User talk:Nuclear-Fridge

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Welcome[edit]

Welcome to Sarna! Your copyedits are highly appreciated, it's a task that cannot always be gotten to. But I can't call it a thankless job, as I'm very much thanking you right now. --Rebs (talk) 06:52, 23 April 2013 (PDT)

Following on from Rebs comment above, I think you've made a good start on a never-ending task here. It's great to see someone working to improve the standard of the existing material here, and I think that's well worth giving you your first Casual Edit Award: Casual Edit Award, 1st ribbon - we'll need a mod or admin person to set up the awards board on your user profile, but as soon as they do, you'll have your first award ready to go on it. Welcome to Sarna, and keep up the good work! Smiley.gifBrokenMnemonic (talk) 09:38, 25 April 2013 (PDT)

Thank you for the warm welcome! This is the first time I've tried to contribute to a wiki, so I'm going slowly as I (try) to pick up on the skills needed. For instance, I've been looking at introducing myself, but I just can't figure out what to do... Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 02:48, 27 April 2013 (PDT)

Then let me suggest BattleTechWiki:New user log to you. You won't get a response there but we do read them. Welcome!--Revanche (talk|contribs) 04:43, 27 April 2013 (PDT)
No go. I've tried to follow the instructions and post an intro... and exactly nothing happens. It's driving me crazy... Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 07:35, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
Yet you can post here, which suggests you're blocked. But I've checked and you are not. Is that the only place you cannot edit?--Revanche (talk|contribs) 16:35, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
That is the only place I can't edit: the Introductions. The problem might be at my end -- at the moment, I'm limited to a library-access computer for Internet, and it has given me a few headaches regarding other sites I frequent...Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 02:12, 5 June 2013 (PDT)


- And don't forget to keep an eye on your edit count, which you can find in the user score page via the special pages link at the bottom of the tool bar on the left. Based on the way you're editing up a storm, when the edit count updates (which it does at some point every Sunday morning, UK time) you'll be over 100 edits, and eligible for your first edit award ribbon. We'll have that awards board filling up before you know it! Smiley.gif BrokenMnemonic (talk) 00:18, 2 May 2013 (PDT)


Just wanted to join the others in welcoming you to Sarna! I should warn you that starting with small copyedits like you're doing often leads to a more serious problem: Writing articles and contributing more information to existing ones. So don't be surprised if you develop a habit. --Mbear(talk) 07:53, 2 May 2013 (PDT)
Huh. I think your warning's a little bit late, Mbear. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 01:37, 3 May 2013 (PDT)

I like your name. It amused me when I saw it on my Watchlist. Welcome to Sarna. By the way, this is the first (and still only) wiki I've tried to edit as well. Good place to get started. GOLFisNOTaSPORT (talk) 10:52, 3 May 2013 (PDT)

I tried to think of some sort of absurd, unlikely piece of technology a supervillain might have in his volcano base... and the idea of a 'nuclear fridge', where he stores his glowing green beer came to mind...Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 01:48, 4 May 2013 (PDT)
Then it's obvious you've come to the absolutely right place. I've edited elsewhere, but this is the only place I really enjoy contributing to. There's still so many meaningful subjects that require articles. I'm on a mini-break, but I watch the pages go by and read them all. Your work makes that much more fun to do. --Rebs (talk) 12:46, 5 May 2013 (PDT)
Oh. And here I was assuming the handle had something to do with that unspeakable Indiana Jones IV movie... Frabby (talk) 04:59, 23 May 2013 (PDT)
You mean Indiana Jones and the Temple of the Curse of the Reanimated, Rotting Corpse of the Franchise: This Time It's Aliens, and We've thrown an H-Bomb in too? Nah. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 03:45, 24 May 2013 (PDT)

Edit Count Awards[edit]

Based on this morning's update, you're powering your way through the Edit Count Award ribbons - you've skipped straight over the 100 award and hit the 200 award: Edit Count (200) - congratulations! Keep an eye on the awards, at this rate you're going to be racking them up fast. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:53, 5 May 2013 (PDT)

