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Leftover To-do List

Ships to Write Up

• House Davion (The Federated Suns)
  • NAS Hopewell, launched 2293, first home-built freighter christened in New Avalon, built alongside three other ships by Davion-owned plant
  • Jump Courier Jason Hasek

• The Hunters
  • DCS Bisan - Achilles
  • Alkmarr - Invader
  • Buford - Star Lord
  • Bernlad - Star Lord
  • Cabot - not sure
  • Gettysburg - not sure
  • ISS Banbridge - Monolilth

• Field Report 2765: Draconis Combine

• Dev level errata: http://bg.battletech.com/forums/index.php/topic,35369.msg855464.html#msg855464 - makeup of the Combine Admiralty fleet.

• Handbook: House Kurita
  • Battleships Kumamoto, Shizuoka, carrier Seoul (p. 38)

• Interstellar Operations Beta
  • League-class Talwar, Turk, Tyberium - p. 228-ish
  • Aegis-class Manaslu - p. 228 ish
  • Dropship Vidar Eisenboot - p. 303

• First Succession War (sourcebook)
  • WarShips
    • DCS Honor of Pesht p. 7
    • Manaslu - Aegis, p. 18
    • Caledonia, Donegal, Furillo - Commonwealths, p. 19
    • Odessa, Porrima - Commonwealths, p. 29
    • Aurelius, Nerva, Vespasian, Vitellius - Makos, p. 19
    • Talwar, Turk, Tyberium - Leagues, p. 19
    • Francisco - Vincent, p. 29
    • Midale - New Syrtis, p. 38
    • Reynard Davion, Samuel Davion - Davions, p. 38
    • Firewind - Narukami, p. 38
    • Hagiwawa - Samarkand, p. 38
    • New Ivaarsen - Robinson, p. 39
    • Minekaze, Shiokaze - Lola I, p. 40
    • Liverpool - Carrack, p. 40
    • Robespierre - Vincent, p. 40
    • Duke Henry, Edmund Davion - Davion II, p. 40
    • Omodaka - Narukami II, p. 41
    • Halland, Stockholm - Congress, p. 42
    • Benjamin, An Ting - Samarkand I, p. 42
    • Tsutsuji - Narukami, p. 42
    • Mizuki, Kiaria - Lola, p. 42
    • Novaya Zemlya - New Syrtis, p. 42
    • Sabretooth - Aegis, p. 42
    • Mercury, Neptune - Vincent, p. 42
    • Sahand - Sovetskii Soyuz, p. 42
    • Black Bear p. 43
    • Galedon - Samarkand, p. 46
    • Impregnable, Indomitable - Tharkads, p. 46
    • Bladewind, Star Spirit - Narukami, p. 47
    • Nightwind - Potemkin, p. 47
    • Blue Lotus - Naga, p. 47
    • Coventry - Tharkad, p. 48
    • Gallery, York - Commonwealths, p. 48
    • Radstadt - Samarkand, p. 48
    • Akiko, Maji - Lolas, p. 48
    • Anthemius, Heraclius - Mako, p. 48
    • LCS Ironwood - Aegis, p. 48
    • DCS Jarett, Sawyer - Essex, p. 48
    • Agrippa, Sorunda - Atreus, p. 54
    • Mica Liao - Du Shi Wang, p. 54
    • Solstice - Soyal, p. 54
    • Ospina, Otavalo - League IIs, p. 54
    • Agrippa (again) - Atreus, p. 56
    • Oràn, Ocuri - League II, p. 56
    • Samhain - Vigilant, p. 56
    • Tianjin - Congress, p. 56
    • Ragusa - battleship, p 56
    • Minsck, Warsaw - Lolas, p. 56
    • Zulfiqar - Black Lion, p. 56
    • Ai Di - Essex, p. 56
    • Vladislav - Vincent, p. 56
    • Khalzan - Lola III or Essex, p. 56
    • Kumbha, Mithuna - Soyals, p. 57
    • Chronos - Samarkand, p. 57
    • Kanata, Majestic - Atreus, p. 58
    • Andria, Avellin - Leagues, p. 58
    • Sundermann Liao - Du Shi Wang, p. 60
    • Calseraigne - Essex, p. 60
    • Pleiades - Aegis, p. 60
    • Changsha, Mount Song - Barons, p. 60
    • Vrishabha - Soyal, p. 60
    • Bucharest - Lola III, p. 63
    • Granite, Endeavor - Aegis, p. 63
    • Devastator, Skulker - Soyals, p. 63
    • Rasalas - Cameron, p. 66
    • Hadrian, - Mako, p. 68
    • Potsdam, Ulm - Vincent Mk. 39, p. 68
    • Constantius - Mako, p. 69
    • Histria Azure - Carrack, p. 75
    • Histria Azure (again), Pretoria Castle - Carracks, p. 76
    • Edelweiss - Essex, p. 76
    • Ineffable, Chaffee - Tharkads, p. 78
    • Despiser - Essex, p. 79
    • Duncan Liao - Du Shi Wang, p. 83-84
    • Bismarck - Atreus, p. 85
    • Karka, Makara - Soyals, p. 85
    • Starlight Raider - Congress-D, p. 94
    • New Samarkand - Samarkand II, p. 94
    • Shōwakusei - Narukami II, p. 94
    • Duke Alexander, Sarah Davion - Davion II, p. 95
    • Marlette - Robinson, p. 96
    • Eos - Aegis, p. 96
    • Parin - Concordat, p. 101
  • JumpShips
    • Lucian Bell p. 18
    • Michael Rose - Monolith, p. 46
• Touring the Stars: McEvedy's Folly
  • Galapagos - "terraforming vessel"

