User talk:Doneve

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Archive

User talk:Doneve/Archive1
User talk:Doneve/Archive2 April 2010-January 2011
User talk:Doneve/Archive3 January 2011-December 2011

Image Import Award

As nominated by your colleague ClanWolverine101, I hereby grant you the Image Import award (with silver oak leaf) for the support you've provided in improving others' articles.

Congratulations! --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 17:42, 3 January 2012 (PST)

Tanks ClanWolverine101 and Revanche.--Doneve 09:11, 4 January 2012 (PST)

Problems with login

Hello Doneve, I had problems to login. My username and my password are write correctly. Furthermore the connection to sarna.net is also slow. Have you problems to. Please tell me how I can fix the problem? 79.214.252.14 00:42, 8 January 2012 (PST) - neuling

42nd Dieron Regulars

Hello Doneve, the 42nd is not listed in the War of 3039 Deployment Taple at page 138. With best regards Neuling 11:26, 8 January 2012 (PST)

Ah ok thanks, i want only to make the references a little bit easier.--Doneve 11:30, 8 January 2012 (PST)

Remind me...

How do you make an archive from your talk page? Like you and most others do with the "year" archives at the top of this page? Thanks! ClanWolverine101 13:35, 11 January 2012 (PST)

Point of View

Hello Doneve, I follow the way that Dmon describe. I take a project and worked it partly. With the underconstruction - sub it will make it easier for the others to see that the article is in an partly rework. I anknowledge the way about the references. You can look at my latest references and that the way that the others and you prefer. Over the weekend I accomplished my goal to update all composition histories to the level of 3025. The next step is 3040. This time I will include the (underconstruction) sub, because I will expande the composition with 3050-3054-3059 until 3064 - 3067 - 3079 and in April at least 3085. That shows the development of the individual unit in an better way and I prefer for the Brigade site that we devide the units in former and active, because it give a clear view about the current strength an as compromise I will include only the strength for the different years. like 3054 - 10 regiments , 3085 - 4 regiments. That isn't hugh data but it helps me alot. I will also include by the mercanery commands the faction at the corresponding era which the were working for. I hope that make it helps to understand my work better. Sometimes I rush the projects to fast but I working to improve the quality of my work. Neuling 13:01, 15 January 2012 (PST)

This i a good point for me, sorry for my raw talking, but i fix some thinks on the military pages, i hope you appriciade this, have a good time.--Doneve 13:15, 15 January 2012 (PST)

Hey Neuling, My thoughts on your current project. very good stuff once it is all done if we can set the standard high.

Some Recommendations

• 1/please leave the format of the Brigade articles alone.. Do not fix what is not broken!

• 2/instead of just putting

1st Regiment, 12 Star Guards (Veteran/Reliable)- LCAF

How about

1st Regiment, 12 Star Guards (Veteran/Reliable)

- (Under contract to the LCAF)

To me this makes it a little more ARTICLE than LIST even if it is a very small bit of text

• 3/ Possibly try putting the details of the units commanding officer in the officers section of the article?

Thanks --Dmon 13:23, 15 January 2012 (PST)

Thanks a lot to point out this.--Doneve 14:14, 15 January 2012 (PST)

New Way to work

I hope you see that I incorporate the adcives of you admins in my new work. I will ad a few new brigades to sarna like Tamarind March Militia or Tamar March Militia and Sarna March Militia. I think it is the work worth because they saw some form of combat and we have enougth information to create solide articles for them. Also the Lyranc Alliance lake any form of militia brigade pages. In the field manual they are devided into 10 different commands (Field Manual Lyran Alliance page 108) each with its own unique color and commanding officer. And what do you think about the thought to include also the territorial structure of the FCAF of the DCMS in to the corresponding faction site like

Valexa PDZ (Valexa Command)

Commander: Marshal Vivian Chou

Second-in-Command: Leftenant General Quentin Dratherss

Regular Mech Strength: 1 Regiment, 1 Battalion

Mercenary Mech Strength: 0 Regiments

in shape of a table? Neuling 13:09, 16 January 2012 (PST)

Hy i make some changes on your example, take a look, and give me some response, thanks.--Doneve 13:13, 16 January 2012 (PST)

200px

Valexa PDZ (Valexa Command)

• Commander: Marshal Vivian Chou

• Aide: Leftenant General Quentin Dratherss

- Regular Mech Strength: 1 Regiment, 1 Battalion

Take a look on this link Planets Project Reference Gallery there a lot of maps, we don't need maps on unit and brigade pages, please stard a discussion on the BattleTechWiki:Project Military Commands talk page, before you stard contributions.--Doneve 13:33, 16 January 2012 (PST)

Rulesbox

Afternoon Doneve, about you changing back the rulesbox on the Dieron Regulars... Is there a policy or anything I have not seen? All the rules boxes I see with actual content are a different colour and have subtly different wording that the rulesbox that is in the Help:CreateCommandArticle template. Is the template out of date?

Thanks --Dmon 08:14, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Hy Dmon, Mbear fixed the code of the infobox, to many users had problems to show this right, and he made the code easier, i talk to him to give a statement of the changed code, and fix the policy.--Doneve 08:18, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Ah ok yeah so the box is out of date.. that is rather annoying. Thank you for the help. --Dmon 08:22, 17 January 2012 (PST)

View of work

Hello Doneve, please give me a short response how you consider my latest work and if its meet the common policy. Tnx Neuling 09:48, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Hy it looks good for me, ok some minor changes by the references, you had a typo in it, Objective not Objectiv, but i fix this when i double check the pages.--Doneve 09:59, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Have I made you admins angry?

