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== Hunan ==
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Feel free to leave a message. :)
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I'm glad that you found the wrong co-ordinates for Gotterdammerung. I was wondering if you could take a look in your atlas of the Inner Sphere for [[Hunan]]. It's placed on the map here to the northeast of New Avalon, but it's listed as being part of the Capellan confederation and as having been part of the Terran Hegemony. I think this must be wrong, but I have no way of checking it. If it's possible, could you take a look?
 
  
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Follow up: The co-ordinates are listed as: (X: 333.04 Y: 333.04)
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As of 07 Jan 2021, I archived all content on my talk page because I reckon there were no pending issues.
  
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Thanks, --[[User:Workerbee|Workerbee]] 09:41, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
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== The Nellus Academy Incident ==
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:It is located in the triangle formed by [[New Aragon]], [[St. Andre]] and [[Foochow]], fairly exactly "north" of [[Zaurak]] and [[Kaifeng]]. The Atlas gives the coordinates as X: 73,04 Y: 96,76
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Hi Frabby,<br>
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:Btw it is a known problem that the planet's X/Y coordinates are wrong. When the entries were auto-generated, the X-coordinate were erroneously put into both the X and Y slot. Nic is aware of this and it will hopefully be corrected in a future update. (See [[Category talk:Planets# Major Problem with Coords]]). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 13:10, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
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Have you read ''[[The Nellus Academy Incident]]''? I've just finished reading it, and there are a few details in it that are making the canon-processing part of my brain itch a little. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 16:49, 9 January 2021 (EST)
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:Read it via BattleCorps; I also have the PoD standing on my shelf. Was going to produce a proper article, but since it ultimately seems like a side story of little relevance it got pushed back. I think I know what itches your brain though. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:33, 10 January 2021 (EST)
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::I'm going to keep reading the author's books - it was a good YA SF read - but I singled out three things that felt anachronistic to me: sending messages to and from Nestor via the jump point of somewhere near Gienah without an HPG, the presence of a COM-2Dr ''Commando'' which is a Jihad-era refit according to TRO-3085 in a novel set in 3067 (with it being a well-known enough variant for FWL cadets to recognise) and the ending section where the four-hundred thousand tonne ''Monolith'' class JumpShip was accompanied by WarShips "more than twice its mass" which at the time, can only be the ''Fylgia'' and ''Yggdrasil'', which seemed a bit of a stretch... I'd been thinking of trying to write up the summary for the webpage, but I'm not sure how to reconcile novels being the highest level of canon with these odd details. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] ([[User talk:BrokenMnemonic|talk]]) 03:13, 10 January 2021 (EST)
  
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Thanks again. --[[User:Workerbee|Workerbee]] 15:24, 30 May 2008 (CDT)
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== Fortune Charlie ==
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::Wouldn't that be (73.04, '''-'''96.76?), as Hunan is "south" of Terra? Since you've become the planetary coordinate guru, would you be able to check and make sure that the [http://cf.sarna.net/data/planets/iscs/planall.zip master file] has as that data correct? I've already corrected Menkent, Blue Diamond, Gotterdammerung, and Hunan. Specifically, could you check out [[Sakhalin]], [[Scituate]], [[Cartago]], and [[Chamdo]]? Thanks! --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 17:42, 1 June 2008 (CDT)
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Hi Frabby, I have not re-read the books, but from what you say, I nevertheless thing temporarily we should keep the information there and link to Operation CERBERUS once done, otherwise this piece of lore would be easily forgotten (at least for me).--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 January 2021 (EST)
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:Cerberus and its sub-commands is covered in quite some depth in the novella ''[[A Splinter of Hope]]''. If and when I get around to doing an article on Cerberus, Task Force Styx and Fortune Charlie within it will likely feature rather prominently. But I firmly believe Fortune Charlie should only be a redirect to the proper operation that it was a small part of. Calling Fortune Charlie a unit is at least misleading if not outright false, and as such I felt I couldn't just leave it there. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 04:57, 13 January 2021 (EST)
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::I read it yesterday, and it is true what you say. As members of "Fortune Charlie", only one unit is spoken by name, the others are considered an assorted mix of units, like Jihad era conglomerate of small mercenary commands by Devlin Stone.
  
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Yes, you are absolutely right: Hunan is at Y -96.76, sorry! Regarding the others:
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::Once you have full article though, we should redirect this page to the section that specifically explains what "Fortune Charlie" represents.--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:22, 13 January 2021 (EST)
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*There are in fact two systems by the name of Sakhalin: One is a CapCon/Sarna Supremacy world at X: 62.33 Y: -142.92, the other a Lyran world at X: -24.25 Y: 153.09. The one on this wiki is the CapCon world, Sakhalin (LC) is missing as of yet. I had already noted it on the article some time ago (CC/SS world is spelled Sachalin in German material, but not in the original English sources).
 
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*Scituate has X: 88.67 Y: -221.94 in my Atlas. The wiki apparently used a positive Y coord, as it is erroneously shown at approximately the same altitude as Mannedorf (which is Y: 228.98).
 
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*Cartago placement seems to be correct (at X: 141.09 Y: -10.17)
 
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*Chamdo placement also seems to be correct (at X: 10.43 Y: -153.61); however, in the immediate vicinity [[Yunnah]] seems to be slightly misplaced. The correct coordinates for Yunnah are X: 27.67 Y: -124.13. It ''should'' be halfway between [[Corey]] and [[Second Try]] but here it is erroneously shown on the same altitude as [[Tsinghai]] and Chamdo, at Y: -153.61.
 
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Checking the big file? I am honored, but it is a daunting task. It will take time. (Add the fact that some names were actually ''translated'' into German, i.e. ''Second Try'' is named ''Zweitversuch'' (lit.: Second Try) in German. That one could be guessed, but it literally took me a year to figure that ''Rand'' is meant to be ''The Edge''...
 
  
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Oh, and then there is that issue with "missing planets". It grew to quite a collection on the CBT forum, and there are other cases. This wiki, for example, has [[Ferris]] (Outworld Alliance) but there seems to be another Ferris in the Oberon Confederation which as of yet is not mentioned here. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 18:17, 1 June 2008 (CDT)
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==Emblematic Mech==
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::The file does have Sakhalin (LC) at the correct coordinates. It has Scituate at 88.67,221.94 so that is incorrect. Yunnah is a tad off at 27.64,-154.13. Both have been corrected. It is daunting, I agree... but something does need to be done about the planets that are not represented, especially the planets of the Marian Hegemony and Circinus Federation. I also feel like Clan planets should be added, as well as those in the Deep Periphery, but that's a whole separate issue. --[[User:Scaletail|Scaletail]] 18:46, 1 June 2008 (CDT)
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Hello
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I finally take the time to write the [[Essay: Emblematic 'Mechs]] like you advise me to do almost a month ago (I had a lot of works before :(). I don't really feel like it's a true essay. I just extracted and centralized information dispersed in other articles, without putting thought or arguments. After, I have no idea if there is a better way to categorize it and you have far more knowledge on that than I. I would be very grateful if you can look at it and tell me what you think of it.
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[[User:Dermenore|Dermenore]] ([[User talk:Dermenore|talk]]) 16:48, 21 January 2021 (EST)
  