Lance Packs

Box Set / Lance Pack
====================

COM-2D Commando
SDR-5V Spider      * Recon
JR7-D Jenner       * Pursuit
PNT-9R Panther     * Striker
ASN-21 Assassin
CDA-2A Cicada      * Recon
CLNT-2-3T Clint    * Pursuit
HER-2S Hermes II
WTH-1 Whitworth
VND-1R Vindicator  * Support
ENF-4R Enforcer
HBK-4G Hunchback
TBT-5N Trebuchet   * Fire
DV-6M Dervish      * Fire
DRG-1N Dragon      * Striker
QKD-4G Quickdraw   * Striker
CPLT-C1 Catapult   * Command
JM6-S JagerMech
GHR-5H Grasshopper * Assault
AWS-8Q Awesome     * Support
ZEU-6S Zeus        * Battle
CP-10-Z Cyclops    * Command
BNC-3E Banshee     * Battle
AS7-D Atlas        * Assault

Lance Pack Only
===============

Blackjack          * Assault
Victor             * Assault
Centurion          * Pursuit
Wolfhound          * Pursuit
Charger            * Support
Firestarter        * Support
Hatchetman         * Battle
Orion              * Battle
Flea               * Recon
Vulcan             * Recon
Cataphract         * Command
Raven              * Command
Shogun             * Fire
Stalker            * Fire
Guillotine         * Striker

Box Set Only
============

Commando
Assassin
Hermes II
Whitworth
Enforcer
Hunchback
JagerMech

"Type" in WarShip Article Infoboxes

Hi BM, I noticed that you put "battlecruiser", "destroyer" and the like into the Type field of the WarShip infobox in your recent articles. While not technically wrong, it still surprised me as we previously simply put "WarShip" there (which is the type opposing JumpShips, DropShips, Small Craft and Space Stations). Given how arbitrary the WarShip classifications are to begin with, I feel a bit uncomfortable with using them in the infobox.

Also, I think you're working from an outdated template article that doesn't have the infoboxes' "servicesince" & "serviceuntil" fields. Whenever a ship is mentioned to have been destroyed or scuttled, feel free to use the "serviceuntil" field in the infobox to indicate when it was put out of service one way or another. Frabby (talk) 12:15, 24 January 2018 (EST)

Hi Frabby,

This is me making a mistake while tired, I'm afraid. I went on a fairly rambling update cycle after checking the update needed tags, seeing that the Atreus-class battleship article had a notice, and starting to work on the individual WarShips. One of them didn't have a class named, and at some point between that article and the next, when I was adding each new one I started changing WarShip to the class type.

