is entusiastic and make great contributions, but i think not in a sarne policy sheme, this example is only for the Technology category, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:06, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
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Hey Mbear,
:I'd encourage you to leave a note on the page first. Maybe he'll see your point. (Plus he speaks German natively, so you could probably talk to him more effectively than I could.)--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 16:14, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 
::Ok i contact him, and talke about the Manual of Style and other problems, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 16:56, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Creature Infobox==
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Just a heads up that I re-removed most of the characters you added from the Crazy Eights as they where in the family tree. The intent is that the bottom section is "Other family members" who we don't have a spot for in the tree.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 15:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
Hy Mbear, when you have time, please take a look on this [[Template:InfoBoxCreature]], fix somethings if you want, and give me a little feedback. Greetings--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 16:57, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Plagiarism==
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== Infoboxmilitary command exercise ==
Hy Mbear, i note the most contributions of (Autor: BattleTech Muse 3056) are always plagarized material, in the major Inner Sphere factions section, i dont want to remove content, but can we found a way to correct this, you know i am not the fluff writer, i hope any can overwrite, correct this missere, thanks--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 20:40, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Operation Revival==
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Hi Mbear,
Hy Mbear, please take alook of [[Operation Revival]] and give my a short respone about my writing style. What do you think it is enough...
 
[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 18:56, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
 
  
==Creature Infobox==
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I finished clan commands and wanted to follow with this, but found out that you have already amended maybe all of them. Are any commands in this category you have not touched? List below.
Hy Mbear, i hope you can help by this problem, the discussion is copyed from Frabby's talk page.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 21:07, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 
  
Hy Frabby, you fix the Creature Infobox, when i added a species image, ok it is shown in it, but i found after the save a broken infobox, take a look on the [[Ghost Bear (species)]] page, thanks. --[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 00:10, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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Pending:
:The InfoBox doesn't look broken to me - can you specify the problem? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 08:36, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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* ComStar Commands
::The horizontal closing line in the top of the infobox, i don't see it.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 09:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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* Draconis Combine Commands
:::Ah, now I see what you mean. Problem is, this is the same for all new infoboxes we have (and I think it was always like this). Only, on most of them you don't see it because very few images are pure white, most have a dark background. The frame is there on the (old-style) BattleMech infoboxes though so it is possible to have hone. I have no idea how to arrange a frame atop the image, perhaps ask Nic or Mbear? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 20:59, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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* Federated Commonwealth Commands
::::It looks like the top border of the infobox is missing. To confirm or disprove Frabby's theory, I substituted an award image for the ghost bear image and saw the same problem. The borders to either side of the image appeared, but the top didn't. Still investigating.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 11:05, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
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* Federated Suns Commands
::::The creature infobox is using the '''infoBoxNew''' CSS class, while the battlemech infobox is using the '''infobox''' CSS class. '''infoBoxNew''' has explicitly set the border-top property to 0px, which makes it disappear. When I changed the creature infobox to use '''infobox''' the border appeared. (It was in the wrong color, but it was progress.) So it looks like the '''infoBoxNew''' class needs to be updated to remove the 0px top border. I don't know what infobox templates are using that class however, so I haven't made the change or requested it.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 11:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
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* Free Worlds League Commands
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* Lyran Commands
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* Magistracy of Canopus Commands
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* Mercenary Commands
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* Rasalhague Dominion Commands
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* Raven Alliance Commands
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* Republic of the Sphere Commands
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* Rim Provisional Government Commands
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* Rim Worlds Republic Commands
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* Star League Defense Force Commands
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* Taurian Concordat Commands
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* Word of Blake Commands
  
== Welcome template ==
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Regards.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 11:47, 6 October 2021 (EDT)
 
 
Mbear, would you please show me how to update the [[Template:Welcome|Welcome]] template to best make use of the skins? I'd appreciate it. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:01, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 
:I forgot all about the welcome template, so there's nothing in the skins right now to use them. That said, I'd make a couple of small changes to the HTML in the template and update the skin CSS files. There's a sample at [[User:Mbear/welcome]], with the updated welcome message up top and the existing one below.
 
:The updated welcome message gets an ID attribute of '''welcomemessage'''. I've also replaced two <code>DIV</code> tags that were being used for formatting with <code>H2</code> tags. That's pretty much it for the HTML.
 
