User talk:Frabby

Warrior House(s)

Why did you move Warrior Houses to Warrior House? Shouldn't the article title be plural, since it discusses all of them? --Scaletail 19:13, 8 December 2007 (CST)

I guess that was my first impression, too (admittedly I did not consciously think about it). However, when mentioned in other articles you can expect single Warrior Houses to be adressed and the link would then be used in singular form, i.e. [ [Warrior House]] [ [Imarra]]. I noticed that when updating my Kaifeng article.

Btw I considered making Warrior Houses a Category but thought it pointless for only 8 entries. In the future the individual Houses may have individual entries, but for now I felt there just is not enough material to warrant this. If and when that happens, a singular title for the main article will be even more important. I am not against moving the article to plural form but then a redirect from the singular would be neccessary imho. Frabby 19:20, 8 December 2007 (CST)

No matter which way you do it, you'll have a redirect. It was just my impression that the plural was more accurate. Any help you could contribute to the "Warrior Houses" section I created at Capellan Confederation Armed Forces would also be appreciated. --Scaletail 19:39, 8 December 2007 (CST)

Thanks for cleaning up the various Warrior House Re-directs! Alkemita 09:40, 12 March 2009 (PDT)

DropShip

Wanted to tell you how I think you've /really/improved the article. Exellent job! --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 10:39, 9 December 2007 (CST)

Thanks for the flowers. However, to be honest I think the article (and others) still require a lot of work on their references. I often fail to provide references myself because sometimes I do remember certain bits and pieces of information but cannot recall where they are from, and most of the time do not have the novels or sourcebooks anymore. So unfortunately, somebody else will have to do that part of the work... Frabby 17:09, 18 December 2007 (CST)

Agree. It'll happen in time. (What would we do with our lives if this encyclopedia were comple?) --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 01:18, 19 December 2007 (CST)

MechWarrior I

Great job on the MW I page, Frabby! I really liked how detailed you made it, especially given all of the links to the other elements. Great job and it definitely brought some old memories to the surface for me. :) Thanks! Bdevoe 15:55, 29 January 2008 (CST)

Planets and their coordinates

Thanks for the help on the planets. It's a bit of work and you're doing a great job adding in the extra data! Bdevoe 20:13, 26 October 2007 (CDT)

Glad it's appreciated! But I have a number of points: Some of the source material is ambigous Canon, how do we treat that? (For example, data from roleplaying scenarios like the stuff I have on Suk II) Also, the X/Y coordinates of systems are obviously wrong. Are these based on the 3031 Atlas of the Inner Sphere (which I have here, in German)? If so I could start to correct the coordinates. Frabby 05:09, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

I've noted to Nicjansma that the coordinates were incorrect. The entries were autogenerated and obviously there was an error when it posted the entries. I believe the info came from the Inner Sphere Cartography Service maps (which are correct except for two planets) and that data was based on the 1987/88 House Books. I think the plan is that he'll correct it using some script when he has time to deal with it since it's every planet that's wrong. To your other point, I would tend to think that if the information was published by FASA/WizKids/FanPro it's canon, even if it's from a scenario pack (like the Black Widows Company book). I guess it's up to you as to whether you're willing to go through all of the planets and fix the coordinates - it seems a Herculean task and would probably be easier to wait for Nic to do it automagically. :) Bdevoe 12:10, 27 October 2007 (CDT)

Hunan

I'm glad that you found the wrong co-ordinates for Gotterdammerung. I was wondering if you could take a look in your atlas of the Inner Sphere for Hunan. It's placed on the map here to the northeast of New Avalon, but it's listed as being part of the Capellan confederation and as having been part of the Terran Hegemony. I think this must be wrong, but I have no way of checking it. If it's possible, could you take a look?