You're right about the template being outdated - I grabbed it from an existing article, and didn't spot just how out of date it was. I think I've fixed all the articles I'd written, though. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:53, 25 January 2018 (EST)

Vandal Cop Reloaded

BrokenMnemonic, I see that you've taken some serious steps in the past day and week to handle spambots. Thanks! Please add this to your awards board.--Mbear^(talk) 06:45, 6 February 2018 (EST)

Thank you - sorry I didn't reply earlier, but I've been ill for the last week or so. Frabby's doing most of the heavy lifting on spammers these days, but there seem to be a few hours in the morning most days where I'm the only mod around and the spammers decide to try and be cheeky... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:04, 12 February 2018 (EST)

30K

Hi, I just noticed you hit the 30,000 edits mark. If that doesn't deserve a then I'm not sure what does. Only a few more to catch Doneve - Dark Jaguar (talk) 14:47, 30 March 2018 (EDT) I'm not sure anyone will ever catch up with Doneve, but I'm cool with that Thank you for the award - I seem to have slowed down since my job changed in April, but I plan to keep plugging away. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 16:12, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Civil War

Archer      - 2458 / 2474
Banshee     - 2445
Battleaxe   - 2459
Bellerophon - 2442
Commando    - 2486
Crossbow    - 2468 / 2481
Dervish     - 2520
Firebee     - 2483
Flea        - 2475
Gladiator   - 2468 / 2495
Griffin     - 2492
Guillotine  - 2499
Hammerhands - 2475
Hector      - 2460
Icarus II   - 2518
Koschei     - 2504
Kyudo       - 2443
Locust      - 2499
Longbow     - 2480
Mackie      - 2439
Orion       - 2456
Ostroc      - 2511
Ostwar      - 2470 / 2500
Phoenix     - 2474 / 2520
Swordsman   - 2463
Talos       - 2532
Thorn       - 2490
Thunderbolt - 2491
Von Rohrs   - 2487
Warhammer   - 2515
Wasp        - 2464
Ymir        - 2462

OHU

Okay, I give up. What does OHU stand for? Frabby (talk) 08:20, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

It's an abbreviation of "Owner history update" because I got tired of writing that for dozens of entries in a row. I'm alternating chuntering through doing complete article updates and updating the owner histories to reflect the maps in First Succession War and Second Succession War to make doing the full article updates a little faster. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 08:46, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

Abuse Filter

Thank you much, especially with adding URLs. I was hoping someone would figure it out too, but I knew any directions I wrote would probably just complicate it. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 11:48, 21 May 2018 (EDT)

I had no idea the filters existed, but now I know they do, I'll try and keep updating them when I end up deleting spammers - I doubt we'll ever get ahead of the majority of them, but it seems a worthy fight! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 02:39, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

I've written Nic, asking him to check on the external links to new user pages (filter #3), as it does not appear to be working (only hit was an internal link). If we get that working, we'll be golden (for a while), as all spam getting thru the last few days has been on those pages.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 07:50, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Off-site

BM, as of this Wednesday, I'll be unavailable until the 8th of June (at least). Would you stay on top of filter #18? Also of note: when you're in the Abuse Log, clicking on an entry's "details" and scrolling to the bottom will provide you the perp's IP address, even if it's already been merged with Anonymous. That'll be a great way to block the IP, rather than just the throwaway account.

As an aside: I've reached out to Nic to talk to him about the filters, but don't know if that will happen before I travel.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:46, 29 May 2018 (EDT)

Hi Rev,

I'll do my best - the convention I help run each year is in two weeks time though, so I'm not going to be online as much as I'd hope (and haven't been on Sarna as much over the last couple of weeks as I should've been) so I'll not be as on-top of things as I'd like. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 02:38, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

Understood; no problem. I'm sure Frabby will nuke 'em from orbit. Enjoy all the macrame artists!!--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:14, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

Front page news

Hey BM, last month I gave Frabby a poke about updating the front page with news of the new releases and you ebded up doing it, so you fancy doing the same again?--Dmon (talk) 03:41, 12 September 2018 (EDT)

Happy to! It might take me a little while as work's manic at the moment, but I'll get it done soonest. I also want to work up a Spotlight On series page, in the same fashion as the Touring the Stars page... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 04:09, 12 September 2018 (EDT)

Could You do the honors for us please regarding Spotlight On: Unending Faith and Touring the Stars: Regis Roost --Dmon (talk) 04:46, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

Done and done. As we've got a dozen or so digital releases due between now and Christmas, I might simply add new ones to the most recent announcement, to avoid turning the page over too quickly...