I read the messages from clanwolverine to Frappy and read to my suprise that he consider my work a mess as a hole. I agree with you that my work was in the past not so good but please regard my work now. I listen to you and change my work like the references. I talk to you more often (If I wrong about it correct me please). My writting style has im proved and please tell me which of my work is considered plagarism and I will take it offline immedatly. I have no idea how I can calm the situation. Please response. Tnx Neuling 08:35, 18 January 2012 (PST)

Please continue this discussion at my talk page, so that it isn't spread over several different pages. Frabby 11:22, 18 January 2012 (PST)

Griffin Section

Hello Doneve, I had response and offer to remove all content which I had publisched at the site I had reworked my "manufacturing places" at the Griffin section and show you what could be a compromise from my side. I hope you are satisfied and in a few hours the purification of the site from my work will start. Neuling 12:50, 18 January 2012 (PST)

At first please take a look on some Manufacturing pages how i handle the references (i take a lot of work on it, and i delete any content that don't match), i know there is a lot of data minining, at first look to the various TRO's if the variant is produced by this manufacuter and planet, and don't throw any in, please double check the sources, make a minor edit, i look on it and give you some response, what is ok and what not, as second we have the mech infobox with a manufacturing row, then you come to the manufacturer page.--Doneve 13:04, 18 January 2012 (PST)

Tnx for advice

Tnx for your help and I corrected the pages.Neuling 11:48, 19 January 2012 (PST)

Thoughts about force structure

Hello Doneve, please take a look at the page of User:Dirk Bastion and give my a response how I could do that project. Neuling 11:48, 19 January 2012 (PST)

There is a statement from myself, take a look.--Doneve 11:50, 19 January 2012 (PST)

Sorry but I couldn't find it. Give me a short review about your statement.Neuling 11:53, 19 January 2012 (PST)

On Dirk Bastion's talk page.--Doneve 11:54, 19 January 2012 (PST)

Hello Doneve, please take alook at the site User:Neuling/Example page‎ and give me your response.TnxNeuling 09:35, 20 January 2012 (PST)

The correct way to work

Hello Doneve, I will only know if the way I work the last few day the correct one or should I change something. I will add Objectiv Raids to the Biblography section on the next round where the entry is missing. Your task is not to chnage my reference to the good. I think how I use it at the moment is the correct one. I wait for your response. Neuling 00:11, 22 January 2012 (PST)

Hy i appriciate your corrections, and you are on the right way, keep up your work on this standard, thanks.--Doneve 02:38, 22 January 2012 (PST)

Tnx

Tnx Doneve that you fixing my broken ref links be for I could do. I hope you are satisfied with the rework of the ISF article over the next days the remaining articles like LOKI and DMI will follow. I finished my example for the force structure but I doens't know where will it be put best placed. Perhaps you have an good idea.Neuling 13:42, 22 January 2012 (PST)

No problem dude, i know ref. notes etc. are not easy to handle, when you need support talk to me, i like your force structure article from the FWLM, i think we set up a link on the Free Worlds League main page, good work.--Doneve 13:52, 22 January 2012 (PST)

ISF

Hello Doneve, I'm at the final phase to end the ISF article please give me a response about it. Neuling 10:51, 23 January 2012 (PST)

Hy really good work, ok some minor grammar and spelling problems, and i miss some links, but it looks very good to me.--Doneve 11:03, 23 January 2012 (PST)

Pictures

Hello Doneve, I could provide you the pictures from the old House Books Steiner, Davion, Kurita and Liao. The Marik book is only black and white. Have you ideas for such material? :) Neuling 11:09, 23 January 2012 (PST)

No, i have only House Davion, House Marik with pics, i searched on the BTforum but i don't found it!!--Doneve 11:14, 23 January 2012 (PST)

I could provide the pictues and you could put them at the right place. What do you think about my offer? Neuling 11:21, 23 January 2012 (PST)

Good deal.--Doneve 11:24, 23 January 2012 (PST)

I had uploaded all available portraits from House Kurita. Tomorrow I can do the same with Dresses/uniform, awards + decorations, ranks, crest of the brigade. Please give me a response of you are satisfied with my work and if it the work worth to upload them.Neuling 14:04, 23 January 2012 (PST)

This was a great hand in hand workship, thanks a lot :).--Doneve 14:06, 23 January 2012 (PST)

I added more pictures to the gallery. I have a question how to build a reference for a picture from sarna.net picture database like [[1]] because I will include those for several pictures. These pictues are better as the existing one? tnx. Neuling 12:12, 24 January 2012 (PST)

I cant do this you must talk to Nic our wiki founder, i cant change the main code of the wiki sorry.--Doneve 12:14, 24 January 2012 (PST)

I know that those content was in the past available from the battletech site but the link doesn't exist anymore. Perhaps someone else have an idea. Neuling 12:20, 24 January 2012 (PST)

Updating Composition section

Tnx again for your support of the updating the composition section of the induvidual commands. Futhermore I have another Question. What do you think about it to include for the conventional infantry articles the weapons stats with picture and for the planets to include for the historical part the battles for the controll of it. Remember over 15 battles were fought alone for the possesion of Hesperus II as an example. Neuling 12:20, 24 January 2012 (PST)

At first i move your FWLM example page to the right place, good work, as second, give me a example page of your question, and stard a discussion, but a good idea.--Doneve 12:29, 24 January 2012 (PST)

Take alook at the Hesperus II site for the battle issue, then you have an impression what I mean. Neuling 13:40, 24 January 2012 (PST)

I have a look on it, but i miss a example page what you do on this ;).--Doneve 15:00, 24 January 2012 (PST)

I get what you mean about the battles being listed on the planet articles Neuling, I hve long thouht we should do this. The infantry units however I do not know what you mean? --Dmon 14:53, 26 January 2012 (PST)

Composition and Example

Hello Doneve, I had a question: In the Field Manual Draconis Combine (FMDC) p.14 2nd column is mentioned that the common mech command is 60 percent upgraded with advanced technology. Can I post it to all DCMS forces from FMDC when not other information is available. I wrote my own example Robinson. Please tell me what do you think. Neuling 12:21, 26 January 2012 (PST)