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== Coordinates ==
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==Images for individual starships==
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Hiya, I wanted to ask you to refrain from putting generic ship class images into articles about individual vessels, like in the ''[[Full Moon]]'' article. There is a less than 1% chance that this image is actually showing the ''Full Moon'' out of the 106 ''Potemkin''s ever built. Please only use images that are confirmed, or at least reasonably likely, to depict the specific vessel in question. I feel using generic images is like putting a regular ''Centurion'' image into the infobox of the ''Yen-Lo-Wang'' article just because ''Yen-Lo-Wang'' is a ''Centurion''. If there is no picture for a specific starship then so be it. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 15:07, 31 January 2021 (EST)
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::Frappy, do you know the long ODDS of individual Warship picture to be created? Likelness is 1% it will ever be made. That's crazy Frabby. Unless something special is made, i think that sort policy is bit going too far. --[[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 19:36, 4 February 2021 (EST)
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:::::I'm afraid this where we have to '''"Agree, to disagree"'''.  This a Warship, not a person with thinking mind or a unique one-off vessel. You can't capture EVERYTHING. I think your being too specific. This my personal view. Specially with BattleTech, Warships are least love units aside from ProtoMechs by some element of our fandom/gamedom.  Warship is a Warship unless it's a variant.  Frabby, the thing is that Full Moon, is a Clan 3057 version. Technical Readout: 3057 Revised spells it out that Clans changed their ships in this specific case.  Mk39 looks like old Vincent from 2750. That's been established. Yet there now 2 kinds of McKennas. Completely different, like much of 2750 ships such as with Aegis specially, but again. 3057 Revised  spell out which one is which when it happened. I think your going too far with this. Mjolnir for instance looks same as the sister ship.  There no individual pictures of now destroyed second ship. As again, i think your being too picky.  I say again, "Agree, to disagree". Your one main editors now here, i'm just some body who helps out since i can't complete in editing and my work isn't as close to people who those who here daily. What you say goes, i personally thing your going too far on dead end subject. I will do as you say, i think your in wrong this. I don't want be banned. -- [[User:Wrangler|Wrangler]] ([[User talk:Wrangler|talk]]) 15:44, 6 February 2021 (EST)
  
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Frabby, please review the [[BattleTechWiki_talk:Planet_Article_Overhaul#Coordinates_.28Sidebar.29|discussion]] that developed after your opposition statement in regards to doing away with coordinates. The question needs to be settled as to from where these coordinates should reliably come. It's not as clear as simply providing printed canon coordinates.--[[User:Revanche|Rev]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 14:56, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
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==Developer Insights==
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I read a [https://bg.battletech.com/forums/general-discussion/recognition-guide-ilclan-discussion-part-2/msg1698319/#msg1698319 post on the official forum] that had great insight into the changes to the Tukayyid "C" 'Mech record sheets. I feel like that would be great information to archive here in some way, but I'm not sure how. A link in the 'Mech article notes might work, but the BT forum are far from permanent. Any ideas or opinions?--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 14:32, 18 February 2021 (EST)
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:It's probably gonna be important when trying to explain that, and why, the "C" configurations were retconned to what was now established. As a first thought, perhaps copy that post into an Essay type article and link to that in the 'Mech articles whenever a "C" variant is discussed.
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:In the past I used to archive such information on the pertinent talk page; but this is different as it is not exactly a ruling, and also much longer. So I think it needs to be treated differently. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 14:46, 18 February 2021 (EST)
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::I like the "essay" idea. I have PM'd the author for permission to copy.--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 19:51, 18 February 2021 (EST)
  
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== Review : Armed Forces of the Federated Commonwealth ==
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==Sam Lewis in Wolves on the Border==
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I was reflecting on my work on Sarna up until now and asking myself : What would impress them at this point?<br />
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Hey Frabby,  
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So - I redid the [[Armed Forces of the Federated Commonwealth]].<br />
 
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I chose this one for several reasons : First, sentiment. I started following BTech with the Clan Invasion. Blood of Kerensky. TRO3050. To me, the FedCom was an appealing faction. They were the quintessential "good guys". The ones who might have a shot to stop the Clans if they got their acts together, as they did on Twycross. I NEVER liked the idea of the Lyran Alliance, or of an AFFC reduced back to House Davion.
 
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Second, none of the existing articles (AFFS/AFFC) reflected the actual UNITED AFFC. In my mind, that military had its own identity, if only temporarily. I feel, in fact, that identity is easier to pin down. Our articles on, say, the DCMS should reflect literally hundreds of years of history. A unit that was killed of centuries ago should be listed alongside one that was just formed in the latest publications. Since the AFFC had a beginning, middle and end, it was a story that could be told in its entirety.<br />
 
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Third, the greatest compliment Rev (or anyone) paid me for my [[Alpha Regiment (Wolf's Dragoons)|Alpha Regiment]] article was that it set a standard for unit articles. I wanted to do the same for an entire military. The format I used is my submission for that new standard. I realize such things require discussion, and I don't want to step on anyone's toes. So I did this, to show what such an article COULD look like.<br />
 
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Fourth, I wanted to prove to myself that I could do this. I had a very clear idea of what a comprehensive AFFC article would look like. I feel I've met that, and applied the standards I set for myself.<br />
 
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So - that's all I have. Give it a look and tell me what you think. Thanks. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 18:23, 26 December 2011 (PST)
 
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: Frabby - any thoughts? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 11:47, 3 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:: I haven't forgotten you, but I just haven't come round to read the article beyond a cursory review yet. (Workload, down with flu for 3 weeks now, the usual excuses... :) ). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 01:11, 4 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::: I understand. I wanted to get some admin thoughts as Neuling expressed some.... concerns about the format. Thanks! [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 06:01, 10 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::::Nudge on this. Thanks! [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 22:35, 20 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:::::Finally found the time. Since Rev already put up a review on the [[Talk:Armed Forces of the Federated Commonwealth|article's talk page]], I added my comments there and also worked over the article proper. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 00:48, 22 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::::::Hey, responded. I'm very willing to work with you on this. Thanks! [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 21:01, 23 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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==Award==
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I have just done a search in my ebook copy of [[Wolves on the Border]] for [[Sam Lewis (Scientist)|Sam Lewis]]. I can't find any mention of him in the book.--[[User:Dmon|Dmon]] ([[User talk:Dmon|talk]]) 09:18, 4 March 2021 (EST)
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Hy Frabby i give you this award [[File:AP 2bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 3rd ribbon]] for your great [[Phoenix (novel)]] article, please add yourself to your user page i don't want to make editis on there, i have also the book in german and love the [[Mad Jumpin' Jacks]] merc unit, please post more from our german sources, there is i a lot of missing on sarna, i appriciate your work.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 17:24, 5 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:Thanks! :) I initially didn't even realize that Phoenix was not an US novel (with the cover from Wolf Pack and all that), and only your article about the Jacks made me scratch my head. Then, when I re-worked the list of novels, I saw for the first time that this wasn't translated from anywhere. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 01:11, 6 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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==Response==
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:Checked my print books, and ayup, you're right: It's one Prof. McGuffin (!!) who was mentioned along Dr. Banzai for the Jump Stabilizer. Seems I plainly misremembered. The reference to Professor-General Sam Lewis was in [[Warrior: Coupe]] instead, according to his article here. Might as well have looked there first. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:00, 4 March 2021 (EST)
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I maked it short, the publications handle the regiments differently. Take alook at the Era report 3052 p.149, the Historical War of 3039 p.141 or Fourth Succession War Volume 1 p.45. The commands are treated differently and have differnt battle histories. They share an common history but have also their unique expierence gahtered. That with the name can be changed with no great deal when its bother you.[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 10:35, 14 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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== Rev ==
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== Image Categories ==
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Hey Frabby - any word on Rev? [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 09:39, 15 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:Was curious myself and sent him an email. To quote his answer, ''"Needs of the Navy," as the saying goes. Real world events are soaking up a lot more of my time than I'd prefer. It's partly conditional and partly drama, but I myself am ok, just a bit over-tasked. Please express my apologies and appreciation for the concern. I'll get back as soon as I can.'' [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 00:48, 16 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::Good to know. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 06:57, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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==Neuling==
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Hi Frabby,
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===Update of Composition===
 
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Hello Frappy, I had update all forces from 3025 with the corresponding material from the different sources. When you and the others user had difficults with my work I apoligize to you and others. The next steps will be 3040/3050/3054/3059-3064/3079. Further more I will include the material about the equipment and the where the mercs were contracted. I hope you understand my work better. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 11:25, 15 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:A major sticking point, I think, is that potential BTW users from places like the BattleTech forum come over to look up something at Sarna, and find an incomplete, poorly written or poorly referenced article that doesn't help them for whatever they were searching for. Unfinished articles are a problem because they look sloppy, and make the entire wiki appear worthless to such casual visitors.
 