That makes sense, as new products become a regular thing again maybe something like a monthly combined New Release / Moratorium expiration post might be worth while.--Dmon (talk) 06:10, 29 October 2018 (EDT)

Draft Request: Union of Samoyedic Colonies

BLUF: Could I get you to start an article for the Union of Samoyedic Colonies?

Operation Doneve is progressing nicely. We should have only one more system audit to run, to ensure all relevant articles have been identified and have the requisite templates in place for the various scripts to recognize and update. One item stands out: the Union of Samoyedic Colonies, which does not yet exist. The project is not hindered by the lack of the article, but it is a line of unfinished business, as we proceed into the development phases. I'm afraid it will drop off the radar completely, if left to me.

Would you be willing to take an opening crack at it? The issue is that there is so much information on the Union (Interstellar Players 3, pp. 50, 54-58), that I cannot take the time out of other areas of focus to give it a good first draft. I could easily create a nearly empty template of a page, with the coordinates (-896.324, 34.810), but that's just too much of a stub for something that deserves a better first look for any reader visiting the page.

If now's not the right time, please let me know. I also apologize for putting you on the spot; this isn't how wiki collaborations are supposed to work.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 11:23, 17 September 2018 (EDT)

Yo da man, BrokenMnemonic. Thanks a bunch! That is an informative article.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 06:21, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

No problem - most of the people in my area are away at an industry event, so I managed to grab a couple of quiet hours to work on Sarna. I added two other new planet articles as well, but I didn't have time to write up an article on the Union as a faction, unfortunately. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 16:30, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

Getting paid to Sarna; you're living the dream, mate.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:59, 18 September 2018 (EDT)

Award

Hey BM, just want to express am appreciation for the huge amount of dog work you do around here. Specifically all your recent work sorting out all the images. --Dmon (talk) 05:27, 19 October 2018 (EDT)

Thank you I'm heading into a slower month in November, while I work on NaNoWriMo, but I'm determined to get the uncategorised images down to below a thousand, and to get the uncategorised pages down to soemthing resembling a sensible number. I may regret those decisions in the future, obviously... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 08:20, 27 October 2018 (EDT)

Categories for transcripts

Umm. I don't quite understand why we've installed transcript categories for individual games, given that these "categories" are really finite lists with a defined content that's not going to change? Category talk:Media Transcripts#Why Categories? Frabby (talk) 06:38, 24 November 2018 (EST)

Two main reasons; first, it helps people browsing find them quickly and easily by going through the categories, and because it takes them out of the massive morass of thousands of files that currently sit in the "pages with no category" category. Someone who finds one of the pages or looks them up can use the category to easily navigate to all of the other transcripts, if they're so inclined. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 13:45, 24 November 2018 (EST)

OD

BrokenMnemonic, do you have access to the OD forum?--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 10:37, 8 February 2019 (EST)

Adding Image Summary Templates

Hi BrokenMnemonic, I am adding Template:Image_summary to all images that I can in accordance with Policy:Images, and any help is appreciated. Since you've been adding categories to a lot of the CCG images, could I ask you to add the template as well? If you add it and the information is unknown, leave the line blank. The image then shows up in the Images Missing Copyright Information category and someone else may be able to add the info. If the image does not have the template, it will not appear in the category, and is more difficult to find. A blank template is better than no template, but obviously the more information you have time to add the better. Pserratv and I have been using the same basic format for the cards, just changing the Mech name, artist name (in the template and then the category), name of the card set, and (if appropriate) change BattleMech to OmniMech. File:Albatross_ALB-3U_CCG_Mercenaries.jpg or File:Daishi_S_(Dire_Wolf)_CCG_Arsenal.jpg. Thank you! --Cache (talk) 18:54, 19 March 2019 (EDT)

Star League commands order

Hi BrokenMnemonic,

I've seen that the Star League commands order is different from the rest. Units assigned in sub-level commands do appear also in the root (something that does not happen in other Military Commands Categories. Am I right if I consider this Category incorrectly done?