I think it's critical to post this to all DCMS forces, a lot changed their equipment after the years and during the Jihad some commands where destroyed, dibanded etc. but i think you can leave a note in the various DCMS articles, when you don't found any info in the unit articles or in Field Manual: Draconis Combine and other sources, i hope this helps.--Doneve 12:36, 26 January 2012 (PST)

About Robinson - What is your impression? Neuling 13:13, 26 January 2012 (PST)

Looks good to me, but i don't speak perfect english, i found some grammar and spelling failurs, i think you talk to Revanche or Frabby, their take a look on this.--Doneve 13:26, 26 January 2012 (PST)

Assistance Appreciated Award

Hy Doneve,

I noticed that you've been tidying up odd mistakes in the unit articles I've been writing or updating, and I'd like to give you an Assistance Appreciated Award. I run my work through spellcheckers and the like, but it often takes me two or three read-throughs to notice a problem, and fresh eyes are a big help on keeping the quality of the articles up. So, please have one of these on me:

BrokenMnemonic 08:36, 27 January 2012 (PST)

Thanks a lot .--Doneve 09:02, 27 January 2012 (PST)

Hot Spots + Contracts

Hello Doneve, I have a project for the neart future in mind but need help to bring it in shape. The sourcebook Hot Spots Games Master + Player Volumes contains alot of valuable information but I have no idea how I can bring it on the planet page. What do you think about that? Neuling 13:07, 27 January 2012 (PST)

In the two books, are some content of planet descriptions, you can added to the planet pages, i hope this helps.--Doneve 17:17, 27 January 2012 (PST)

HD maps

Hello Doneve, I can provide maps with a higher resolution but before I make the work I ask if you are agree with the decision or if you have concerns about it. Tnx Neuling 16:32, 27 January 2012 (PST)

Let's work.--Doneve 16:45, 27 January 2012 (PST)

But i have another question, you uploaded some pics from TRO: Prototypes, can you teach me how i cropped out the images correct, and what i must do, iam a liitle bit under skilled to do this thanks.--Doneve 16:45, 27 January 2012 (PST)

I will make it short and understandable. Lets start first I use adobe acrobat professionell in combination with enfocus pitstop (that is an addin for acrobat with vast editorial funtions). I open the document zoom the picture to 100 percent or higher. After that I use enfocus to select the vector objects to remove the background. When that is done I chose Werkzeuge|Tools => Auswahl zoomen => Schnappschuss werkzeug|snap shot tool. Then you have the capability to select an area, left mouse, draw the area ,even over the view border. The entire area is in the clipboard as an picture. I use ulead to correct some minor errors and loaded it up to sarna.net I hope this short tutorial was helpfull.Neuling 17:00, 27 January 2012 (PST)

Great thanks so much, but one question what is Ulead, a seperate programm or add on??--Doneve 17:06, 27 January 2012 (PST)

Ulead Photoimpact is a good programm to edit pictures and have the batch funtion => automated process like 50 pictures should get smaller or the brightness should be increased. Another question to you have you read my project above about the content of the Hot Spots contracts and game master book? Neuling 17:12, 27 January 2012 (PST)

I doesn't get it? Where the Wolverines the allies of the Word of Blake during the Jihad or who else? Tnx for your awnser. Neuling 17:15, 27 January 2012 (PST)

Table modification

Hello Doneve, please take alook at the sandbox and tell me what you think about the modification of the table. I think for my self the new structure make it smoother to read. Neuling 11:29, 29 January 2012 (PST)

Great i have a look on it, really good work, i want to adopt this example, but please start a disscusion on the Manufacturing Center Talk page, i hope the other guys on sarna like this new format, i like it very much.--Doneve 11:36, 29 January 2012 (PST)

Okay, I will start a discussion. Another question to you. Please take a look at the 2nd Benjamin Regulars and the 17th Benjamin Regulars and give me your impression about the formating of the composition section. I had a huge goal to update all military command to the stand of 3079 and for the mercaneries I include the employer of the era (examples The Dioscuri and Miller's Marauders). Tnx again Neuling 11:45, 29 January 2012 (PST)

Ok, take a look on the Dioscuri page, i change a little bit the format.--Doneve 11:50, 29 January 2012 (PST)

Tnx for the little rework and your overall impression about the 3067 sections? Neuling 11:53, 29 January 2012 (PST)

Maps

Doneve, please take alook at the maps 50px+ and give me your critical view if it enough or should those picture are better done.Neuling 14:14, 29 January 2012 (PST)

Regional Structure LCAF

Hello Doneve, please take alook and give me your impression. When the current format is okay I will include the structure of the remaining eras like 3050/3054/3062/3067 for better understanding. Neuling 10:49, 30 January 2012 (PST)

Looks good to me, but i miss some links on the page.--Doneve 10:50, 30 January 2012 (PST)

I will include links later. And give me a hand because I had no clue where the article link is best placed?Neuling 10:54, 30 January 2012 (PST)

Hm this is a good question, i don't know at the moment, i talk to you when i have a idea, talk to CW or Revanche, what the guys think.--Doneve 10:57, 30 January 2012 (PST)

Shadowrun and similar

So, I assume you put up the article for deletion because you want to change all the other articles that link to it with links to Wikipedia? Is there a policy for that, because that's not the only one of its kind (most don't even go to an external reference page, they just redlink). --Dirk Bastion 23:29, 30 January 2012 (PST)

Explanation

That is easy to explain. The rank insignia which I uploaded for my article are those are from 3025 and take alook at the insignas of field manual federated suns p. 99 or handbook house davion p.144 they are different. My article is about the rank structur of the AFFS in 3025. Neuling 12:12, 31 January 2012 (PST)

You have the same images also in the link that i provided you on your talk page.--Doneve 12:14, 31 January 2012 (PST)

When I compare the other ranks to I see clear differents. The ranks changed over the time. Neuling 12:22, 31 January 2012 (PST)