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:I realize that you have a different work approach: You work on broad projects with very many articles involved, and work them down one slice at a time, step by step. Which means dozens or hundreds of articles are in the middle of a re-write at the same time.
 
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:A suggestion: Perhaps it would help if you include <nowiki>{{inuse}} or {{underconstruction}}/{{WIP}}</nowiki> in the articles while you're working on them, to make it clear that there is work-in-progress going on. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 11:36, 15 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::Thanks for clearing up this point.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 12:05, 15 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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=== Concerns ===
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Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the [https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Special:UncategorizedFiles Uncategorized files] not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 04:22, 8 March 2021 (EST)
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Frabby - Do me a favor and type "Objectiv Raids" into the search box. You will find dozens if not hundreds of articles edited by Neuling. Not only did he not spell it correctly, he didn't use italics, and the formatting is sometimes off as well. What concerns me more is that Neuling was told his edits were problematic, he expressed disregard for our concerns and is apparently continuing right along. So now Doneve, myself, or someone else needs to go clean it up. What concerns me even more than all of this is that this is not isolated. Virtually every change Neuling makes either disregards our format, has multiple errors, blatantly plagiarizes the books and/or other sites, completely disregards any aesthetic, etc. I could go on. None of this is the main problem. The problem is he doesn't care. He is convinced that throwing poorly-written, poorly-edited and poorly-cited material at the wiki makes it better. Most of us understand that it doesn't. But he doesn't listen. He doesn't learn. So I am formally asking the admins to look into the situation, and decide what measures should be taken. Because Neuling is not making Sarna better right now. He's giving ammunition to those in the BT community who consider our work to be crap. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 07:24, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:I agree full with ClanWolverines statement, i talked so often to him, give him links to the policies etc. but he don't follow anything, oh please take a look on this talk on [[User talk:Dmon#Neuling|Dmon]]'s talk page, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 07:43, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::We've had this discussion with him before, if memory serves. --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 11:52, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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===Have I made you admins angry?===
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== Adding Design Programs in Left Menu ==
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I read the messages above and read to my suprise that clanwolverine consider my work a mess as a hole. I agree with you that my work was in the past not so good but please regard my work now. I listen to you and change my work like the references. I talk to you more often (If I wrong about it correct me please). My writting style has im proved and please tell me which of my work is considered plagarism and I will take it offline immedatly. I have no idea how I can calm the situation. Please response. Tnx [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 09:30, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:My offer stands to delete all my contributions with the goal to protect the site when necessary. I wrote the messages to several admins to get a clear view about my situation and to take consequenzes when needed.[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 11:24, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::Neuling, your offer is a classy one. To answer your question, no you haven't made me (as an admin) angry.
 
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::I would say I'm disappointed in your work. You provided a great deal of material, but it has consistently been poorly formatted and in many cases it disregarded the existing standards. This in turn made more work for other contributors. Other contributions you've made have been restatements of existing content that really don't add much to the wiki (e.g. the list of variants you were putting together earlier). It's disappointing because I think you could offer a lot of material to the site if only you could get it formatted correctly. --[[User:Mbear|Mbear]]<sup>([[User_talk:Mbear|talk]])</sup> 11:59, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:::It will take some time to remove all my contributions from that site but then you have a clean site wihtou the concern to get accused from outsiders to plagaris. I will start tomorrow and hopefully at the end of the months my material remove is done. With best regard [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 12:01, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::::Neuling - I am not an admin. But these problems we are speaking of are not in the past. They are current. The "Objectiv Raids" issue was no older than yesterday. I appreciate you correcting most of those, but there it is. Also : What the heck is this "[[Griffin#manufacturing_places|manufacturing places]]" section in the ''[[Griffin]]'' article? While I might agree that this information is relevant and viable, the format and aesthetic are both poor. You did not, as far as I can tell, start a discussion on properly presenting this material. You simply threw the information up there, and then took it for granted that other people would clean it up for you. That is why Doneve and I (and others) are frustrated. Please clean it up. Thank you. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 12:21, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:::::Your right made the changes yesterday, not in the past. It was never my goal to throw information at the site and led other do the cleaning or formating. Again I apolizye to you and as I wrote above I will remove the content which is considered not worthy for that side. All other user talk alot to me and I don't listen to your advices. As a person with respect for the work of the community will delete my contribution, but that will take time and in the end I will request that my account will be delete after the purification of the site. You ask what the thought was behind the manufacturing places. I will try a last example before I redonve my work. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 12:33, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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Neuling, this isn't against you personally. It is against poor articles. People aren't upset because ''you'' are editing/writing articles, they are upset because your writing/editing is substandard. It's a bit like splashing paint at a canvas to start off, and then expecting somebody else to paint a picture.
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Do you think is worth adding a direct link the the design softwares? The pages I've been adding: [[:Category:Battletech Design Software]].--[[User:Pserratv|Pserratv]] ([[User talk:Pserratv|talk]]) 05:12, 22 March 2021 (EDT)
  
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Therefore, this is not about removing your articles, but about improving your work.<br />A few serious questions for you:
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== Board Game ==
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*Why do you not check your spelling and grammar before you edit or upload an article? 1st
 
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*Why do you not follow the established format in your editing? 2nd
 
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[[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 13:33, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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:::1st - That was a point which was not on my mind. But should I ever again write articles for english related site I will follow your thought and perhaps I can do it this time better.
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Afternoon, Frabby. IRT [[Board Game]], I'm not sure what to make of this page. It seems to attract the attention of multiple Editors, but...what is it saying? I'm thinking of categorizing it as either Lists or Miscellaneous, but...I just don't get it. Advise, please. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 12:38, 9 May 2021 (EDT)
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::::2nd - I was to enthusiatic and aknowledge to late that I must follow the common formating to be accepted by the rest of the community.
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:It's funny that you raise this just now. I've had to take a short wikibreak of sorts and taking that step back made me realize there's a laundry list of admin-level issues on Sarna that needs to be adressed, or at least is becoming a serious problem from my viewpoint. Presentation, project coordination, category structure, article structures, newbie help,  you name it. Artifact articles like this one you mentioned are a small facet of one of the major chapters on this wish list. I was going to discuss this with Nic and the active admins shortly and I'm extremely happy to have you back so expect mail shortly (couple of days probably). :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 13:03, 9 May 2021 (EDT)
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::::3rd - My thought was to start an article and feed it over the time with material like I had it done with many mercanery related articles which will be delete over the next few days. Often I was the only editor how put valuable information ,in my thought, at the site and find it difficult to discuss every time the need for the artcle. For excample: I created the page Brions Legion - regiments multiple times and find it a short time later flaged for deletion or that the content should be merged with the brigade page.
 
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::::4th - That is a point which I hard to understand for me, because for the academie overview  I used only the availble information and  put it in to new shape. I doens't copy the content from the Classic Battletech Companion. The tables showed only an overview. I think even that format was considered plagarism by some users.
 