I also think there are categories missing that should help reorganize this a bit better? The level of sub commands can be huge, and I do not even know which is the best way to order them.

I tried to make this a general query, but have no idea on how to do it.--Pserratv (talk) 10:31, 18 July 2019 (EDT)

FWIW, I provided an answer on my talk page.--Mbear^(talk) 09:21, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

I'm sorry I wasn't around to answer this - I've not been able to log in much lately, unfortunately. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 16:10, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

Proposed Organization of the Star League Forces (final)

I've created and explained a proposal here: Category talk:Star League Defense Force Commands, could you review and share your insights?--Pserratv (talk) 08:55, 7 August 2019 (EDT)

Kickstarter, Event articles and Event category

Hi BM, let's continue our work on this over at my talk page. Frabby (talk) 08:20, 4 November 2019 (EST)

Jaqueline Tokawa

Just had a look at your Jaqueline Tokawa and want to present to you a good article award as a way to show my appreciation for this shining example of what a minor character article should be.

P.S. I have updated your awards board.--Dmon (talk) 05:19, 6 February 2020 (EST)

Thank you I've not had much free time for anything lately, but I discovered I have a copy of TRO:3058U in my email account at work, so I decided to see if I could do some small edits - don't tell my boss that, though... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:28, 7 February 2020 (EST)

Secret is safe with my --Dmon (talk) 06:08, 7 February 2020 (EST)

Double Redirects

Hi BrokenMnemonic, I've been working with the Special:DoubleRedirects to get rid of them. All the ones that are not user based are corrected. But there is one related to your user: User:BrokenMnemonic/Clan Invasion Kickstarter 2019 (edit) →‎ Clan Invasion Kickstarter 2019 →‎ 2019 Clan Invasion crowdfunding campaign

And I would never dare to change a personal page. Can you do it?--Pserratv (talk) 11:13, 11 March 2020 (EDT)

Sorted. This was the KS page getting moved around while User:Frabby and I wrangled over names BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:42, 11 March 2020 (EDT)

I imagined it was something like this. Thanks!--Pserratv (talk) 04:22, 12 March 2020 (EDT)

InfoBox update

Hey BM,

After our conversation a couple of weeks ago I have updated the Character infobox to include rank and title in order to add flexability. I have no intention of going through all the character articles to update them, but for the future if you could include the new box in newly created/updated aticles it would be good.--Dmon (talk) 08:12, 16 April 2020 (EDT)

Willdo, thank you. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 12:37, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Hey BM,

Saw your new Regulan Hussars articles and wanted to throw this your way.

Very early stages of rollout (Northwind Highlanders have been up as a test since July) but just as a heads up the that the House Command and Mercenary Command infoboxes are going to become obsolete soon and a combined Military Command infobox brought in. Due to the number of effected articles it should be implimented in a similar manner to the character infobox, i.e. on new articles and when an existing one is updated.--Dmon (talk) 16:12, 31 August 2020 (EDT)

Reference pagination

I've noticed some discrepancies between page numbers cited in some articles and those in my copies of books. The clearest example I've found is in the references of Lee Shore, which lists both page and chapter numbers. My copy of The Hunters (which reads "First Printing, December 1997" on the copyright page) doesn't agree with those page numbers. For example, notes 2 and 3 give references within Chapter 22 at pages 191 and 199, but in my copy of the novel Chapter 22 begins on page 210. The other citations are similarly different from what I have.

I've encountered several such discrepancies, and I'm starting to suspect that maybe we're running into different editions that have different pagination. I'd like to see if I can get to the bottom of it. The article history indicates that you were the editor who contributed the references. Would you be able to check the page numbers and edition of your copy of The Hunters to see if we can account for the differences? Tosta Dojen (talk) 14:40, 17 August 2020 (EDT)

Ah, I know what'll be causing that - I'm working from an ebook copy I bought during the period where the books were semi-available from Catalyst but had disclaimers about possibly not being the final print-ready versions. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:38, 19 August 2020 (EDT)

Thanks for checking; I figured it was something like that. I've been thinking about what to do about this kind of discrepancy. The print novel is the most canonical source, but using those page numbers still results in issues for readers and editors who have electronic copies of the novels. (And possibly also those who have print copies translated to another language.)