Yes the ranks changed, but Mbear create all various ranks, you can see the references on the aprobiated pages, there is no need to uploade new images, i think you set up a talk to Mbear, and he gives you the same response.--Doneve 12:30, 31 January 2012 (PST)

I had finished my article. I will ask Mbear if he could provide the same ranks in better quality (not that from 3062). And I will also create a rank table for the ranks of 3062 because some of the ranks were created as an result of the Federated Commonwealth and the responsibility in some cases changed to.Neuling 12:46, 31 January 2012 (PST)

Yes talk to Mbear.--Doneve 12:48, 31 January 2012 (PST)

What are you thinking so fare about the article (regardless of the pictures)? Neuling 12:49, 31 January 2012 (PST)

I don't know i think a lot merged with the existing rank pages from Mbear, but this is my opinion.--Doneve 12:56, 31 January 2012 (PST)

Change of formating?

Hello Doneve, why have you changed my formating of the 8th Dieron Regulars? I regard the format which I chosed better to read. The format that you had select is for me a backstep.Neuling 08:57, 2 February 2012 (PST)

I actually like Doneves format better. It looks a little cleaner in my opinion. --Dmon 09:05, 2 February 2012 (PST)

I agree with Dmon, i looks cleaner and is better to read, is my opinion, take a look on BM's SLDF Brigade pages.--Doneve 09:11, 2 February 2012 (PST)

I have started a discussion about it on the Project Military Commands page --Dmon 09:24, 2 February 2012 (PST)

Image request

Morning, Doneve: could you update the The Wars of Reaving image for me? --Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 07:40, 3 February 2012 (PST)

Compromise

I thought about our issue an I think I find a good compromise. Here an example of the new format:

20th Arcturan Guards RCT (1 Regiment/Regular/Reliable)

• CO: Leutnant-General Alden Gray
  

Note: Clantechnology: 5 percent | Advanced IS technology: 60 percent | Omnis: 10 percent

20th Arcturan Guards Aerospace Brigade (2 Wings/Regular/Reliable)

• CO: Kaptain: Rebecca Wampole
  

Note: Advanced IS technology: 75 percent | Omnis: 10 percent

20th Arcturan Guards Armor Brigade (2 Regiments/Veteran/Reliable)

• CO: Colonel Nurudeen Amzel
  

Note: Advanced IS technology: 55 percent

20th Arcturan Guards Infantry Brigade (5 Regiments/Regular/Reliable)

• CO: Colonel Payne D'Aquisto

when we use (
) then we need not -Note. WHat do you think?Neuling 08:55, 3 February 2012 (PST)

I set up a talk to Revanche our policy writer and wait for his response, then i know more, and give you a response.--Doneve 08:59, 3 February 2012 (PST)

Apology

Hello Doneve, I talked to you to harsh in the last comments in the BattleTechWiki talk:Project Military Commands‎. I wrote to Revanche. I will wait what he think about that. About the composition section of the units article. Can you agree when I doesn't change you work and I add only my content with my compromise format at the subsection of 3067? Neuling 09:53, 3 February 2012 (PST)

No problem.--Doneve 10:16, 3 February 2012 (PST)

Officer

Hello Doneve, take a look at page 52 House Steiner (The Lyran Commonwealth) first column. In the text is written that the overall commander was first Colonel Raymond Hempsted (former CO of the Stealths) and later Marcus Steiner. Both had authority over the Lyran Regulars. Neuling 09:33, 4 February 2012 (PST)

Ah ok thanks, i see it.--Doneve 09:55, 4 February 2012 (PST)

Operation Götterdämmerung

Hello Doneve, please take a look at Operation: Götterdämmerung and give me a review about the quality. I used a spell checker and I hope that fewer errors are include. When you agree with the format I will rework the other articles the same way to increase the quality of my articles. I had a question: During Anton's Marik Revolt he used 8 commands (1st - 8th Ducal Guard) how can I create an article about them. I know the exact composition, where they fought, the date of formation, the quality/loyalty rating but not the CO's. I had in mind to write first a short review for the entire brigade and then to include the details in the commands article itself. Neuling 10:30, 4 February 2012 (PST)

At first it looks at the moment good to me, but i think we don't need the [The Invasion had 3 parts] section, all listed units are found on the Wave 1 ect. sections. As second we had a Ducal Guard page later renamed to Oriente Ducal Guard and attached to the Fusiliers of Oriente, i think you create at first a Ducal Guard Brigade page for the overview and later regimental pages.--Doneve 10:40, 4 February 2012 (PST)

Typo

Hello Doneve, I wrote the planet Kornephoros correct.

Reference

• NAIS The Fourth Succession War Military Atlas Volume 1 p. 45 + 61 (first column)
• NAIS The Fourth Succession War Military Atlas Volume 2 p. 71

In the NAIS Atlases reference is a typo and the planet is misspellt, i hope this helps.--Doneve 10:40, 4 February 2012 (PST)

Opinions

Hello Doneve, please take a look at User:Neuling/Lyran Regional Militias and tell me your impression. Tnx Neuling 06:51, 5 February 2012 (PST)

Looks good to me, i added some links and we don't bold the militia units.--Doneve 07:17, 5 February 2012 (PST)

Question

Hello Doneve, I have found an interesting formating for the mech designs (No-Dachi). In my opinion it looks better as the common format. I ask you as an admin if we could use it througth the entire web side as new standard? Neuling 12:16, 5 February 2012 (PST)

I must disagree, the Project BattleMech policy is writen by Scaletail, i see no chance to change this, talk to Scaletail what he think about, oh i forgot read the Project BattleMech page we don't bold variant.--Doneve 12:42, 5 February 2012 (PST)

I will ask Scaletail and the formating wasn't done by me. You can verify that over the history of the site. Neuling 12:44, 5 February 2012 (PST)