Wow - I didn't realise I'd made so many edits! I've been thinking about writing a few articles from the old BattleTechnology magazines, things like the 'David Ambush', but it's going to wait until I'm confident I can insert references and links properly...Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 04:14, 7 May 2013 (PDT)

You rock![edit]

Dude! You've signed up only recently, and you're doing a lot of thankless copyediting work. It's work like yours that gives Sarna its polish, yet isn't usually rewarded with much appreciation or fanfare. Have an award! All Purpose Award, 1st ribbon Frabby (talk) 04:58, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

Thank you, Frabby! I've got to say that I like Sarna.net a lot, and it's answering a lot of questions for me about the Battletech 'verse... I just can't help but shake my head and start editing. That's just me, though. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 03:40, 24 May 2013 (PDT)

Wikilinks[edit]

I just wanted to drop you a note based on the edits you made to the Bad Dream mercenary unit. I noticed that you turned each instance of the planet Kendall into a wikilink - something that Frabby pointed out to me when I first started is that where a subject comes up several times in an article, the convention is to only turn the first instance of that subject into a wikilink. I bend that slightly myself - I'll often use a wikilink in the main text as well as a single instance in an infobox because of the way I think people read the articles. I thought I should mention it though, to save you spending time adding multiple iterations of the same link to articles. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:05, 14 June 2013 (PDT)

Oops. That's what I get for not checking how my edits look using the 'preview'. My bad! Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 05:07, 14 June 2013 (PDT)
No harm, no foul Smiley.gif At the rate you're working, you'll have outstripped me in eight or nine months and will be chasing Doneve in terms of raw edit count, so it's not as if you're doing bad work. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 05:12, 14 June 2013 (PDT)
Thanks for the kind words. I know that I'm lacking a massive pile of the most recent sourcebooks - the last one I bought was Shattered Sphere, I think - but I'm just a bit annoyed at the poor quality of some of the entries here on Sarna. OK, I'm not going to point fingers - I have some manners - it simply gets on my nerves, is all. Then I get started correcting stuff, and get carried away... Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 05:18, 14 June 2013 (PDT)

Formating[edit]

Hy, i notice you change Vinson's Vigilantes to Vinson`s Vigilantes please stop, we use via policy ['], thanks.--Doneve (talk) 08:21, 5 July 2013 (PDT)

Sorry, I'll stop as of today. Thanks for the heads-up. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 08:22, 5 July 2013 (PDT)

General Editing[edit]

Hi Nuclear-Fridge,
I'd like to give you an award for the consistently good work you're doing with the general editing you're doing. You're definitely one of us - don't worry, the implant doesn't sting too badly once the back of your skull heals up! Wink.gif
Random Act of Appreciation Award, 1st ribbon
BrokenMnemonic (talk) 14:36, 27 August 2013 (PDT)

Thank you! As long as I don't get any weird transmissions through the - destroy them all in the name of Blessed Blake!! - device, I'll be fine. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 04:33, 29 August 2013 (PDT)
Thanks so much for fixing some grammers and spellings, but when you correct some mistakes can you remove the cleanup template, cheers.--Doneve (talk) 05:45, 13 November 2013 (PST)
I'd be happy to do so - if I could figure out how to! Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 06:01, 13 November 2013 (PST)
You go to the top of the page and remove it, very simple, oh and your question on my talk page i respont it later, i must go to work.--Doneve (talk) 06:05, 13 November 2013 (PST)
Okay, thanks for the information. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 06:06, 13 November 2013 (PST)
Your question about the Old Jade Falcon references, be bold and stard with the write up.--Doneve (talk) 10:17, 13 November 2013 (PST)
Okay, thanks. I'll be posting a couple of the Battle for Twycross Falcon Guards officers first... Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 04:50, 14 November 2013 (PST)

Verthandi landmarks[edit]