Maybe the best thing is to avoid page numbers when citing novels, in favor of chapter citations. Most of the citations I've added reference chapters—not because I anticipated this issue, but simply because that's how the articles were already structured when I got there. That should avoid the discrepancies while still providing a reasonably-specific reference for verification. Tosta Dojen (talk) 11:41, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

Yeah I started using Chapter instead of page when I realised that the default setting on my tablet uses quite a large size and the books where running into 500ish pages and I had no real way to check them.--Dmon (talk) 13:52, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

On the flipside most/all ebook versions have a search function so I would like to think we can scrape by on chapter even if it is not as accurate as is the norm on wikis.--Dmon (talk) 13:57, 27 August 2020 (EDT)

This is an old problem going back to the BattleCorps re-releases of the classic novels in a totally different format. We don't have a Sarna policy on this, but the default approach was to use the first print edition as the lead product. Since this may be accurate but ultimately is not very helpful for actually finding the quote when the first print edition of the book in question is hard to come by (hello The Sword and the Dagger), I've often referred to chapters, too. Remember the purpose of quoting a reference: People should be able to look it up themselves and confirm it, and for this they need to find the quote. Frabby (talk) 07:13, 28 August 2020 (EDT)

I've been quoting both page and chapter for a while in references (although a while is subjective, given how long I've been on the site and when I started editing...) on the principle that regardless of the changes in pagination that portable media devices can make, the chapters are discrete blocks of text that are immediately identifiable, and most BattleTech books don't seem to have chapters that are particularly long, making skimming through for a bit of text relatively painless... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 06:55, 30 August 2020 (EDT)

InfoBoxStateUnit —> InfoBoxMilitaryCommand

Reminder: InfoBoxStateUnit is deprecated. We're transitioning to InfoBoxMilitaryCommand instead. :) Frabby (talk) 00:36, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

Wynn's Roost

Hey BM,

Your Wynn's Roost rework has got to be the one of the best planet articles on the wiki now. Well done! I have done two small changes, I have changed the section heads to use two equals symbols instead of one (as is the norm across the rest of the wiki) and I have moved the affiliation section back up to the system section as I can't find any systems where two planets where considered to be of different factions so I am working to eliminate the second (usually blank) affiliation section most planet articles have. Hope you don't mind.--Dmon (talk) 18:21, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

Hi Dmon,

The format I used in the Wynn's Roost article is the one that I set up as the agreed template for the planets article as part of the Planets Project - you can see it in place in loads of other articles - look at Benet, for example. I updated literally hundreds of articles manually to use it, after it was agreed as the standard - the single-level indentation for system and planet names is intentional, so that articles like the multi-planet Niops system can merge into one article. The distinct political affiliation sections in system history and planet history were the result of a compromise with Frabby, because while we're using system articles rather than planet articles, almost all of the affiliation information we have is based on the planets, not the systems, and we needed a mechanism to allow for when one power theoretically controlled a system but didn't occupy the planet itself. By default, the political affiliation in the system section is used when we have no definitive information on planets, and the political affiliation section is used where we actually have information on the planets themselves. Checking Category:PPO Phase 5 thee are over 1,200 planet articles using the updated format. Has the planets project decided to change the article format again? Only I've literally spent years updating articles to what was the agreed format. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:16, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

I went back to check, and a lot of the discussion is here: BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul and in the associated talk page, and you can see the agreed template linked at the bottom of that page, or go to it directly here: BattleTechWiki:Project_Planets/Planet_Overhaul/C&P_Template BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:22, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

Ah, I shall have to give it a read. The PPO stuff has that many pages I have literally no idea of what the standards are. I can confirm that you do not have 1200 articles at phase 5 because I have updated at least 1100 of our 3300ish articles to benefit from specific planet designations.--Dmon (talk) 04:01, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

Having actually skimmed the discussion most of the people who participated are not very active on the wiki anymore and having found the standards for the various phases, I think I have roughly brought most of the planets up to something similar to being Phase 5 over the last 3 years.--Dmon (talk) 04:18, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