Ailette typo in picture file

Hi Doneve, can you do me a favor? I messed up on the spelling of a exskeleton picture for the Ailette. I stupidly named it File:Ailetto.jpg. Can you rename it to Ailette please? -- Wrangler 14:33, 5 February 2012 (PST)

2596

Hy Doneve,

I noticed we're both adding 2596 owner citations to Inner Sphere planets based on the maps on p. 158-159 of Historical: Reunification War. Would you be happy to work around clockwise from the Rim Worlds Republic through the Lyran Commonwealth and Draconis Combine, while I work anti-clockwise from the Free Worlds League through the Capellan Confederation and the Federated Suns? My thinking is that way, we don't end up spending time checking the same worlds I've already done half or two thirds of the Terran Hegemony worlds, plus all the Outworlds Alliance worlds and almost all of the Magistracy of Canopus worlds. BrokenMnemonic 05:49, 7 February 2012 (PST)

Okidoki, the deal is perfect, , then we have done the Reunification Map owner history.--Doneve 06:10, 7 February 2012 (PST)

Well... we won't quite have done it. There are also smaller maps at various dates dotted throughout Historical: Reunification War that show areas as at the deployment of troops. The one on page 94 shows where the SLDF and MAF units were in 2577 - so I've updated all the worlds shown on that map. I've also done the same for the map on page 105(?) that shows where the SLDF and OAM units were. There's a map for the SLDF and the Rim Worlds military as well, and another for the SLDF and the Taurian Defense Force, but as I haven't been through those chapters yet, I've not updated the worlds. There aren't a huge number of differences between the 2571 Handbook maps, the various Reunification War campaign maps and the 2596 map... but there are some. Just enough to catch me out, in fact! BrokenMnemonic 06:24, 7 February 2012 (PST)

Good catch, i finish at first the 2596 map, where we talk on the top, then we can go to the next step, i stay on hospital and have much time, when iam done with the clockwise planets i talk to you.--Doneve 06:33, 7 February 2012 (PST)

I didn't catch the part about you being in hospital when I first read this - I hope you're making a swift recovery from whatever ails you? BrokenMnemonic 10:00, 13 February 2012 (PST)

alternative

Hello Doneve, I have though about the formating of the variants at Mech pages. That is the result of my work User:Neuling/Variant Formatting‎. I think with the new structure it is easer to read and the common user can jump to the variant directly. WHat do you think? Neuling 11:43, 7 February 2012 (PST)

Hy Neuling talk to Scaletail or Revanche, i don't want to involve in this critical change of the 'Mech pages, sorry.--Doneve 11:46, 7 February 2012 (PST)

awnser

Hello Doneve, I learned from my mistakes and ask before I start projects which could be turn into a nightmare for me. I ask you and you tell me that you won't be involved. You tell me, to ask Revanche and that have I done. I will wait. You and I have different estetical opinions. That is good but I will always argue when I'm convinced that thinks can be better. Neuling 15:25, 7 February 2012 (PST)

No comment, do what you do.--Doneve 15:37, 7 February 2012 (PST)

request

Hello Doneve, I know we had in the past great difference how to incoporate information at sarna.net. Over the last several weeks I try to change my way to work. I discover large gaps for the component sections and entire manufcaturing thematic to. I ask the lead developer a question about the manufacturing of components on a planet where the machines are built but at the moment I get no answer. My suggestion is every part of a machine is local produced until no other information's is available. Furthermore to know the planet (state), the manufacturer and the machine which use the technology is interesting for many users. I offer is that I will include all available information over the next several months step by step to build a database. Can we cooperate? Neuling 05:52, 11 February 2012 (PST)

Yeah we can cooperate, i do this many month before you jump on the boat, this by the Fusion Engines with several brands, and Jump Jets and Communications System, i fix little thinks you have added, then we have on standard.--Doneve 06:54, 11 February 2012 (PST)

I have an other idea how we can split the work.First I will put one the corresponding component sites the entries for all desings for example Technical Readout: 3050. Then you can pick up the information and put it on the manufacturing site. I hope my explanation was understandable.Neuling 11:03, 11 February 2012 (PST)

Can you give me a example page, i think this helps, thanks--Doneve 11:05, 11 February 2012 (PST)

Type	Used by	Manufacturer	Planet	Reference
CarboStrand 30 Weight AS	CRK 5003-2 Katana (Crockett)	Blankenburg Technologies	Soul
Durallex Special Heavy with CASE	AS7-KAtlas	Yori Mech Works	Na'ir
Longanecker PlastiSteel	BNC-5S Banshee	Defiance Industries	Hesperus II
Maximillian 300	IMP-3E Imp	GM Blackwell of Outreach	Outreach
New Samarkand Royal Ferro-Fibrous with CASE	MAL-1R Mauler	Luthien Armor Works	Luthien
Riese-350	SHG-2F Shogun	Mitchell Vehicles	Graham IV
Riese-456	STK-5M Stalker	Irian BattleMechs Unlimited	Shiro III
Starshield Special	CP11-A Cyclops	Stormvanger Assemblies Unlimited	Caph
Starshield Special-b with CASE	ANH-2A Annihilator	Arc-Royal MechWorks	Arc-Royal
Valiant Lamellor	MAD-5A Marauder II	General Motors/Blackwell Industries	New Valencia

In one point i dissagre with you i want to have a header like this example, and i provide this table format, is this ok for you, i involved some work on the Jump Jets and Communications System pages and want we work the same way.

Achernar Electronics HICK-3

Fluff needed.