Follow up: The co-ordinates are listed as: (X: 333.04 Y: 333.04)

Thanks, --Workerbee 09:41, 30 May 2008 (CDT)

It is located in the triangle formed by New Aragon, St. Andre and Foochow, fairly exactly "north" of Zaurak and Kaifeng. The Atlas gives the coordinates as X: 73,04 Y: 96,76

Btw it is a known problem that the planet's X/Y coordinates are wrong. When the entries were auto-generated, the X-coordinate were erroneously put into both the X and Y slot. Nic is aware of this and it will hopefully be corrected in a future update. (See Category talk:Planets# Major Problem with Coords). Frabby 13:10, 30 May 2008 (CDT)

Thanks again. --Workerbee 15:24, 30 May 2008 (CDT)

Wouldn't that be (73.04, -96.76?), as Hunan is "south" of Terra? Since you've become the planetary coordinate guru, would you be able to check and make sure that the master file has as that data correct? I've already corrected Menkent, Blue Diamond, Gotterdammerung, and Hunan. Specifically, could you check out Sakhalin, Scituate, Cartago, and Chamdo? Thanks! --Scaletail 17:42, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

Yes, you are absolutely right: Hunan is at Y -96.76, sorry! Regarding the others:

• There are in fact two systems by the name of Sakhalin: One is a CapCon/Sarna Supremacy world at X: 62.33 Y: -142.92, the other a Lyran world at X: -24.25 Y: 153.09. The one on this wiki is the CapCon world, Sakhalin (LC) is missing as of yet. I had already noted it on the article some time ago (CC/SS world is spelled Sachalin in German material, but not in the original English sources).
• Scituate has X: 88.67 Y: -221.94 in my Atlas. The wiki apparently used a positive Y coord, as it is erroneously shown at approximately the same altitude as Mannedorf (which is Y: 228.98).
• Cartago placement seems to be correct (at X: 141.09 Y: -10.17)
• Chamdo placement also seems to be correct (at X: 10.43 Y: -153.61); however, in the immediate vicinity Yunnah seems to be slightly misplaced. The correct coordinates for Yunnah are X: 27.67 Y: -124.13. It should be halfway between Corey and Second Try but here it is erroneously shown on the same altitude as Tsinghai and Chamdo, at Y: -153.61.

Checking the big file? I am honored, but it is a daunting task. It will take time. (Add the fact that some names were actually translated into German, i.e. Second Try is named Zweitversuch (lit.: Second Try) in German. That one could be guessed, but it literally took me a year to figure that Rand is meant to be The Edge...

Oh, and then there is that issue with "missing planets". It grew to quite a collection on the CBT forum, and there are other cases. This wiki, for example, has Ferris (Outworld Alliance) but there seems to be another Ferris in the Oberon Confederation which as of yet is not mentioned here. Frabby 18:17, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

The file does have Sakhalin (LC) at the correct coordinates. It has Scituate at 88.67,221.94 so that is incorrect. Yunnah is a tad off at 27.64,-154.13. Both have been corrected. It is daunting, I agree... but something does need to be done about the planets that are not represented, especially the planets of the Marian Hegemony and Circinus Federation. I also feel like Clan planets should be added, as well as those in the Deep Periphery, but that's a whole separate issue. --Scaletail 18:46, 1 June 2008 (CDT)

Shrapnel

A bit late, but good work on the article. I was surprised to see an early product with such an extensive article. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 10:35, 4 July 2008 (CDT)

Again, thanks - it is nice to see that my work is appreciated. I intend to eventually create pages for all the BT novels I have and provide a plot synopsis, timeframe, list of characters, list of major events for each. The intention is to give a full (yet reasonably brief) content rundown for each product on this wikia. But that is a huge undertaking, and currently queued behind Canonicity debate/policy (something I hope will be hammered out between Scaletail and myself), and stellar cartography. Frabby 01:25, 5 July 2008 (CDT)

Charakter

Gotta ask you: is the mis-spelling an affection of your's or just somehow a common mistake you make? I've seen you spell it both ways here, but now came across the k-spelling on CBT, as well. Just curious.

Also, I was waiting on your input on the Canon talk page, before I move forward on a section-by-section discussion/development. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 23:15, 17 August 2008 (CDT)

I have to say common mistake. "Charakter" is German. Being a GM, I use (and write) the word so often that the German spelling sometimes creeps through even when I write in English. Frabby 03:11, 18 August 2008 (CDT)

Good to know. Your English is impeccable, if that is the only evidence of it being a second language creeping in. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 08:38, 18 August 2008 (CDT)

Cyclops

Good find, on the errata. Especially since it was an old thread. I went ahead and made a reference for the link you provided, to prevent and calls of doubt in the future. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 21:29, 25 August 2008 (CDT)

E-mail

I just sent you an e-mail thru the BTW system. Please review when you get the opportunity. Thanks.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 16:13, 30 August 2008 (CDT)