While I appreciate the content you're adding, I suggest putting it all into the Verthandi article. Except for a few isolated cases where a landmark/village/whatever on a planet is so important to BattleTech as to warrant its own article, general policy (although admittedly not an official one) on BTW is to describe known settlements, landmarks etc. in the respective world article and possibly install a redirect. Look at it this way: If I was a writer going to write something set on Verthandi, I would want all information on one page, not spread out over several small articles. Frabby (talk) 02:48, 5 September 2013 (PDT)

  • Okay, I'll take that on board. From now on, I'll post them in "Verthandi". I can certainly see the logic. I assume that a 'landmarks' block within a world article would follow an alphabetical format?Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 02:52, 5 September 2013 (PDT)


Opinion sought[edit]

Hello, Nuclear-Fridge. Can you pop over to here? I'm trying get official opinion of this. Thanks -- Wrangler (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2013 (PST)

Thank You[edit]

Thanks for the Founder's Award! I wasn't expecting it! Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 02:34, 3 March 2014 (PST)

Things to Work On[edit]

The things I would say to work on would be the main pages people go to, or in other words the articles with the most views. If not these, you could go through the pages at the top of my talk page or even go through all the articles with {cleanup} tags on them. Either way, there's tons of options. For the sake of the wiki, I personally would go through the pages with the highest traffic. -BobTheZombie (talk) 10:29, 18 March 2014 (PDT)

Okay, I'll start with some of the stuff on your talk page and see what I can do... Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 07:57, 20 March 2014 (PDT)
Feel free to put down on there where you've gotten or if you've finished ones so that I can take it off the page. I'll look into them more in-depth later today. -BobTheZombie (talk) 10:08, 20 March 2014 (PDT)
Will do! Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 07:48, 24 March 2014 (PDT)

Casual Edit Award: Spidermech[edit]

Casual Edit Award, 2nd ribbonI'm happy to see how you whipped the Spidermech article into shape between the three of you. This particular article has been a thorn in my side for some time because I knew it needed a serious rework but I knew nothing about the subject matter myself. So, for getting this out of my head, I'm giving each of you a Casual Edit Award (2nd ribbon). Thanks! Frabby (talk) 01:47, 21 March 2014 (PDT)

You're welcome! And thank you for the ribbon. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 07:48, 24 March 2014 (PDT)

BattleTechnology Short Stories Query[edit]

I'm thinking about tackling the old fiction pieces from BattleTechnology - things like "Howl of the North Wind" - is there anything I need to be aware of, like adding in the Apocryphal Content tag? Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 05:40, 28 April 2014 (PDT)

Very happy to see you doing this - it's been on my to-do list for years, but waaay down. :) Like you said, the articles need to have the apocryphal tag installed. Also, don't use the Product infobox; for short stories embedded in another product there is the Template:InfoBoxStory that you should use. Beyond that, and judging from what I see at Howl of the North Wind, you're doing fine. Frabby (talk) 02:54, 29 April 2014 (PDT)
Okay, thanks for the feedback! :) My first try at doing a fiction/summary piece, so I'll be revisiting it to tidy it up. Practice makes perfect... Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 02:59, 29 April 2014 (PDT)
Yeah, I also went over the article and we had an editing conflict. But now it should give you a good template to do other, similar articles. Frabby (talk) 03:04, 29 April 2014 (PDT)
Thanks. By the way, regarding minor characters who only ever appear in these kind of articles - like Major Fraser - do they count as "Apocryphal" as well? Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 03:09, 29 April 2014 (PDT)
Yes. Apocryphal is a question of canonicity, not of notability. If any other (canonical) source should ever have mentioned Major Fraser then he'd be fully canonical for that, but his BattleTechnology appearance would still remain apocryphal. (Much like the appearances of Hanse Davion, Max Liao et al in BattleTechnology.) As an example for a barely noteworthy person, there's one MechWarrior Anita Chu Lai from the Waco Rangers. She is mentioned by name in the canonical Snord's Irregulars sourcebook, but she's also apocryphally mentioned in the apocryphal computer game, MechWarrior I where she is a possible recruit for the Blazing Aces. Frabby (talk) 04:17, 29 April 2014 (PDT)
Ha! I remember hiring Anita Chu Lai when I played MechWarrior I. Thanks for the quick reply; I'll keep the Apocryphal status in mind for characters in these stories. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 04:20, 30 April 2014 (PDT)