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::::5th - I had only one solution: remove all my contributions, leave the side for good and use the site only for future reference as guest. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 13:55, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:::::Please don't stop contributing on sarna, but follow some concerns, we are glad to have you here, but when you stard a huge project stard at first a talk, we help you to put your content in the right formating but you must work with us, also don't stop your efforts on the wiki.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 14:02, 18 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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:I will regard my decision.[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 14:11, 18 January 2012 (PST)
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::Roger that, muh-man. I'll hold off on any action until in receipt of your treatise. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 13:20, 9 May 2021 (EDT)
  
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== Brawlers ==
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Hello Frabby, I tried to change in the last few days my way of working and response immedatly to your advices. I hope my references are now in the formating that is widely aknowledged by the other user. I wait for your response. [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 00:15, 22 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:BTW is a team effort, so it is all about being a team player. Always, always ask yourself when you hit the "save" button: Is this edit/article really good enough, or is it full of errors so that somebody else will have to clean it up after me? That's the gist of it, really. As long as your contributions aren't considered counter-productive by other users, they're fine. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 00:31, 22 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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== SLDF Articles ==
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Afternoon, Frabby. Would you please take a look at my attempt to update the [[Brawler]] article? I'm specifically asking for a review of the general completeness of the role's description and the (hopefully) fair-use presentation of the ''Alpha Strike'' description. If/when it is acceptable, I'm intending to update/build the remaining unit role articles, including for the ASFs. Thanks. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 15:26, 15 May 2021 (EDT)
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Frabby - Great work with BrokenMnemonic and the SLDF articles. Have a [[File:DA 1bol.jpg|Direction Appreciated Award, 2nd ribbon]]. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 08:17, 19 January 2012 (PST)
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:Unfortunately I've never played Alpha Strike, never even completely read the AS rulebook. I'm totally in the dark about that game system. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 03:07, 18 June 2021 (EDT)
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:Thanks. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 00:11, 22 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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==Have the next==
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== Longbow Note ==
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Hy Frabby, have your next award from me [[File:AP 3bol.jpg|All Purpose Award, 4th ribbon]], thanks for the BattleCorps articles, i love it, ok most are stubs but the goal is to bring it on the wiki :)--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 16:10, 21 January 2012 (PST)
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Hey Frabby. In the note you left on the Longbow article, it may be worth mentioning that Ral Partha produced the miniature using the Unseen image, [[Ral_Partha_Catalogs#Ral_Partha_Catalog_1988|in their catalog starting in 1988]], which coincides with the appearances in ''Merc's Handbook'' and ''The Star League''. --[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 11:01, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
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:Thanks for the award. Yes, as a first step I'm creating stub articles so that the stories have an at least somewhat informative wiki coverage. Once I'm done with the list, I'll fill in more stuff. I've been a BC subscriber since early 2009 and have bought a number of older stories from BattleShop. My goal is to show what data can be mined from each individual story -- BattleTech featured, world descriptions, notable events that people may be unawares of because they're not mentioned outside of that one short story, that kind of stuff. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 00:11, 22 January 2012 (PST)  (fixed typos)
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:That's indeed worth noting. I don't have that catalogue, and didn't know that (I'm really not very much into miniatures). Can you expand the Notes to include this info? [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:07, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
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::Great, i love the short storys, i have also a couple of it, but iam not a fluff writer, the guys there write the storys (you to :)), do really good work.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 02:43, 22 January 2012 (PST)
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::I gave it a shot. Hopefully I got the point across while maintaining the flow.--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 11:59, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
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:::Pretty good, thank you. I take it "sku" is part of the product name? In an ideal world we would have an article link here, but miniatures are the stepchild of Sarna and I am in no position to improve the situation. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:16, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
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::::SKU stands for Stock Keeping Unit--the manufacturers stock number for the product. It is listed in the catalog article, there just isn't an easy way to directly link to its exact location. Setting individual anchors is a bit of a task.--[[User:Cache|Cache]] ([[User talk:Cache|talk]]) 12:27, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
  
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==Minor Factions/Groups==
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==Four minor points==
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Hy Frappy, I'm interested to expande the minor factions content of the site, but have difficults how to incoporate that in the overall struture. Some factions like the mafia are multinational with huge influence in the under on the worlds. The yakuzas are linked with Draconis Combine  and further I will wrote also over the Coterie an mysterious organization but which owns immense power.  [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 03:14, 22 January 2012 (PST)
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:''(Moved from user page to user talk page)''
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:Good idea. I guess other examples would be the [[Exituri]] or the [[Dark Caste]]; many minor "factions" already have redlinks. I'm not sure if it is appropriate to describe these as factions, though: They have no territory, military, or even population of their own, but do have an agenda and defined membership, and exist within established factions. I would rather describe them as "organisations". There is no established article format, and I since they are so dissimilar from each other I don't think there can be one. As for incorporating them, just write a good article about them. Once the article is in place, I reckon links and crosslinks will spring up over time. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 03:34, 22 January 2012 (PST)
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I can't get the hang of pinging on this wiki, so I came to your page. It's nice to have feedback because my efforts aren't perfect.
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* Re: AeroSpace Fighter, I've been using the [[Policy:BattleTech Style Guide]] connected to the Manual of Style, which requires CamelCase. I don't think I have a copy of the BattleCorps MOS.
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* Re: Mad Jumpin Jacks, it was inconsistent within the article so I went with what's at the [[Phoenix (Mercenary Command)]] page the unit name redirects to. I don't read German and I don't know if I have a PDF or doc of the novel to check against so I didn't even try to consult the original.
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* Re: Hyphen use in co-founder. I've been going with Fowler ("hyphens are regrettable necessities, and to be done without when they reasonably may") due in part to the over(mis)use of hyphens by CGL. I'm using a dictionary aggregator and the Chicago Manual of Style for hyphenation but I'm bound to get a few wrong.
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* Re: Correcting quotations. I try to consult the original text before correcting quotes but I know I miss some; I'm glad to have my mistakes corrected. I've actually had to correct a few quotes in other articles to match what's in the original product text.
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It would have been helpful if FASA/FanPro/CGL had at least tried to be consistent in its own products... [[User:Madness Divine|Madness Divine]] ([[User talk:Madness Divine|talk]])
  
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==CBT page==
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==PseudoTech==
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Hy, have you any info why the Classic BattleTech page and form is down.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 04:58, 25 January 2012 (PST)
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Hey Frabby.  Saw that you removed Moratorium from [[PseudoTech: Arcade Operations]].  Please note this is ''not'' a Free product.  It costs $2.99 in the CGL store and DriveThruRPG.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 11:59, 7 April 2022 (EDT)
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:? It doesn't seem to be down - I can access it with no problems. Mind that classicbattletech.com was abandoned with the recent switchover to the battletech.com portal; it remains as a redirect to the portal's boardgame section bg.battletech.com. That's also where the forum is, and has been, for a while. Check http://bg.battletech.com/forums/
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:D'oh. Me sloppy. Thanks for pointing out! Changing back. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:03, 7 April 2022 (EDT)
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:[[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 06:21, 25 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::Oh, i used a old link, thanks.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 06:28, 25 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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==Unit Digest==
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== Some German edition issues ==
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Hy again, i stard to create Unit Digest command articles, ok there have at this time a stub status, i hope it is not worthy to create this, what you are think about this, i stard with the  [[22nd Coventry Medical Regiment]].--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:48, 25 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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== Chronological Ordering of short stories ==
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Frabby. I encountered two issues related to German editions of certain novels. The issues are posted in [[Talk:List of German BattleTech novels]] and [[Talk:Shadows of War]]. Please feel free to share any insights that may help resolve those. Thanks. --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 22:23, 15 June 2022 (EDT)
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Frabby, I thought of something you might appreciate. <br>I print out the BC stories so that I may bind them in volumes and read them ''sans'' computer. I also do this chronologically, so that I'm reading them in order of occurrence. What I've done is renamed the files so that the date of first entry (in each story) comes before the story's name and then I grab a block of stories to print and bind the next volume.<br>
 
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I was thinking you ''might'' want to add a '[[Hanse_Davion#Succession|succession]]' tag to your stories, so that the reader knows what story preceded the current article and what follows. If that interests you at all, I'd be glad to provide you screen shots of my ordered files, so that you don't have to organize them yourself. Let me know if you're interested.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 05:39, 31 January 2012 (PST)
 
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:Personally, I don't think that sorting BC stories chronologically adds value, outside of serialized stories. Others might want to sort alphabetically, or by era or timeline, or by author. I'm not really opposed to the idea, I just think it's not worth the hassle for BTW. Especially as BattleCorps subscribers will have all their downloadable fiction sorted by publication date automatically on the site's Fiction section, and non-subscribers probably aren't interested in the sequence of publication anyways. As always, I'm open to good arguments to sway me to the other side. :) [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 06:28, 31 January 2012 (PST)
 
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::Nope, feel no need to sway you. I was inserting the four newest stories into my directories this morning and thought of you. It's available should you decide otherwise.  
 