Manufactured on	Manufactured by	Typically used in	References
New Avalon	Achernar BattleMechs	HMH-3D Hammerhands

--Doneve 11:28, 11 February 2012 (PST)

Model	Manufactured on	Manufactured by	Typically used in	References
Angst Clear Channel 3	Hesperus II	Defiance Industries	BNC-5S Banshee
Dalban Micronics	New Valencia	General Motors/Blackwell Industries	MAD-5A Marauder II
Garret T19-G	Arc-Royal	Arc-Royal MechWorks	ANH-2A Annihilator
GRPNTR Groundpainter5	Soul	Blankenburg Technologies	CRK 5003-2 Katana (Crockett)
HartfordCo COM 4000	Graham IV	Mitchell Vehicles	SHG-2F Shogun
Irian E.A.R.	Shiro III	Irian BattleMechs Unlimited	STK-5M Stalker
Olmstead 840 with SatNav Module	Caph	Stormvanger Assemblies Unlimited	CP11-A Cyclops
Pauley-Bronson Z	Outreach	GM Blackwell of Outreach	IMP-3E Imp
Sipher Security Plus	Na'ir	Yori Mech Works	AS7-KAtlas
Sipher Security Plus	Luthien	Luthien Armor Works	MAL-1R Mauler

That is my compromise to you. I see the problem by your format we have no information for the specific model. Another idea could be that we use for the different brands the format because we have more information about the manufacturer like the mydron series for example. Neuling

Ok but at this time please don't use this format on the Fusion Engine, Communications System and Jump Jets pages, i don't want to destroy the format at this time, you can use it for the other components, i think this is a good compromise, i will change or fix the table format in the next weeks, and please take a look on the Jump Jet's brand pages there looks really good.--Doneve 11:46, 11 February 2012 (PST)

I accept your offer and will put information about Fusion Engine, Communications System and Jump Jets on a sub page of my user page. Furthermore we can use both systems side by side. First yours on the brand pages and my format on the component page with you header only the extension model/type for an overview. What do you think about my tougths.Neuling 12:00, 11 February 2012 (PST)

Great then i can pick up some infos from your supp pages, good deal.--Doneve 12:03, 11 February 2012 (PST)

progress

Hello Doneve, take a look at User:Neuling/Component Updates‎ and you can see all components from tro 3050 original (IS Mechs). The weapons will take some time but you can be sure that the next waves are waiting to be put online in the next time. Neuling 10:05, 12 February 2012 (PST) User:Neuling/Component Updates‎;

Yeah, great work, when i use your page and put it to the various component pages i delete the row on your updates pages.--Doneve 10:11, 12 February 2012 (PST)

I'm finished with the work for tro 3050. Please don't delete the content you add to the various size make the content bold for me because then I know what was used and what not. Tnx and I hope you are satisfied with my work. Neuling 12:20, 12 February 2012 (PST)

No problem i don't delete content from your page, i like your work.--Doneve 12:22, 12 February 2012 (PST)

Can you imagine what we have done when all information for the first time is put online? Neuling 12:25, 12 February 2012 (PST)

Oh yes, it's a hercules task and we can proud to do this on sarna.--Doneve 12:29, 12 February 2012 (PST)

Fusion Engines

I have found a interesting table for you. It is from Citytech 2nd Edidion. I hope you can use it in some way.Take a look at my component sub page.Neuling

Ok, i se your example, i must think about this and give then some response.--Doneve 13:27, 12 February 2012 (PST)

Outstanding Member of the Year Award

Dude, you're a legend! From blocked to the site's second highest award in just over two years is phenomenal and quick well shows the success story for someone who doesn't even speak the site's primary language naturally. And you've got 4.8x the 2nd most active user's count! I don't think anyone would argue that they're 99% (or higher) quality edits. You're my hero. Congratulations and thanks.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 19:48, 12 February 2012 (PST)

Thanks Revanche, iam proud to be a part of the wiki.--Doneve 06:44, 13 February 2012 (PST)

Congrats! ClanWolverine101 19:52, 13 February 2012 (PST)

Maps

Hello Doneve, I hope you could use some of my informations from the components so fare. I had an idea and created a modified map. . Please tell me what you are thinking about it? Neuling 09:25, 13 February 2012 (PST)

The best way is you talk to BrokenMnemonic our Planet Cartographer.--Doneve 09:36, 13 February 2012 (PST)

Lyran Commonwealth: 2341 map

Hy Doneve,

Øystein has just confirmed that the map of the Lyran Commonwealth in 2341 in Handbook: House Steiner has an error on it, after I questioned him regarding the Terran Hegemony/Free Worlds League border. That means you and I may need to change some dates in the planet articles, or add a note to a fair number of planet entries, unless a new map comes out sometime. BrokenMnemonic 06:27, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Ok, more work to do, but at first i finish the Lyran Commonwealth/Draconis Combine owner history from the Historica: Reunification War 2596 Map, and i think we leave a note section to the wrong worlds.--Doneve 07:08, 14 February 2012 (PST)

More Components

I have complete the components for the clan machines from tro 3085 User:Neuling/TRO 3085 - Components when you need something special let me know. Neuling 11:02, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Map project

I think the map project is for the near future because without cooperation its an extraordinary task for one person. Neuling 13:48, 14 February 2012 (PST)

I know but, i update at first all manufacturing centers by the new table format and make some cleanups, as second concentrate you on one huge project step by step, i saw the other projects where you starded of the last month and last year, but not one project is finished etc. this is not critism of your work here, but you want to much in short time, and this is the problem why you don't match our wiki standard, to many caps on older pages, to many typos etc., i hope you see this as a positive critical talk.--Doneve 13:56, 14 February 2012 (PST)

I think I had done a good job with Operation Götterdämmerung so fare. Operation revival is also near to the end. I know that I started to many things at the same time but that is over I hope. A few projects can be updated on small scale like the composition of the commands. Neuling 14:18, 14 February 2012 (PST)

Recent Changes slowdown

Hey Doneve, you had mentioned before that Recent Changes was slower with the recent MediaWiki upgrade. I wasn't able to see this, but Revanche found that it happened when he was running IE7 or on a mobile browser. In that case, I see the problem as well. It looks like it's caused by enabling "Use enhanced Recent Changes" in your Preferences. If you're using an older browser, and you turn that option off, it should work a bit better for you. Nicjansma 14:57, 16 February 2012 (PST)