Another thing regarding the short stories that I just noticed: "The David Ambush" has been deleted. I know it was one of my very first submissions, but was it really that bad it had to go? Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 02:20, 7 May 2014 (PDT)

Don't know nothing about that. Checking The David Ambush, it seems there wasn't even an article going by that name on Sarna. If there had been one that was since deleted then the system would point that out when trying to recreate the article. A misspelling, perhaps? Frabby (talk) 02:34, 7 May 2014 (PDT)
Whoops! All my mistake, I'm sorry to say. I typed up The David Ambush at the same time I typed up David Fletcher, the principal character of the story, and I was certain I had submitted both articles... except I hadn't. I'll rewrite the story and post it properly in the next few days. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 07:21, 8 May 2014 (PDT)

I've got another BattleTechnology short story ready to post - "A Dagger's Death" - but I need some advice, about the Featured 'Mechs section. The story mentions a lot of different 'Mech types in passing - 16 or 17, all told, but the main action focuses only on three machines. Should I just list all the 'Mechs that are name-checked, or go with the three 'Mechs? Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 08:02, 8 May 2014 (PDT)

I haven't been consistent in that respect in my own articles about BT fiction, instead deciding on a case-by-case basis. Units that don't actually feature in a story could be marked by putting "(mentioned)" after their designation in the list. I've occasionally omitted them entirely in some cases, like where they weren't actually featured but only used for comparison (e.g. "heavy like an Atlas"). And then there's the gut-feeling-level question of notability. If it seems somehow notable that a given 'Mech is mentioned even if it isn't actually featured in the story - for example because its mentioning is a continuity error, or the earliest mentioning of this 'Mech in fiction, or if it is an unusual, apocryphal or otherwise notable 'Mech - then the impetus to include it in the article is obviously a bit larger. Um. Was that helpful at all? Frabby (talk) 09:04, 8 May 2014 (PDT)
A little bit... The thing with "A Dagger's Death" is that the narrator mentions trying to repair 'Mechs, or speaks of seeing enemy machines in the battle only once. The story itself centers on the three machines that beat the snot out of each other (Griffin, Marauder, Thunderbolt). All the other designs are there as window-dressing for the dueling trio. I'm going to have to think on this one. Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 06:19, 9 May 2014 (PDT)

Email[edit]

I send you a email, take a look if it works.--Doneve (talk) 04:05, 6 March 2015 (PST)

I'll give it a try in the next day or two - the library computer I'm using right now is blocking my access...Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 07:55, 10 March 2015 (PDT)

Thanks for the Copyedits[edit]

Hey - Thank you for copyediting my Battle of Harrow's Sun article. I'm trying to restart the tradition of giving awards to each other. Have a Casual Edit Award, 3rd ribbon on me. ClanWolverine101 (talk) 05:42, 31 March 2015 (PDT)

You're welcome, as always. Until I tried writing a few articles to add to the wiki myself, I didn't really understand the amount of work involved. Mistakes are bound to creep in, despite the writer's best efforts. I'm certainly not immune to them - but I really shouldn't try writing articles at 3 am in the morning!! Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 04:10, 1 April 2015 (PDT)

Combined Proofreading Efforts[edit]

I came up with an idea on WarDog Mike's user talk page to go through and proofread/reformat the most visited pages, because they should be at the top of our priorities (mostly because they're the first impression people get of Sarna), but some of them are pretty shabby. I know you guys (and myself included) like to float around proofreading whatever page you stumble upon instead of being told which ones to do, but I think that you, me and the other active proofreaders need to go through this list and make sure that these pages are up to par on grammar, formatting, linkage, and all that jazz. I don't know what you are busy with project-wise or how much free time you have, but it's an idea. What do you think? -BobTheZombie (talk) 14:00, 30 November 2015 (PST)