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:: BTW, mine are ordered in-universe timeline, rather than RL release. -[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 07:50, 31 January 2012 (PST)
 
  
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== Please weigh in ==
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:Just gonna drop this here, as sorta related: [[Im Schatten der Bestie]] had some notes added to the Canonicity section about Mech names and mistranslations.  I just moved it down to a Notes section and otherwise left it be, but if you get a chance, please take a look?  Thanks!--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 18:01, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
  
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Frabby - Please look at the current discussion on [[BattleTechWiki talk:Project Military Commands]]. Neuling made certain comments that I (and perhaps Doneve?) took offense to. In the wrong light, it could be seen as a threat against the wiki. I have made my feelings on it clear. If you believe my comments are overly-harsh, I would be willing to discuss the matter with you privately. But at this point, I am using the word "vandalism", and I believe we need an Admin to settle things down. I have made my feelings about Neuling's edits clear in the past, but I believe the main problem is that he refuses to learn. Please give it a look. Thank you. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 09:17, 3 February 2012 (PST)
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== Intermedia X-Pulse Laser ==
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==Remove of Category==
 
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Hello Frabby, please tell me why have you removed the category from [[Hinsdale Electronics]]. I can found the entry in Objectives Draconis Combine p. 19. I think it is good to know which manufacturer is locate in the specific state. For me it is easier to find special content.[[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 13:40, 8 February 2012 (PST)
 
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:Tnx [[User:Neuling|Neuling]] 13:46, 8 February 2012 (PST)
 
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::Oops, sorry - I must have clicked on "Undo" accidentially when I was browsing on several tabs. Didn't realize this until you mentioned it, and have just rolled it back. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 13:47, 8 February 2012 (PST)
 
  
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== Dates to awards ==
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I just saw that you reverted [[Intermedia X-Pulse Laser]] from where I had marked it for deletion.  I am rather confused: it is one among a pile of similar redirects that used to point to Fanon, has nothing linking to it, and I can't see why it would need to stay?--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 08:22, 21 June 2022 (EDT)
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:I did? Damn. Presumably another case of me hitting the stupid "rollback" button when I was really only trying to scroll down the recent changes on my not-so-smart phone. I hate that button! And this time I didn't even realize I had hit it. Re-deleted. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:58, 21 June 2022 (EDT)
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::I have never tried to use this site on anything smaller than an iPad.  Somebody rolled my userpage back a couple months, once. :D Thanks for fixing.--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 13:00, 21 June 2022 (EDT)
  
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Looks like you and I had the same idea on the same date. In fact, when I got to your's, I was confused, as I hadn't realized I had added it already. Funny how things work. Best to ya. --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 20:07, 12 February 2012 (PST)
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== Astronomical Features  ==
  
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Frabby,  you raised a [[Category talk:Astronomical Features|point]] about the definition of [[:Category:Astronomical Features]] back in 2020.  I know that idea may have grown dormant since then, but can you elabaorate (in [[Category talk:Astronomical Features]]) on the issues you see/recall from then and whether they still need attention now?  --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 00:03, 5 July 2022 (EDT)
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:Thanks for the ping. I’ve replied over on the discussion page. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 12:18, 5 July 2022 (EDT)
  
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==Merge & Delete==
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== Japanese Editions ==
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Apparently it was ''very'' cathartic for you! --[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 04:14, 15 February 2012 (PST)
 
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: :) And that was only the Blocked User list. I'll work down the proper user list eventually, but that's much more work because a lot have inconspicious names and need to be verified as spammers before I can delete them. But I really want to have a clean user list with only "real" users on it, to gauge how successful BTW really is. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 04:26, 15 February 2012 (PST)
 
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::I'm with you on that. How do you intend to deal with registrants that have not ever edited?
 
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::Before Nic added the Questy Captcha, I tested the block routine. There is no way for a person to notify us (here) when they've been acccidentally blocked, as they can't edit their own page, the talk of page of any user or email us. In fact, all they get when they try to edit is a page error (no notification of the block). I can't rule out we've blocked some 'false positives', i.e., people who wanted to register but found the page error instead. I'm hoping the merge function of Merge & Delete removes the IP block that applies to the blocking of a registered (presumed) violator. With that assumption, I plan on posting on the BT forums about the recent changes and asking anyone who registered yet kept get page errors to try again or contact any of the admins via their BT forum inboxes.--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 07:02, 15 February 2012 (PST)
 
  
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== Les Dorshied & Doug Andersen ==
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I seem to recall you collect foreign editions.  I have done more detective work: [[Category_talk:Japanese_Editions]] --[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 13:25, 7 July 2022 (EDT)
  
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Hey, Frabby. When I attributed those two covers to their respective artists, I spelled them as they were shown on the Credits pages. Do we have different spellings for them elsewhere? (If so, I'll make a note of the mis-spellings at the appropriate pages.)--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 09:38, 18 February 2012 (PST)
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:[[User_talk:Revanche#Les_Dorshied_or_Les_Dorscheid]] [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 12:34, 18 February 2012 (PST)
 
  
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[[Glenmora (Individual Trutzburg-class äDropShip)]]--[[User:Talvin|Talvin]] ([[User talk:Talvin|talk]]) 08:31, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
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Evening Frabby why you undo my revion on the [[Buchlau]] page??? I set it back.--[[User:Doneve|Doneve]] 11:53, 2 March 2012 (PST)
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:Oops. Fixed. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 16:35, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
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:I did? Oops, sorry. Wasn't intentional. Seriously, I must have accidentially hit "rollback" on my IPhone while browsing the recent changes. Still learning the ropes here. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] 01:12, 3 March 2012 (PST)
 
  
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== Re: Shaidan Basin ==
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== 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set and BattleTech Einsteigerbox ==
  
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*[[Talk:Shaidan Basin|Compromise idea]]--[[User:Revanche|Revanche]] <sup>([[User_talk:Revanche|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Revanche|contribs]])</sup> 19:50, 14 March 2012 (PDT)
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Hello Frabby.  I saw your removal of the German edition information from [[25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set]] and the note on the edit.  I am curious to get your vantage point on this.  While the 2012 ''BattleTech Einsteigerbox'' did not adopt a German version of the title, it does appears that its cover and the components are a port over of those in the 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set, using the component list from [https://web.archive.org/web/20160813065958/http://www.ulisses-spiele.de/sortiment/tabletop/battletech/produkte/36/battletech-einsteigerbox/ the archived product page from Ulisses-Spiele].) Some of the contained booklets have page counts off by four, but the descriptions of the maps and the 'Mechs, including the premium 'Mechs, seem to align.  Even in the lower right hand corner of the cover  [[:File:BattleTech Einsteigerbox-cover.jpg]] there is a note that reads '25 jahriges jubilaum kampfkollosse des 4 jahrtausends' (trans. 25th anniversary of the battle colossi of the 4th millennium) so it also seems to be acknowledging the 25th anniversary of BattleTech.  It would seem proper to classify this as a German version of the ''25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set'' even though the title is vastly different.  Is there something that I am missing or overlooking (whether in terms of interpretation or historical context)?  An error on my part is quite possible, especially as German is not a language I am fluent in.  I would be curious to get a proper understanding one way or the other.  --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 19:47, 9 January 2023 (EST)
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:Need to research this a little more. The Anniversary Box and subsequent Introduction Box are very similar, that makes it difficult to decide which (if indeed any particular one) of them the German box is based on. It can't really be both though. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 11:51, 14 January 2023 (EST)
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::One thing to note is that there are (at least) two different versions of the ''BattleTech Einsteigerbox''.  One released in 2012. And one released in 2014.  Ulisses-Spielle calls the latter ''BattleTech Einsteigerbox (Neuauflage)''.  See [https://web.archive.org/web/20160813065958/http://www.ulisses-spiele.de/sortiment/tabletop/battletech/produkte/36/battletech-einsteigerbox/ BattleTech Einsteigerbox] and [https://web.archive.org/web/20140910183509/http://www.ulisses-spiele.de/produkte/954/battletech-einsteigerbox-neuauflage/ BattleTech Einsteigerbox (Neuauflage)] for a comparison.  In fact at the bottom of the web-listing for the older one is a link to the entry for the newer one.  --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 12:59, 14 January 2023 (EST)
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After looking into this I fully agree with you and have re-inserted the German edition parts into the 25th Anniversary Box article. Thanks for calling me out on this mistake. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 05:55, 19 January 2023 (EST)
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:Thanks for the update and the independent confirmation.  It is definitely good to have another set of eyes to help confirm or correct.  --[[User:Dude RB|Dude RB]] ([[User talk:Dude RB|talk]]) 19:20, 20 January 2023 (EST)
  