:For the CSS I've created a sample at [[User:Mbear/sarnasteiner.css]]. I don't know if you can see that or not. Just in case, here's the code:
 
<pre>
 
div#welcomemessage /*sets up colored border*/
 
{
 
border:3px solid #000;
 
padding:1em;
 
}
 
 
 
div#welcomemessage h2 /* "Welcome" and "Be Bold" */
 
{
 
text-decoration:none;
 
font-weight:bold;
 
font-style:normal;
 
text-align:center;
 
font-size:18px;
 
}
 
div#welcomemessage div /*the white background part*/
 
{
 
border:3px solid #000;
 
padding: 0 1em 0 1em;
 
background-color:#fff;
 
}
 
div#welcomemessage span.editsection {display:none;}
 
 
 
/* This will go into faction-specific stylesheets to set appropriate color background. */
 
div#welcomemessage {background-color:#C7CFD9;}
 
</pre>
 
:Basically everything from <code>div#welcomemessage</code> on down will have to go into the main (global) CSS file. This will set the '''welcomemessage''' to the correct size, font size, padding, etc. That doesn't change from one skin to the next.
 
:Faction specific colors can be set by using the last line. I'd just need to add the appropriate color to the faction CSS file.
 
:Nic will need to update/upload those files though. I don't know how MediaWiki sets up the stylesheets.
 
:Does that help or am I just confusing the issue?--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 16:05, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Question==
 
Hi Mbear, i hope your doing good. I had question, recently you edited [[XTRO: RetroTech]], i saw something i thought was little confusing.  You listed the series in the infobox as being ''series = Electronic Books'', why? Won't that say every single PDF book ever made is a series? I would think that it was part of the Experimental Technical Readout series. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] 22:27, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 
:Wrangler, my edits only occurred on the contents not the infobox. I think Frabby wrote that when he put the new infobox in place. But I agree with you, I think it should be part of the Experimental Technical Readout series.--[[User:Mbear|Mbear]] 10:41, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 
 
 
==Spam==
 
Hi Mbear, a question about spammers, why block the most of the other admins the spammers only for 1 year, why not for a unlimited time.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 18:19, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
 

Latest revision as of 11:47, 6 October 2021

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Archived[edit]


LX Corps[edit]

Hi, i removed the image it is wrong, i uploade the correct.--Doneve (talk) 11:42, 26 January 2016 (PST)

Davion Assault Guards[edit]

Hey Mbear, noticed somebody edited your Davion Assault Guards page, I am going to assume that the user thought it was the "main article" as it where. Since you have not touched the article since 2013 do you think we could possibly retire it to avoid confusion? Cheers --Dmon (talk) 13:01, 4 February 2016 (PST)

Jade Falcon units[edit]

Mbear - yeah, i get the issue. The units in question fought the Kell Hounds, resulting in the death of Daniel Allard. Unfortunately, they weren't mentioned by name. Nevertheless, other sources clear state their presence. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 17:40, 2 June 2016 (PDT)

Victroy Ranger units[edit]

Hi, i see you removed the update needed tags, i dont want to add tags for Field Manual: 3145 the pages need to update by this source, can you do this when you found time, cheers.--Doneve (talk) 07:11, 7 June 2016 (PDT)

SLDF Units[edit]

Hi, started to add some updates to the SLDF units, but I see it is one of your pet projects. I don't want to step on anyone's toes, but if you need any help just let me know. Dark Jaguar (talk) 08:17, 13 June 2016 (PDT)

St. Ives Sentinels[edit]

Hello. The Armored Infantry and Mounted Fusiliers are the 1st and 2nd St. Ives Sentinels. You listed them as dead and created new pages for the 1st and 2nd. What do you want me to do about them? Henryjones000 (talk) 12:44, 13 April 2017 (EDT)

Spammers[edit]

I saw your efforts to delete all the spambots earlier, just wanted to say thanks for all your hard work as an admin. It's really appreciated, you deserve this award. Vandal Cop Award, 3rd ribbon Dark Jaguar (talk) 17:00, 9 May 2017 (EDT)

In the same vein, thank you for standing in the trenches and fighting off the soulless spambots with me and BrokenMnemonic. Have another Vandal Cop award on me. (4th ribbon, right?) Frabby (talk) 03:21, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Don't admin tired (or angry)[edit]

I was going thru the motions of dealing with the spambot when I saw you had already done some deletions. I blocked, but wondered if you had merged it with anonymous; when I saw you hadn't I went to do so, but because I was thinking of you, I copied your name into the merge command. Thank Nic you were in the protected group! As the protected group warning popped up, I was still in disblief: "No! Did I just delete Mbear?!" --Revanche (talk|contribs) 10:04, 2 October 2017 (EDT)

sigh I knew it. Everyone IS out to get me. ;)--Mbear(talk) 06:56, 3 October 2017 (EDT)
Nic is in your corner (for the moment), so you've got that going for you. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 14:55, 3 October 2017 (EDT)

BattleCorp's Battletech style guide[edit]

Not sure if you wanted to update your link on your userpage to [this one] as your old link doesn't go anywhere anymore.--Deadfire (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2018 (EST)

Mechwarrior 1[edit]