Hy Nic, the problem is fixed, i used the newst version of the FireFox browser and had no trouble in last time, thanks for your response.--Doneve 15:12, 16 February 2012 (PST)

Components and Variants

Hello Doneve, I see a problem by the format of the existing component page because the components are mentioned in usage by a special machine not the specific variant. The King Crab KGC-0000 carries 2 AC/20 as main weapons and the KGC-010 variant has 2 LB-x 10 AC as main weapon. I will add the specific variants when I finished my upload off all components from the Technical Readouts.Neuling 07:49, 17 February 2012 (PST)

Ok, no problem.--Doneve 07:51, 17 February 2012 (PST)

Explanation

Hello Doneve, you are right about the information but I was talking about a specific region not singular manufacturers. When you take for example the Federation of Skye which has many industries and other regions with only a few factories. I will show with the maps only an overview about the manufacturers and the main products like mechs, fighter, vehicles drop ships and so on. Like the maps in the objective series and additional the links to the manufacturers and their main products.Neuling 14:37, 17 February 2012 (PST)

Ok lett me see a example!--Doneve 14:42, 17 February 2012 (PST)

Questions

Hello Doneve, I talked to several user and you where most times the first how anwsers on such a question. When you read a question which a posted to other users like you, you must not response and then I will only talk to the specific user. Neuling 22:52, 17 February 2012 (PST)

Deletion?

Hello Doneve, why have you delete my message on the userpage of BrokenMnemonic‎? Neuling 12:03, 18 February 2012 (PST)

I don't deleted your message, i talk at the same time and had a talk conflict, i don't removed your talk.--Doneve 12:05, 18 February 2012 (PST)

Okay, I see it was an accident. I could save my message without the warning that the post was a conflict to yours. That is strange. I will repost my message. Neuling 12:09, 18 February 2012 (PST)

Yeah, guys: 'conflicts' can be tricky. Usually, the person seeing the message must scroll to the bottom of the screen, cut & paste their original entry and then paste it in the edit field in the top of the page. (Hard to do when on a mobile...trust me.)--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 12:49, 19 February 2012 (PST)

Thanks, Lol, fat fingers on the mobile, greetings.--Doneve 12:53, 19 February 2012 (PST)

Genoa

Hy Doneve,

I'm pottering through some of the old sourcebook adding early history details on worlds and I hit a contradiction with the world of Genoa that I can't check for myself because I'm at work. Frustratingly, while I've got access to most of the sourcebooks here, my electronic copy of the Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130) is only available at home until CGL put the download back up on their website. Could I ask a favour? Could you possibly check your copy and tell me if the statement here on the planet article for Genoa is accurate regarding the founding date? According to the article here, Genoa was founded in 2300 by colonists from Italy - which disagrees with the fact that Genoa is shown on the Free Worlds League founding map of 2271 as being a settled system, as well as with references in House Liao (The Capellan Confederation) that Cynthiana was trading actively with Zurich, Genoa and Zion by 2202. I know, I could just wait until I get home and look it up, but... BrokenMnemonic 00:29, 20 February 2012 (PST)

Ok, in Dark Age: Republic Worlds (3130), p. 101 is mentiont in [2300] the planet is settelt and in 2315 the planet became a member of the Liao Protectorate, i hope this helps.--Doneve 02:01, 20 February 2012 (PST)

That does help, thank you - I've got to go and ask another question on the Ask The Writers forum now. They're going to be sick of me before long at the rate I'm asking questions! BrokenMnemonic 02:13, 20 February 2012 (PST)

Clean Up

Hello Doneve, tell me the reason why you have put the clean up at the command van page. The spell checker says the text is okay and there are no more information's available. Should you have additional information please put it to the article. Tnx Neuling 12:19, 21 February 2012 (PST)

The article must cleand up, i miss some links and correct category links, also i added the cleanup template, you dont match the wiki standard.--Doneve 12:30, 21 February 2012 (PST)

Assistance Appreciated Award, 4th ribbon

Hey, Doneve, catching a newcomer who may need help but doesn't know who to ask is critical to keeping them here. Bedecked as you are in similar awards, I still thought your assistance to Rebs on Elizabeth Hazen deserved recognition:

Thanks for helping the newbies, Doneve.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 09:22, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Thanks Rev, i have an eye of newbies and want to helpout.--Doneve 09:27, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Maps

Hello Doneve, I will follow your talk and I have a question about the topic how can I upload a better version without creating a duplicate? The map is increased an better to read what you see at the file is only a smaller version of the original picture. The problem for the Hanseatic League is the distances between the planets are to large to make a smaller version of the map.Neuling 11:46, 24 February 2012 (PST)

I know, you must only add a new file name, it's the same way when you uploade a new image, when you uploaded a better version of a duplicate, we added the deletion tag to the poorer version and deleted then.--Doneve 11:50, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Agreed and Tnx. Neuling 11:51, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Planets

Well... we now have 3,014 registered planets. Think we caught them all yet? BrokenMnemonic 13:23, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Really! , i wait for [Historical: Liberation of Terra, Vol I] and i don't checked the Field Manual: 3085 maps, i hope we become some surprises.--Doneve 13:28, 24 February 2012 (PST)

There's also Handbook: House Kurita, too - based on my work on the other Handbooks, I think we can expect to see 30+ new Star League era Combine worlds appearing on the maps in that, too. And I just realised reading through Handbook: House Liao that they've inadvertantly given me the names of four of the Chesterton Trade Federation worlds BrokenMnemonic 13:32, 24 February 2012 (PST)

I miss the Collen System from War of Reaving. The Blood Spirit settle two planets (Honor + Haven Wars of Reaving p.233 + 234).Neuling 13:54, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Thanks i take a look on the source and talk then to BM.--Doneve 13:56, 24 February 2012 (PST)