Hunter

Thanks for fixing all those links. I meant to get around to it, but you beat me! --Scaletail 13:15, 13 September 2008 (CDT)

Unsuited Content

Hi Frabby. Would you please take a look at Seraphin and Seraphin Mechwarrior? I think they're articles better suited for the Fanon Wiki. Thanks for the help. --Ebakunin 21:29, 30 November 2008 (PST)

Technically, this kind of fanon articles is allowed on Sarna.net, provided that it is marked as fanon/non-canon. This goes back to the origins of this wiki, which started out as a fansite. I will, however, add the appropriate Non-Canon flags to the articles. Thanks for spotting. Frabby 06:37, 1 December 2008 (PST)

Should we start encouraging members to move fanon to the Fanon Wiki? --Ebakunin 06:59, 1 December 2008 (PST)

Personally, yes. But the Policy to allow fanon stands, and I feel uncomfortable with changing this all by myself. Consider that this was originally a fan-site for Neveron, and only later evolved into a true BT Wikia. I also thought that providing a dedicated fanon wikia should channel fanon away from this wikia. Anyways, I suggest you try to drum up support from Scaletail and especially NicJansma. They are the ones to decide on this matter as far as I am concerned. Frabby 07:30, 1 December 2008 (PST)

List of minor mercenary units

Yeoman's work dude! Locis 06:49, 3 December 2008 (PST)

Lock the Main Page

Hi Frabby,

The Main Page was hit by vandalism again. Since it's the public face of the site, I really believe it should be locked to all but administrators. There's really no reason anyone else should edit it anyway. --Ebakunin 06:56, 8 January 2009 (PST)

Makes sense. I had anticipated it would be locked anyways, so I'm going to do it now. What worries me a bit is that these spambots actually created user accounts. Will bring this up with the site owner, Nic Jansma. Frabby 07:36, 8 January 2009 (PST)

I wasn't there when it happened, but I approve this request, as it is really important to not see our favorite site spammed with viagra offers. --FIVE-one 07:37, 8 January 2009 (PST)

Update: The front page is already protected (against edits by non-registered users I presume). If I have an admin button to lock it beyond that then I have not found it. Nic should be able to help. Frabby 07:41, 8 January 2009 (PST)

You'll need someone with "sysop" access. --Ebakunin 12:15, 8 January 2009 (PST)

WikiProject Military Commands

I created a new WikiProject to encompass all military commands. Since you've done a lot of work in the past with them, please come over and sign up so that we can improve the coverage of all units. --Scaletail 14:16, 14 February 2009 (PST)

I have deliberately avoided signing into any specific Projects, and stick to my own to-do list instead. Well, sort of... Of course that does not mean I don't approve! It's just that I feel there is no point in me pinning my name to any particular projects. Frabby 14:50, 16 February 2009 (PST)

Thanks for the Help!

Hi Frabby, thanks for helping me with my problem. I'm very new to wikipedia use. I'm uncertain on how to use the other command such as move. I suspected that i won't been able re-name article i had created for security purposes. Thanks again for helping me and opening my eyes to the move function. -- Wrangler 14:06, 24 March 2009 (PDT)

Category Creation

Hello Frabby, I'm uncertain whom would be person to speak with regarding this. I've added few vehicles to the Sarna.net which aren't new in some respects. I've added the Ibex RV civilian vehicle from the Handbook: House Marik. This is a civilian vehicle, is it possible to add a Civilian Vehicles category? There are other civilian vehicles listed in the handbooks as well as Vehicle Annex.

Also could category of Naval Vessel Support Vehicles be added? It is a geniune battletech vehicle listing. I've added two support vehicle which happen to fall under sub-directory of Naval Support Support Vessel. Thank you for your time! -- Wrangler 16:37, 24 March 2009 (PDT)

To the best of my knowledge, categories are auto-created when articles (at least two) are sorted into a given category. You can then go to the category page and edit in some explanatory text if you want. I think this is how I created the Category:Alien species. If you run into problems, let me know.