Hello. As of now, the site has a number of download links for all Mechwarrior games on various platforms and so on. I'd like to ask you guys to consider giving a link to the Sharp X68000 and PC-9801 versions of Mechwarrior 1. They're abandonware and it's quite hard to track the ROMs down nowadays. It could very well become impossible in the not so distant future which would be a shame as they've made a bigger mark on Battletech than any version of MW2, MW3 or MC could ever dream of. Plus, the PC-98 version of the game is practically the only one playable by today's standards which is quite an issue when it comes to people trying out MW1. As of now, there's functional links to download floppy images for the games:
X68000 floppies - http://78.213.180.135:5080/mame/index.php?name=btech/x68k_flop (as btech.zip in the upper right corner)
PC-9801 floppies - https://mega.nz/#F!F59WkSqQ!quGKSFIswBgv0rxAAaF8Pg!ctEDjaKL (Under は, find 【PC98】バトルテック.rar) Adridos (talk) 20:25, 14 February 2018 (EST)

The right person to ask about this would be our site bureaucrat User:Nicjansma. Nobody else can add stuff to the download section (which has been in need of a workover for a decade now anyways). :) I've dropped a note in Nic's talk page to perhaps look into this. Frabby (talk) 05:38, 15 February 2018 (EST)
Wow, awesome find. Added to: http://www.sarna.net/files/programs/games/battletech_ubawareta_seihai/ Nicjansma (talk) 20:33, 26 March 2018 (EDT)

WIP tag[edit]

Morning, Mbear. I just stumbled across your question regarding pages under construction ("Is there a way to list all pages with the underconstruction tag on them?" - on your profile page). I just happened to do exactly that a few days back. This can also be found on the To Do List (on the Sidebar).--Revanche (talk|contribs) 09:51, 25 May 2018 (EDT)

Advanced Technology Year[edit]

It may seem like a stupid question but what is an "Advanced Technology Year"? Is it different in universe from year available?--Dmon (talk) 08:37, 21 February 2019 (EST)

The idea is to track what year technologies move from Experimental Rules to Advanced Rules to Tournament Legal rules. Obviously I need to re-write that for clarity. --Mbear(talk) 08:39, 21 February 2019 (EST)
Ah ok... To me the prototype/year introduced seemed to essentially have it covered but I had not thught about all the rules stuff as I tend to think in universe terms.--Dmon (talk) 12:13, 21 February 2019 (EST)

Star League commands order[edit]

Hi Mbear,

I've seen that the Star League commands order is different from the rest. Units assigned in sub-level commands do appear also in the root (something that does not happen in other Military Commands Categories. Am I right if I consider this Category incorrectly done?

I also think there are categories missing that should help reorganize this a bit better? The level of sub commands can be huge, and I do not even know which is the best way to order them.

I tried to make this a general query, but have no idea on how to do it.--Pserratv (talk) 10:31, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

I wouldn't say "incorrectly done" exactly, but I see your point. I think what happened was the original SLDF commands category was created before FM:SLDF and other Star League era sourcebooks were published. Going by the limited information available in The Star League, this original category was probably enough.
Now that we have more info, you're probably right about a reorganization. By "sub commands" I assume you're talking about something like a category for units that are part of 1st Army (Star League), then a category for I Corps (Star League)'s constituent commands, etc. I see no problem with that. (In fact I think we started a category for Army and Corps level organizations: (Category:Star League Defense Force Commands - Army and Category:Star League Defense Force Corps) but frankly my job picked up and I haven't had a lot of time to keep working on Sarna.)
I also just created a new category as an example: Category:Star League Defense Force Auxiliary Corps which lists the various Auxiliary Corps used in the Reunification War.
However, I wouldn't recommend removing any existing specialist categories, like Category:Star League Defense Force Commands - Infantry Division.
Does that help at all or have I just confused the issue even more?--Mbear(talk) 09:06, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for the tip. That was my idea, and delete existing categories was not in my mind :).--Pserratv (talk) 11:44, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
my problem with including units in say 1st Army is that if a casual user does not know it is part of 1st Army we have just made finding it exponentially harder not easier. 1st Sword of Light will always be easy to find because it shares the name of the next command level up.--Dmon (talk) 11:54, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
OK. That's a valid concern. How about we add the subcommand categories as described, but keep the giant list that Pserratv is complaining about? (Sorry Pserratv.) That way it's still broken down in a more manageable size, but the list is still there for casual users.--Mbear(talk) 11:56, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
If we do this, and I accept any ruling and I understand also why you are worried, we need to do first something on the commands now in General as... well, otherwise they'll be flooded and never be seen again. I accept suggestions. As per returning also some of them to both general and subcategories, which is the ruling? We are taling on more than 800 commands, not an easy decision to take on what should be at Category General level and what not.--Pserratv (talk) 15:31, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Proposed Organization of the Star League Forces (final)[edit]