Sounds like a good idea. I'm game for it, since I (hopefully) will have some more free time coming up in the new year.Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 04:12, 4 December 2015 (PST)
Sorry for my delay in getting back to you guys on this idea; I started a page here. Let's get started! -BobTheZombie (talk) 17:49, 28 December 2015 (PST)

Award[edit]

Thanks for the copy edits on some of the Escorpión Imperio units I've been working on recently. Silly little mistake always creep through proof reading, so to say thanks for catching them here is this award. Casual Edit Award, 4th ribbon If you have a spare minute I'd be grateful if you would look over the others as I'm updating their entire military. Dark Jaguar (talk) 08:41, 16 May 2016 (PDT)

Will do. I'm certainly not immune to making mistakes myself! Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 02:43, 18 May 2016 (PDT)

Ian Fraser - Missing in Action?[edit]

I just noticed that the "Ian Fraser" article I contributed is no longer up on the site. Was it really that dreadful to read? Or am I just over-reacting? Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 02:47, 29 June 2016 (PDT)

Very curious, please talk to an admin, he can help you.--Doneve (talk) 03:59, 29 June 2016 (PDT)
Are you sure that that's how it was spelled? I went to the redlink for that spelling and, normally, when it has been deleted before, it warns you that you are creating a page that has been deleted before, but in this case I don't see that. I also checked Archive.org and didn't see any saves of the page (though that alone doesn't rule it out). -BobTheZombie (talk) 06:24, 29 June 2016 (PDT)
When did you post it? Looking at your last 1000 contributions (over a year) I don't see it listed. Dark Jaguar (talk) 09:37, 29 June 2016 (PDT)
If it was deleted it wouldn't be showing up in their contributions anyway... I'm really stumped on this one. Unless we hear back from him I just don't know what to think. -BobTheZombie (talk) 11:08, 29 June 2016 (PDT)
What Bob and DarkJaguar said. I combed the deletion log down to November 2013 with admin access and didn't find anything. I conclude the Ian Fraser article wasn't deleted but rather was in fact never created (saved) in the first place. Perhaps you are mixing this up with your articles on Howl of the North Wind, Fritz Voelker, Colin Campbell and Cassandra Sinclair? Frabby (talk) 15:35, 29 June 2016 (PDT)
Always a possibility, Frabby! I wrote a lot of my contributions up on a laptop that died back in February 2016, and I kept a list of what I'd posted to the boards on it. Naturally, I didn't make any back-up files before the laptop blew up on me, so I'm going on my not-so-perfect meat memory banks. Maybe the Manei Domini have got something with all their cyber-alterations...Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 03:11, 30 June 2016 (PDT)
Rest assured that the articles you do write are very unlikely to end up being deleted. ;) Frabby (talk) 04:21, 30 June 2016 (PDT)
Oh, that's too bad Nuclear-Fridge :\
P.S. "meat memory banks"... that's just golden ...
P.P.S. I read Frabby's reply as "are very likely to end up being deleted" and I just lost it Cheesy.gif -BobTheZombie (talk) 17:01, 30 June 2016 (PDT)
Oh dear, Bob... So did I... the "being deleted" bit...Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 03:33, 2 July 2016 (PDT)

Cue Insane Laughter[edit]

I did some digging around and found an old memory stick with the 'Ian Fraser' article on it! So brace yourselves, here he is...Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 03:33, 2 July 2016 (PDT)

Superscript for Military COmmands[edit]

Hi, I've undone some of your edits because superscript is not part of the style format for military commands. See the guide here Dark Jaguar (talk) 11:17, 27 September 2016 (PDT)

Okay, no problem. It just seemed to be one of those things that looked like it needed fixing... except it really didn't! Nuclear-Fridge (talk) 04:42, 30 September 2016 (PDT)