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==Disambig (cont.)==
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Hi Frabby, I'm not sure if you read my last reply in my talk page's Disambig discussion. Have you given any more thought to matter? --[[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 09:08, 22 September 2023 (EDT)
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Do not remove <nowiki><onlyinclude></nowiki> tags. Doing so will break transclusion. --[[User:Neufeld|Neufeld]] 00:29, 24 March 2012 (PDT)
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:Just checking in. As of this moment we are at 1,252 disambig pages and still climbing. I've finished going through all Clan characters and bloodnames currently in the database and have moved on to systems. Deadfire has helped me eliminate several hundred "structural" redirects to improve the search and autocomplete functions. Continuing to add disambig/seeother notes on non-Clan pages as previously discussed. Do you feel things are working and progressing to your satisfaction? [[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 07:23, 9 November 2023 (EST)
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::You're putting much more work into this than I ever did, honestly. I'm totally fine with it. In individual cases I might disagree regarding the disambig/seeother tag at the page header but if and when I run across something and actually find the time to lean into it, I'll ping you. [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 07:52, 9 November 2023 (EST)
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== For your review: Delta Regiment ==
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:::Appreciate it. If you feel the wording of the tag can be improved, of course please make whatever adjustments you feel is appropriate. Sometimes it's not always clear and I'm just doing a quick scan of the article for key words to put in. [[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 08:06, 9 November 2023 (EST)
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::Following up on something. Going through the DropShips and WarShips looking for same-named ships, I didn't realize just how many ships were needlessly disambiguated. I didn't count but there's maybe 100? My feelings on this have changed since you first mentioned it last August. Some of them make sense and understandable to leave as is, but if given the opportunity one day I'd be happy to move 90% of them back to their appropriate, simplified links, along with text replacements to rid the wiki of redirects that we don't need, decluttering the search function a little. [[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 01:07, 4 March 2024 (EST)
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[[Delta Regiment (Wolf's Dragoons)]] is up. Obviously, a lot of work went into this one.<br>
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:Oh, you're really preaching to the choir here. Apparently, someone got the notion that all ship names should be disambiguated to "name (class, type)". That wasn't my idea and I never liked it. You are very welcome to purge unneccessary redirects and disambiguations! A word of caution though, there are some edge cases where a ship was renamed and one of its earlier names may be a redirect that requires disambiguation (we do try to track previous names by redirecting these names to the vessel's latest established name). [[User:Frabby|Frabby]] ([[User talk:Frabby|talk]]) 01:37, 4 March 2024 (EST)
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::When the time comes, I'll be thorough during my checks. :) [[User:Csdavis715|Csdavis715]] ([[User talk:Csdavis715|talk]]) 02:21, 4 March 2024 (EST)
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One of my goals with this project was to improve upon the design of my [[Alpha Regiment (Wolf's Dragoons)]] article. To that end, I've streamlined several processes, most notably the reference tags, using what's become the accepted approach. In short, I updated my own style. While it took a lot of time, I think it went okay.<br>
 
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As you can see above, I've written a number of articles about Delta's commanding officers and so on. This means I can reuse some of that material when I write a comprehensive article like this one. As it turned out, the writing still needed to be massaged, but if that wasn't the case, I would have been doing something wrong. Nevertheless, its easier to write a bunch of small articles before trying to put together a beast like this.<br>
 
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When I decided to write comprehensive articles on each of the WD regiments, I always knew Alpha would be my first and Delta my second. There were two reasons, there: First, Delta has a lot of extra material on it from its involvement in the Coventry campaign. Second, Delta avoided the Dragoon Civil War/Elson's Challenge (popularized in Wolf Pack). That particular event will prove very difficult to cover, as it exists only in broad terms in the sourcebooks and we only get certain perspectives in the WP novel. But that's a talk for another day.<br>
 
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For now, please enjoy reading about Delta Regiment. Thanks, and I look forward to your feedback. [[User:ClanWolverine101|ClanWolverine101]] 16:10, 1 June 2012 (PDT)
 
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Hi Frabby. I'm just getting on with some more Jihad timeline edits and I noticed that you interjected the phrase "(It remains unclear if that "rescue" occurred with the subject's consent.)" after one of the edits I made last night. At the moment, I'm working from the Jihad timeline in ''[[Jihad: Final Reckoning]]'', which contains a brief precis of events only, and your comment falls in between a cited reference to the timeline and another statement with reference from the same summary timeline set several years later that I added a few weeks ago. The fact that your interjection doesn't come with a reference makes it look as it if's a part of the second sentence, despite neither of the citations for those two references matching what you said either - can you add a reference for your comment, please? I'm guessing it comes from whichever of the Jihad books covers the Death Commando raid on New Syrtis, but I'm working from the timeline, rather than the longer fluff entries, because I want to try and get a complete timeline on here as quickly as possible before I go back to start fleshing entries out. [[User:BrokenMnemonic|BrokenMnemonic]] 04:07, 17 June 2012 (PDT)
 

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As of 07 Jan 2021, I archived all content on my talk page because I reckon there were no pending issues.

The Nellus Academy Incident[edit]

Hi Frabby,
Have you read The Nellus Academy Incident? I've just finished reading it, and there are a few details in it that are making the canon-processing part of my brain itch a little. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 16:49, 9 January 2021 (EST)

Read it via BattleCorps; I also have the PoD standing on my shelf. Was going to produce a proper article, but since it ultimately seems like a side story of little relevance it got pushed back. I think I know what itches your brain though. :) Frabby (talk) 01:33, 10 January 2021 (EST)
I'm going to keep reading the author's books - it was a good YA SF read - but I singled out three things that felt anachronistic to me: sending messages to and from Nestor via the jump point of somewhere near Gienah without an HPG, the presence of a COM-2Dr Commando which is a Jihad-era refit according to TRO-3085 in a novel set in 3067 (with it being a well-known enough variant for FWL cadets to recognise) and the ending section where the four-hundred thousand tonne Monolith class JumpShip was accompanied by WarShips "more than twice its mass" which at the time, can only be the Fylgia and Yggdrasil, which seemed a bit of a stretch... I'd been thinking of trying to write up the summary for the webpage, but I'm not sure how to reconcile novels being the highest level of canon with these odd details. BrokenMnemonic (talk) 03:13, 10 January 2021 (EST)

Fortune Charlie[edit]

Hi Frabby, I have not re-read the books, but from what you say, I nevertheless thing temporarily we should keep the information there and link to Operation CERBERUS once done, otherwise this piece of lore would be easily forgotten (at least for me).--Pserratv (talk) 07:21, 12 January 2021 (EST)

Cerberus and its sub-commands is covered in quite some depth in the novella A Splinter of Hope. If and when I get around to doing an article on Cerberus, Task Force Styx and Fortune Charlie within it will likely feature rather prominently. But I firmly believe Fortune Charlie should only be a redirect to the proper operation that it was a small part of. Calling Fortune Charlie a unit is at least misleading if not outright false, and as such I felt I couldn't just leave it there. Frabby (talk) 04:57, 13 January 2021 (EST)
I read it yesterday, and it is true what you say. As members of "Fortune Charlie", only one unit is spoken by name, the others are considered an assorted mix of units, like Jihad era conglomerate of small mercenary commands by Devlin Stone.
Once you have full article though, we should redirect this page to the section that specifically explains what "Fortune Charlie" represents.--Pserratv (talk) 05:22, 13 January 2021 (EST)