I've created and explained a proposal here: Category talk:Star League Defense Force Commands, could you review and share your insights?--Pserratv (talk) 08:55, 7 August 2019 (EDT)

Image Categories[edit]

Hi Mbear,

Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the Uncategorized files not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--Pserratv (talk) 04:24, 8 March 2021 (EST)

Discord added[edit]

If you pop onto the Discord, give a shout out to Deadfire, me, or one of the other admins and we'll "promote" you.--Revanche (talk|contribs) 12:27, 10 June 2021 (EDT)

Thank you.[edit]

Hey mbear,

Thank you for having a look at the Template:InfoBoxMilitaryCommand, I had told Pserratv I was going to ask you to look at it but I had real life stuff to do. When I came back you had done it on your own. Massively appreciated. Have an award Problem Solver Award, 7th ribbon. --Dmon (talk) 11:08, 28 June 2021 (EDT)

Charts for Battletech[edit]

Hello mbear, can you please take a look at the following site: https://www.sarna.net/wiki/User:Neuling/charts and tell me your opinion about it. My goal is to greate a chart to see the expierence difference of an Brigade during a specific time. The next chart shows the strucure of the FWL navy in 2765. I had more chart about the different structures within an military organisation like the Republic of the Inner Sphere and even the loses of the SLDF from 264 to 2784. With best regards neuling.

I think my request wil not get a response. My goal was not to include the charts in the wiki. But you have your reasons, which are unknown to me, for not communicating about that topic. I hope you can help me that time. Can we include anchor in that wiki or is that something for Nic to discuss. neuling

Units infobox template[edit]

I see that you are updating some of them. Are you folowing some process to select which to upgraqe? I see a bit of ecery thing so I asked.--Pserratv (talk) 15:18, 13 July 2021 (EDT)

Not really. I'm going by the "What Links Here" link from the template. Starting at the end of the list and moving forward so I can see the list shrinking.--Mbear(talk) 07:59, 14 July 2021 (EDT)
Although now that I've done some, I've decided to focus on brigade/organization levels. For example, the Protectorate Militia, and then the Dieron Regulars.--Mbear(talk)
I've done several of them already (see my page). We should try to coordinate :).--Pserratv (talk) 03:44, 24 August 2021 (EDT)

Nigel Sortek[edit]

Hey Mbear, just so you know, I removed your addition of Nigel Sortek to the House Sortek page. The reason why is because he is already in the family tree, and I am slowly trying to switch over the "Known family members" to "Other known family members" as I figure out how various people are related. Dmon (talk) 12:26, 30 August 2021 (EDT)

Community Service Award, 3rd ribbon[edit]

Community Service Award, 3rd ribbon
Thank you very much for crafting/researching/conjuring this bit of much-wanted media-wiki code. This is going to be extremely helpful. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 10:59, 31 August 2021 (EDT)

My Redlinks[edit]

Hiya, saw that you purged my redlinks - specifically, the BattleTech rulebooks. That's a summary article I intend to write yet, to show how the BT rules evolved over time. In this sense, it's going to be a companion article to the Boxed set article that shows how the basic boxed set product evolved over time. I've taken the liberty to revert your cleanup and restore my messy redlinks, as a reminder to myself to get that article up and running. If nothing happens in a few months' time, feel free to kick me in the shins about it (or delete the links again, in which case I won't object anymore). :) Frabby (talk) 14:37, 16 September 2021 (EDT)

Options for new layout[edit]

Hello Mbear, I communicated with Dmon about a new layout for the existing military organization sites. He think Version 2 is acceptable. Before I start anything, I ask the Mods for their approval. The  site for the version is User:Neuling/test-rework. Tell me your opinion about it and perhaps we found common ground. Neuling (talk) 16:03, 27 September 2021 (EDT)

House Zibler[edit]

Hey Mbear,

Just a heads up that I re-removed most of the characters you added from the Crazy Eights as they where in the family tree. The intent is that the bottom section is "Other family members" who we don't have a spot for in the tree.--Dmon (talk) 15:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

Infoboxmilitary command exercise[edit]

Hi Mbear,

I finished clan commands and wanted to follow with this, but found out that you have already amended maybe all of them. Are any commands in this category you have not touched? List below.

Pending:

  • ComStar Commands
  • Draconis Combine Commands
  • Federated Commonwealth Commands
  • Federated Suns Commands
  • Free Worlds League Commands
  • Lyran Commands
  • Magistracy of Canopus Commands
  • Mercenary Commands
  • Rasalhague Dominion Commands
  • Raven Alliance Commands
  • Republic of the Sphere Commands
  • Rim Provisional Government Commands
  • Rim Worlds Republic Commands
  • Star League Defense Force Commands
  • Taurian Concordat Commands
  • Word of Blake Commands

Regards.--Pserratv (talk) 11:47, 6 October 2021 (EDT)