3,014? Are you counting Planets in the same System like the Tanite Worlds and the Planets of Colleen?-Volt 16:03, 28 February 2012 (PST)

No, i have this on my list, but if you want to create this system articles i appriciate this.--Doneve 16:11, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Um, I think I'd best leave article writing to the experts.-Volt 16:22, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Okidoki, i follow at first my Jihad: Final Reckoning map project and finish the Magistracy of Canopus, and the Taurian Concordat, and then take my view on the Wars of Reaving.--Doneve 16:37, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Planets

Is the way how I upload now the pictures right or not and another question is: is the quality good enougth? Tnx Neuling 14:36, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Yes this is the right way to upload, the quality looks good to me, but talk to BM, he can help you to improve your planet images.--Doneve 14:40, 24 February 2012 (PST)

Doneve, I finish my first batch of maps with their neighbors. I will only know if that the right way because BrokenMnemonic hasn't answer me.Neuling 05:40, 25 February 2012 (PST)

Looks very good to me, good job.--Doneve 05:42, 25 February 2012 (PST)

I will make the upload slowly only 10 to 20 planet in a row to meet the quality standards.Neuling 05:44, 25 February 2012 (PST)

Have you an idea

Hello Doneve, I think you notice my uploads in the last time. My problem is to get an overview which planet is updated with such a map and which worlds need the update. By over 3,000 planets it will be very confusing for me. Any thoughts about it? Neuling 11:17, 25 February 2012 (PST)

Hm this is very difficult, at first you can update the minor periphery powers, but you must suggest and double check maps, then some powers change their worlds, also don't work from one map, you must check all maps you have on hand if the planet is showed in the timeframe you want to use, the best way is you set up a new talk to BM, he has a method to overlay some maps how to see if the planets of the various maps match the same coordinate, he creates some maps, when you take a look on the BattleTechWiki:Project Planets/Planet Overhaul/Faction Map Gallery gallery, and wait for his response, i hope this helps.--Doneve 11:54, 25 February 2012 (PST)

Can you tell me whether there is an overview with all planets, because I can used it for my own purpose to mark the planet which are updated. I will use sofar the maps from the era of 3067. The Periphery power increased and decreased by their member worlds and under such conditions I will use the map of the reference as a source to create the maps. Neuling 12:15, 25 February 2012 (PST)

Go to the left of the nav bar, to the background bar you found the Planets, this is all.--Doneve 12:19, 25 February 2012 (PST)

Solution for maps

Hello Doneve, I found a good solution for the planets with various owners. I will upload examples of the territory for the first owner and then the second owner in form of a gallery. I think that is an acceptable way. Furthermore I will use the Planets category to create a personal table for office and to mark all planets which are updated a how have different owners over the time. Possible I can finish the Taurian Concordat and then will concentrate on the smaller periphery powers. Neuling 02:56, 26 February 2012 (PST)

McCormack's Fusiliers

Hey, Doneve: I've got a research project for you. Would you check up on McCormack's Fusiliers for me? I've seen them twice now. Chronologically, they conducted a raid in 2372 and then were formed in 2377. If you could confirm these dates, I'd appreciate it. It might need settling with the writers at the BT forums.--Revanche ^{(talk|contribs)} 13:36, 27 February 2012 (PST)

Okidoki, i stard my search, and talk then to you.--Doneve 13:39, 27 February 2012 (PST)

I had a look at the Northwind Highlanders scenario pack before going to bed last night (I'm sad that way) and that also says 2377. It also clarifies the mercenary status of the Highlander regiments during those years, which explains why units from Northwind, a Terran Hegemony world in the 2360s, were fighting for the Capellan Confederation. BrokenMnemonic 23:57, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Coloring of map

Tnx for your message Doneve. I'm against to coloring my maps because it will increase the file size and second the work for hundreds of pictures are to big for my taste. My opinion is to coloring the maps of the states for the different eras it is easier to do. Neuling 10:36, 28 February 2012 (PST)

What to big for you , but i understand you.--Doneve 10:40, 28 February 2012 (PST)

Project Planets Template

Hy Doneve,

With Neuling getting very enthusiastic about nearest neighbours maps and Rev still being busy, I thought I should try and be useful and update the general project planets template to reflect the outcome of all of the conversations scattered around the various talk pages, particularly after I spent an hour trying to work out which of the various talk pages I remembered various comments from.

I've put a mockup of the template in a sub page here: User:BrokenMnemonic/Planet_Ovehaul_Template. Can you do me a favour and take a look at it please? I'd like to check that it matches your understanding of where we are after all the discussions. If it does, then I'll see if I can it posted somewhere on the Project Planets area for discussion so that we can hopefully get started on upgrading all the planets to the new format. BrokenMnemonic 02:44, 29 February 2012 (PST)

Hy it looks good to me, and i understand all.--Doneve 03:43, 29 February 2012 (PST)

Delta Regiment Emblem

Hey Doneve - Got a Wolf's Dragoons Delta Regiment Insignia you can upload? Thanks! ClanWolverine101 12:08, 29 February 2012 (PST)

I see Neuling do this.--Doneve 12:18, 29 February 2012 (PST)

Thank You

Thank you for directing me to some good sources, that was awesome of you. Anyway, I took my time and read Op Klondike nice and slow like I love to do with good literature of any kind. I'm ready to start rolling on the biographies. Anyway, check out Elizabeth Hazen, I finished it nicely with the info from that book. If there are a lot of red links in there don't worry about them, I plan of doing something for all of them :) Glad to be here and thank you again for the encouragement. Rebs 20:41, 3 March 2012 (PST)

Glad i can help you, please keep up your good writing .--Doneve 23:09, 3 March 2012 (PST)

Also thanks for helping me out with the references and cites. Sometimes I can make it work, and other times it's pure frustration, lol. Rebs 13:18, 4 March 2012 (PST)