As for Naval Vessels, there are so few designs that I would put all canonical sea-going ships into one category; suggest you name it Blue Water Naval Vehicles (but really, if you can find a better name then use that instead!). Frabby 13:34, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

Wet naval vessels already have a couple of categories reserved for them already, based upon the chassis, as is consistent with other combat vehicles. Check out the Combat Vehicle Portal for them. --Scaletail 16:55, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

Support Vehicles offical classification of Battletech. Their own class. Naval Support Vehicle is sub-class. My only thing since their not used for regular play, then they won't be listed as general combat vehicles. Hense why I'm hesitant to giving them classification "combat vehicle". Naval listing are only for the 100 tons and below stuff, not the massive support vehicles that can get into the 100k range. I'll list Argo and the Luftenberg as combatvehicles if you want me too but i think its wrong category for them. Can we least have the Civilian Vehicle Category thou? == Wrangler 17:22, 26 March 2009 (PDT)

I started a discussion at Category talk:Support Vehicles --Scaletail 17:50, 26 March 2009 (PDT)

BattleCorps

I saw your post of the BC forums. Just so you're aware, I did start and wrote a couple of articles: Destiny's Call, Tears of Blood, & Isolation's Weight. --Scaletail 17:09, 25 March 2009 (PDT)

Clan Nova Cat Characters category request

Hi Frabby, is possible for the creation for category for Clan Nova Cat characters? There has been number of exclusive character profiles created for that clan, but there is no category listed yet. Can it be created? I am little fuzzy on what process is to have category created or to whom i need speak to. Thank you! -- Wrangler 07:47, 9 May 2009 (PDT)

Unholy Union

Good job, Frabby, with that article on the BC story. Well-developed article, provides the facts with out removing the impetus for reading the story oneself. I'm really glad to see this type of article making its way here. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 07:22, 31 May 2009 (PDT)

BattleCorps II

I just created a new article called Echoes In the Void, using the How To template for BC stories, which includes the category for BC stories. However, when I went to visit the category, I saw it had been deleted by you. Is there a reason we are not to categorize BC stories? If you could point me to that discussion, if it exists, I'd appreciate it. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 08:30, 18 June 2009 (PDT)

The category is essentially still there. "BattleCorps" was deleted because we have expanded its scope and re-created it as Category:BattleCorps publications, to make it clearer that it also includes other publications with important information, like scenarios or the essay from Ardath Mayhar. I was not aware of this How To template or I would have updated it accordingly.

(I have just looked for the template you mentioned to update it but couldn't find it...) Frabby 10:20, 18 June 2009 (PDT)

I was talking about this one, which I've gone ahead and updated. Thanks for the quick reply. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 11:38, 18 June 2009 (PDT)

Poke-poke

• User_talk:Nicjansma#Other_extension_suggestions: comment requested. :p --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 20:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for Covering My Backside

...on this. Sometimes I forget that not everyone was awake for reading comprehension lessons back in high school. Not only did you catch this, but you explained it much more clearly than I had. I can only imagine how the rumor would have spread out of control in you hadn't stepped in as quickly as you did. (Makes me think of another ribbon award idea...) --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:16, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

MM-1 MiningMech

Hi Frabby, I know have article regaring MM-1 MiningMech, but i suggest to rename it from MiningMech to MM-1 MiningMech since its name conflicts with Dark Age MiningMech. Since someone going to this article, well be confused on which miningMech is what. I plan add the MiningMech to the list of article. However, its going be called MiningMech (Dark Age) since the conflict with your article. -- Wrangler 21:31, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

When I created that article I followed the naming scheme for 'Mech articles, but you are right: MiningMech denotes a type of 'Mechs more than an individual model. MM-1 MiningMech is like naming a BattleMech the BM-1 BattleMech. I'll move the article as per your suggestion and will create a disambiguation page of some sorts under "MiningMech". Frabby 11:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Canon Article Question

Hi Frabby, question. I wrote some months ago regarding to subject of Canon Rumor. Which is another thing they write about. I'm no where near writer you are, do you wish me to remove the article? SOme of newer fiction in the sources book have this un-offical explaination. I'm not sure if your Canon article covers it. Since i'm using crude wording to describe the subject. -- Wrangler 12:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. The Canon Rumour article seems sound, and I see no reason to remove it. It covers essentially the same subject that I included in the Canon article under "optional canon" though. Is "Canon Rumour" an expression that was ever officially used? If so then the "Optional Canon" section needs to be renamed accordingly. I can see two ways to proceed, either the Canon Rumour article is merged into Canon (with a redirect put in its place) or simply a "see also" link from the Canon article. Opinions? Frabby 13:36, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Only reason why i've used the "Canon Rumor", its been used by various individuals in describing certain articles since creation of the Interstellar Players source books. Though, its be described as being rumors that are canon. Meaning, in the game itself urban legends, anything described by being in game rumors are considered Rumor, that are canon. Thus my usage of Canon Rumor. I'm not so hot on using the Optional Canon as description. Since canon rumors are all over the Jihad Hot Spots books and their not necessary optional. I'd think having them merged into one article with your Canon would make sense. I believe name "Canon Rumor" should be retained. -- Wrangler 20:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Question about timeline