The phases became a little redundant, even after the last revision, because of the switch to Nic generating the system tables automagically - one of the reasons I lost steam is because of the amount of time it took to manually generate and populate the nearby systems tables. Everything that's listed in the PPO Phase 5 category definitely has the latest template incorporated into each article though, and as good practise I left the unused sections in each article I updated, commented out so that if information became available, people who weren't familiar with the layout could see where information was supposed to go. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 08:08, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

Thank you

Hey BM,

Thank you for creating the BattleTech Salvage Box article, I was putting it off until last because I was not sure how I wanted handle it. You stepped up and created a nice simple good looking solution saving me the hassle. Have an all purpose award as a thank you.

I shall update your awards board as well. --Dmon (talk) 09:48, 8 November 2020 (EST)

Hi Dmon,

Thank you - seeing your UrbanMech salvage box article actually prompted me to hurry up and do something about a problem with theproduct codes of the articles I'd written on the dice and challenge coins, so it sounds like I helped us both out! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 13:01, 8 November 2020 (EST)

All about Synergy!--Dmon (talk) 13:51, 8 November 2020 (EST)

Now we just need everyone who received one of these uniquely-coded items to go in and add the details to the pages for badges/dice/coins/et al... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 14:23, 8 November 2020 (EST)

I have found the best way to get info out of the wider BT community is simply ask for it.--Dmon (talk) 14:32, 8 November 2020 (EST)

Did you back the KS, btw? I backed at Star Colonel, and while trying to reconcile the Pledge Manager against the KS campaign page, I've noticed that I can't find what's listed in the pledges from Star Captain up as "MechWarrior Pilots III" anywhere. I'm guessing it will ship as MechWarrior Card Pack III, because MechWarrior Pilots I & II have become MechWarrior Card Packs I & II (with individual product numbers) but I'm a little disconcerted I can't see pack III anywhere in the Pledge Manager. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:06, 8 November 2020 (EST)

I did, only at Star Commander level with a load of digital add-ons though as I do not have an active player group, so I went for maximum lore over physical product. I have had similar issues concerning the Card Packs, I was looking last night in fact. I have messaged the KS page so if they get back to me I will let you know.--Dmon (talk) 15:18, 8 November 2020 (EST)

A number of items have changed name between what was announced on the KS page, and what's in the pledge manager/my packing crate, which is confusing things a bit. I also have an outstanding email with the pledge manager thing over the fact that I ordered a digital copy of TRO 3067, and received a discount code that a) doesn't work in the CGL shop and b) looks like it might actually be for TRO: 3075... BrokenMnemonic (talk) 15:24, 8 November 2020 (EST)

We already have a legendary MP article! BattleTech: Legendary MechWarriors--Dmon (talk) 17:20, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Ah. I'm working my way down the Kickstarter page here, and it was a redlink there, so I presumed the article hadn't been written. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:34, 11 November 2020 (EST)

Image Categories

Hi BrokenMnemonic,

Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the Uncategorized files not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--Pserratv (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2021 (EST)

MapPack Duplicate

Hi,

It looks to me like we have a duplicate pages for MapPack Grasslands - Map Pack: Grasslands and Map Pack: Grasslands. Since you created one, could I get your confirmation we both think these are about the same product before I merge them? Thanks. HF22 (talk) 19:41, 11 September 2021 (EDT)

Davion II Sources?

Hey, do you know of any other sources on the Davion II (WarShip class)? It's running reference-lite.--Talvin (talk) 13:25, 16 March 2022 (EDT)

I'll have a rummage around tonight. It needs the citations added to the article from the TRO, if nothing else! BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:38, 17 March 2022 (EDT)

Off topic, hope you don't mind

This is not BattleTech, but I think it is very much you: go to Amazon and search for "Spacecraft of the First World War: A Compendium of Fighting Vessels of the Great Powers" by William Flogg (Author), Michael Doscher (Author), Soloman Penn (Editor). Apologies if I am wrong, but it's a type of nerdery I think we share. :) --Talvin (talk) 22:02, 29 April 2022 (EDT)