Emblematic Mech[edit]

Hello I finally take the time to write the Essay: Emblematic 'Mechs like you advise me to do almost a month ago (I had a lot of works before :(). I don't really feel like it's a true essay. I just extracted and centralized information dispersed in other articles, without putting thought or arguments. After, I have no idea if there is a better way to categorize it and you have far more knowledge on that than I. I would be very grateful if you can look at it and tell me what you think of it. Dermenore (talk) 16:48, 21 January 2021 (EST)

Images for individual starships[edit]

Hiya, I wanted to ask you to refrain from putting generic ship class images into articles about individual vessels, like in the Full Moon article. There is a less than 1% chance that this image is actually showing the Full Moon out of the 106 Potemkins ever built. Please only use images that are confirmed, or at least reasonably likely, to depict the specific vessel in question. I feel using generic images is like putting a regular Centurion image into the infobox of the Yen-Lo-Wang article just because Yen-Lo-Wang is a Centurion. If there is no picture for a specific starship then so be it. Frabby (talk) 15:07, 31 January 2021 (EST)

Frappy, do you know the long ODDS of individual Warship picture to be created? Likelness is 1% it will ever be made. That's crazy Frabby. Unless something special is made, i think that sort policy is bit going too far. --Wrangler (talk) 19:36, 4 February 2021 (EST)
I'm afraid this where we have to "Agree, to disagree". This a Warship, not a person with thinking mind or a unique one-off vessel. You can't capture EVERYTHING. I think your being too specific. This my personal view. Specially with BattleTech, Warships are least love units aside from ProtoMechs by some element of our fandom/gamedom. Warship is a Warship unless it's a variant. Frabby, the thing is that Full Moon, is a Clan 3057 version. Technical Readout: 3057 Revised spells it out that Clans changed their ships in this specific case. Mk39 looks like old Vincent from 2750. That's been established. Yet there now 2 kinds of McKennas. Completely different, like much of 2750 ships such as with Aegis specially, but again. 3057 Revised spell out which one is which when it happened. I think your going too far with this. Mjolnir for instance looks same as the sister ship. There no individual pictures of now destroyed second ship. As again, i think your being too picky. I say again, "Agree, to disagree". Your one main editors now here, i'm just some body who helps out since i can't complete in editing and my work isn't as close to people who those who here daily. What you say goes, i personally thing your going too far on dead end subject. I will do as you say, i think your in wrong this. I don't want be banned. -- Wrangler (talk) 15:44, 6 February 2021 (EST)

Developer Insights[edit]

I read a post on the official forum that had great insight into the changes to the Tukayyid "C" 'Mech record sheets. I feel like that would be great information to archive here in some way, but I'm not sure how. A link in the 'Mech article notes might work, but the BT forum are far from permanent. Any ideas or opinions?--Cache (talk) 14:32, 18 February 2021 (EST)

It's probably gonna be important when trying to explain that, and why, the "C" configurations were retconned to what was now established. As a first thought, perhaps copy that post into an Essay type article and link to that in the 'Mech articles whenever a "C" variant is discussed.
In the past I used to archive such information on the pertinent talk page; but this is different as it is not exactly a ruling, and also much longer. So I think it needs to be treated differently. Frabby (talk) 14:46, 18 February 2021 (EST)
I like the "essay" idea. I have PM'd the author for permission to copy.--Cache (talk) 19:51, 18 February 2021 (EST)

Sam Lewis in Wolves on the Border[edit]

Hey Frabby,

I have just done a search in my ebook copy of Wolves on the Border for Sam Lewis. I can't find any mention of him in the book.--Dmon (talk) 09:18, 4 March 2021 (EST)

Checked my print books, and ayup, you're right: It's one Prof. McGuffin (!!) who was mentioned along Dr. Banzai for the Jump Stabilizer. Seems I plainly misremembered. The reference to Professor-General Sam Lewis was in Warrior: Coupe instead, according to his article here. Might as well have looked there first. Frabby (talk) 11:00, 4 March 2021 (EST)

Image Categories[edit]

Hi Frabby,

Do you know how the system maps are generated? All those images don't have a category and this makes the Uncategorized files not very useful as from the first 1000 thousand maybe 95% images as these ones. And I do not want to put them in a category as this might affect the "program" that generates them. Do you know who can help? Maybe when the image is generated it can be put in a category like "System Images". I'm asking more people, but do you have any idea?--Pserratv (talk) 04:22, 8 March 2021 (EST)

Adding Design Programs in Left Menu[edit]

Do you think is worth adding a direct link the the design softwares? The pages I've been adding: Category:Battletech Design Software.--Pserratv (talk) 05:12, 22 March 2021 (EDT)

Board Game[edit]

Afternoon, Frabby. IRT Board Game, I'm not sure what to make of this page. It seems to attract the attention of multiple Editors, but...what is it saying? I'm thinking of categorizing it as either Lists or Miscellaneous, but...I just don't get it. Advise, please. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 12:38, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

It's funny that you raise this just now. I've had to take a short wikibreak of sorts and taking that step back made me realize there's a laundry list of admin-level issues on Sarna that needs to be adressed, or at least is becoming a serious problem from my viewpoint. Presentation, project coordination, category structure, article structures, newbie help, you name it. Artifact articles like this one you mentioned are a small facet of one of the major chapters on this wish list. I was going to discuss this with Nic and the active admins shortly and I'm extremely happy to have you back so expect mail shortly (couple of days probably). :) Frabby (talk) 13:03, 9 May 2021 (EDT)
Roger that, muh-man. I'll hold off on any action until in receipt of your treatise. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 13:20, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

Brawlers[edit]

Afternoon, Frabby. Would you please take a look at my attempt to update the Brawler article? I'm specifically asking for a review of the general completeness of the role's description and the (hopefully) fair-use presentation of the Alpha Strike description. If/when it is acceptable, I'm intending to update/build the remaining unit role articles, including for the ASFs. Thanks. --Revanche (talk|contribs) 15:26, 15 May 2021 (EDT)

Unfortunately I've never played Alpha Strike, never even completely read the AS rulebook. I'm totally in the dark about that game system. Frabby (talk) 03:07, 18 June 2021 (EDT)

Longbow Note[edit]

Hey Frabby. In the note you left on the Longbow article, it may be worth mentioning that Ral Partha produced the miniature using the Unseen image, in their catalog starting in 1988, which coincides with the appearances in Merc's Handbook and The Star League. --Cache (talk) 11:01, 21 August 2021 (EDT)

That's indeed worth noting. I don't have that catalogue, and didn't know that (I'm really not very much into miniatures). Can you expand the Notes to include this info? Frabby (talk) 11:07, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
I gave it a shot. Hopefully I got the point across while maintaining the flow.--Cache (talk) 11:59, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
Pretty good, thank you. I take it "sku" is part of the product name? In an ideal world we would have an article link here, but miniatures are the stepchild of Sarna and I am in no position to improve the situation. Frabby (talk) 12:16, 21 August 2021 (EDT)
SKU stands for Stock Keeping Unit--the manufacturers stock number for the product. It is listed in the catalog article, there just isn't an easy way to directly link to its exact location. Setting individual anchors is a bit of a task.--Cache (talk) 12:27, 21 August 2021 (EDT)

Four minor points[edit]

(Moved from user page to user talk page)

I can't get the hang of pinging on this wiki, so I came to your page. It's nice to have feedback because my efforts aren't perfect.