Hy I adding in last time some stuff to the timeline and yearlist....I think the organisation structure of the timeline and yearlist sites can be updated...in right date times(i hope it is the right word) and give the site a structure!?!? What are you think or the other members....????

I want to do this work....but it is a lot to do...!!

Doneve 12:14, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

I do agree that the timeline could be improved, yes. And even more yes, it is a huge task. Personally, I have no idea how it could be done, nor have been active on the timeline, so I suggest you raise your point on Talk:Timeline. That should bring the people who are also interested in the timeline to comment and help you. Frabby 14:44, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the answer hopefully I becom some support!!!!

Greetings Doneve 15:49, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Template colors

Hey, Frabby: I will say I like some of the source-specific templates (Nevron, games, etc.), but dislike the color schemes. In my perspective, using the Sarna gold for non-warnings is best. Templates -when used sparingly- will bring the eye directly to themselves. The other colors clash, in my opinion, with the general site layout. And I definitely feel that the red (of fanon) should only be reserved for personal talk-page warnings of the lvl 3 & 4 variety. My recommendation is to set all templates back to either Sarna gold or white. --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

I honestly did not realize there was any Sarna coloring scheme, and even now that you pointed it out to me my feeling is that the Canonicity issue is more important, and should be color-coded. I was going by the old traffic-light scheme: Red for "Bad" aka Non-canon & Fanon (the latter is actually a tad bit "redder"), Yellow for Apocrypha and Green for other (since blue would make the links disappear). But I really do not have a strong opinion on this and could live with it if there is a consensus that the templates should be de-colored. Frabby 14:00, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

To be honest, there is no policy (or even written discussion) about this, that I know of; its just in my early design of the site, I went with what Nic had established (via presence) and designed the warning templates based on my 'pedia experience. As always, I'm open-minded regarding changing my POV, but the hurdle is the clash of the colors. What value do you see in color coding by non-canon source? (As an aside, I've seen the newly revealed policy, but haven't commented because nothing has leapt out as counter to the original intent of the policy. I'm working from the assumption that you've cleaned up the policy to address what we've agreed upon in the past, so haven't yet taken a critical look. I will give you feedback one way or the other.) --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 14:25, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Fan Stories being posted

Hi Frabby, I've spotted someone posting lengthy fan-stories on the boards. Litterly going from Chapter to Chapter. Is that something allowed? It has seperate article pages per chapters. Its pretty lengthy. [1]. -- Wrangler 19:28, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep, it's allowed (see our Policy:Notability and Policy:Canon). The stories are appropriately marked as Fanon. I would prefer pure Fanon content to exclusively go on the BT Fanon Wiki instead, but owing to BTW's origin as a fansite, Fanon is expressly allowed here. Frabby 07:22, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Lost Worlds

Hi Frabby, hope things are well with you. I remember you were on a thread on Classic Battletech forums regarding lost worlds. I recently wrote up profile for the Raventhi's Iron Hand which shows unit had fought on world of Cranston in 2580 which earn them actual name of Magestry Guard (older name). This from the old Field Manual: Periphery. Anyways, Cranston appears to be not listed on Sarna.net. Lookin at Handbook: Major Periphery States, i've noticed that the world indeed shows up maps for 2571 and then in 2750 as part of Free World League. Do you have a project or someone have project where were going add these dead worlds to the Sarna? -- Wrangler 01:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

I have a big thread ongoing over at CBT.com (Unmapped, lost or misnamed systems). Within this wiki, I always wanted to include that data once I get round to finally working on systems/planets proper. But I have not yet started anything. Frabby 10:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Awards

Frabby, I took the liberty of installing an awards board on your main page. Please place it where it best fits your design. Happy New Year! --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 05:00, 1 January 2010 (UTC)