  • Re: AeroSpace Fighter, I've been using the Policy:BattleTech Style Guide connected to the Manual of Style, which requires CamelCase. I don't think I have a copy of the BattleCorps MOS.
  • Re: Mad Jumpin Jacks, it was inconsistent within the article so I went with what's at the Phoenix (Mercenary Command) page the unit name redirects to. I don't read German and I don't know if I have a PDF or doc of the novel to check against so I didn't even try to consult the original.
  • Re: Hyphen use in co-founder. I've been going with Fowler ("hyphens are regrettable necessities, and to be done without when they reasonably may") due in part to the over(mis)use of hyphens by CGL. I'm using a dictionary aggregator and the Chicago Manual of Style for hyphenation but I'm bound to get a few wrong.
  • Re: Correcting quotations. I try to consult the original text before correcting quotes but I know I miss some; I'm glad to have my mistakes corrected. I've actually had to correct a few quotes in other articles to match what's in the original product text.

It would have been helpful if FASA/FanPro/CGL had at least tried to be consistent in its own products... Madness Divine (talk)

PseudoTech[edit]

Hey Frabby. Saw that you removed Moratorium from PseudoTech: Arcade Operations. Please note this is not a Free product. It costs $2.99 in the CGL store and DriveThruRPG.--Talvin (talk) 11:59, 7 April 2022 (EDT)

D'oh. Me sloppy. Thanks for pointing out! Changing back. Frabby (talk) 12:03, 7 April 2022 (EDT)

Some German edition issues[edit]

Frabby. I encountered two issues related to German editions of certain novels. The issues are posted in Talk:List of German BattleTech novels and Talk:Shadows of War. Please feel free to share any insights that may help resolve those. Thanks. --Dude RB (talk) 22:23, 15 June 2022 (EDT)

Just gonna drop this here, as sorta related: Im Schatten der Bestie had some notes added to the Canonicity section about Mech names and mistranslations. I just moved it down to a Notes section and otherwise left it be, but if you get a chance, please take a look? Thanks!--Talvin (talk) 18:01, 17 June 2022 (EDT)

Intermedia X-Pulse Laser[edit]

I just saw that you reverted Intermedia X-Pulse Laser from where I had marked it for deletion. I am rather confused: it is one among a pile of similar redirects that used to point to Fanon, has nothing linking to it, and I can't see why it would need to stay?--Talvin (talk) 08:22, 21 June 2022 (EDT)

I did? Damn. Presumably another case of me hitting the stupid "rollback" button when I was really only trying to scroll down the recent changes on my not-so-smart phone. I hate that button! And this time I didn't even realize I had hit it. Re-deleted. Frabby (talk) 12:58, 21 June 2022 (EDT)
I have never tried to use this site on anything smaller than an iPad. Somebody rolled my userpage back a couple months, once. :D Thanks for fixing.--Talvin (talk) 13:00, 21 June 2022 (EDT)

Astronomical Features[edit]

Frabby, you raised a point about the definition of Category:Astronomical Features back in 2020. I know that idea may have grown dormant since then, but can you elabaorate (in Category talk:Astronomical Features) on the issues you see/recall from then and whether they still need attention now? --Dude RB (talk) 00:03, 5 July 2022 (EDT)

Thanks for the ping. I’ve replied over on the discussion page. Frabby (talk) 12:18, 5 July 2022 (EDT)

Japanese Editions[edit]

I seem to recall you collect foreign editions. I have done more detective work: Category_talk:Japanese_Editions --Talvin (talk) 13:25, 7 July 2022 (EDT)

ä[edit]

Glenmora (Individual Trutzburg-class äDropShip)--Talvin (talk) 08:31, 11 July 2022 (EDT)

Oops. Fixed. Frabby (talk) 16:35, 11 July 2022 (EDT)

25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set and BattleTech Einsteigerbox[edit]

Hello Frabby. I saw your removal of the German edition information from 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set and the note on the edit. I am curious to get your vantage point on this. While the 2012 BattleTech Einsteigerbox did not adopt a German version of the title, it does appears that its cover and the components are a port over of those in the 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set, using the component list from the archived product page from Ulisses-Spiele.) Some of the contained booklets have page counts off by four, but the descriptions of the maps and the 'Mechs, including the premium 'Mechs, seem to align. Even in the lower right hand corner of the cover File:BattleTech Einsteigerbox-cover.jpg there is a note that reads '25 jahriges jubilaum kampfkollosse des 4 jahrtausends' (trans. 25th anniversary of the battle colossi of the 4th millennium) so it also seems to be acknowledging the 25th anniversary of BattleTech. It would seem proper to classify this as a German version of the 25th Anniversary Introductory Box Set even though the title is vastly different. Is there something that I am missing or overlooking (whether in terms of interpretation or historical context)? An error on my part is quite possible, especially as German is not a language I am fluent in. I would be curious to get a proper understanding one way or the other. --Dude RB (talk) 19:47, 9 January 2023 (EST)

Need to research this a little more. The Anniversary Box and subsequent Introduction Box are very similar, that makes it difficult to decide which (if indeed any particular one) of them the German box is based on. It can't really be both though. Frabby (talk) 11:51, 14 January 2023 (EST)
One thing to note is that there are (at least) two different versions of the BattleTech Einsteigerbox. One released in 2012. And one released in 2014. Ulisses-Spielle calls the latter BattleTech Einsteigerbox (Neuauflage). See BattleTech Einsteigerbox and BattleTech Einsteigerbox (Neuauflage) for a comparison. In fact at the bottom of the web-listing for the older one is a link to the entry for the newer one. --Dude RB (talk) 12:59, 14 January 2023 (EST)

After looking into this I fully agree with you and have re-inserted the German edition parts into the 25th Anniversary Box article. Thanks for calling me out on this mistake. Frabby (talk) 05:55, 19 January 2023 (EST)

Thanks for the update and the independent confirmation. It is definitely good to have another set of eyes to help confirm or correct. --Dude RB (talk) 19:20, 20 January 2023 (EST)

Disambig (cont.)[edit]

Hi Frabby, I'm not sure if you read my last reply in my talk page's Disambig discussion. Have you given any more thought to matter? --Csdavis715 (talk) 09:08, 22 September 2023 (EDT)

Just checking in. As of this moment we are at 1,252 disambig pages and still climbing. I've finished going through all Clan characters and bloodnames currently in the database and have moved on to systems. Deadfire has helped me eliminate several hundred "structural" redirects to improve the search and autocomplete functions. Continuing to add disambig/seeother notes on non-Clan pages as previously discussed. Do you feel things are working and progressing to your satisfaction? Csdavis715 (talk) 07:23, 9 November 2023 (EST)
You're putting much more work into this than I ever did, honestly. I'm totally fine with it. In individual cases I might disagree regarding the disambig/seeother tag at the page header but if and when I run across something and actually find the time to lean into it, I'll ping you. Frabby (talk) 07:52, 9 November 2023 (EST)
Appreciate it. If you feel the wording of the tag can be improved, of course please make whatever adjustments you feel is appropriate. Sometimes it's not always clear and I'm just doing a quick scan of the article for key words to put in. Csdavis715 (talk) 08:06, 9 November 2023 (EST)
Following up on something. Going through the DropShips and WarShips looking for same-named ships, I didn't realize just how many ships were needlessly disambiguated. I didn't count but there's maybe 100? My feelings on this have changed since you first mentioned it last August. Some of them make sense and understandable to leave as is, but if given the opportunity one day I'd be happy to move 90% of them back to their appropriate, simplified links, along with text replacements to rid the wiki of redirects that we don't need, decluttering the search function a little. Csdavis715 (talk) 01:07, 4 March 2024 (EST)
Oh, you're really preaching to the choir here. Apparently, someone got the notion that all ship names should be disambiguated to "name (class, type)". That wasn't my idea and I never liked it. You are very welcome to purge unneccessary redirects and disambiguations! A word of caution though, there are some edge cases where a ship was renamed and one of its earlier names may be a redirect that requires disambiguation (we do try to track previous names by redirecting these names to the vessel's latest established name). Frabby (talk) 01:37, 4 March 2024 (EST)
When the time comes, I'll be thorough during my checks. :) Csdavis715 (talk) 02:21, 4 March 2024 (EST)

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